Hypothetical Darren McFadden thread

[Toruk_Makto]

When you sign a free agent, you are acquiring him.

Try and keep up with the others.

Well yes....but when you put Adrian and DMac in the same sentence and talk about acquisition....you could stand to be more clear.

Only a fool would be opposed to bringing in Dmac on the cheap.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No one player gets "all" the credit or blame but the QB influences the outcome of games more than any other player on a team. Do you think Seattle would be where they are had Russell Wilson not come along? The QB is the only player on a team that's given a W/L record. If the Texans had an efficient QB they would be in the playoff hunt right now and Gary Kubiak would still be their HC would you agree or do you disagree?

Sure the QB is the most important position in football.

But as a whole a unit...as in an offensive unit or defensive unit....should be given credit.

Unless of course Big Ben suddenly is a horrible qb? Or Alex Smith is a great one?

The tendency to give QBs too much claim and blame is football caterted to the lowest common denominator and leds to statements like...

"A QB is the captain of the ship they get most of the credit and blame for their teams success or lack there of."

Why? Because in my book Romo does NOT get most of the blame for this team's lack of success.

 

[Risen Star]

Well yes....but when you put Adrian and DMac in the same sentence and talk about acquisition....you could stand to be more clear.

Only a fool would be opposed to bringing in Dmac on the cheap.

I used the term acquire because I meant in any way. I'm not interested in McFadden as a free agent. I'm not interested in Peterson in a trade.

Acquire. Covers all bases.

I walked you through this one. You're on your own from now on.

 

[KJJ]

Sure the QB is the most important position in football.

But as a whole a unit...as in an offensive unit or defensive unit....should be given credit.

Unless of course Big Ben suddenly is a horrible qb? Or Alex Smith is a great one?

The tendency to give QBs too much claim and blame is football caterted to the lowest common denominator and leds to statements like...

"A QB is the captain of the ship they get most of the credit and blame for their teams success or lack there of."

Why? Because in my book Romo does NOT get most of the blame for this team's lack of success.

A team that wins gets credit but all teams that win have QB's who are playing a huge part in why they're winning. The Vikings are the only team that's had success with average to bad QB play due to the great production of AP. As for Roethlisberger there's been speculation he wants to be traded so there's clearly some issues in Pittsburgh with him and Haley. Ben certainly hasn't played great this season he has 15 turnovers in 12 games but the Steelers as a whole have issues. As for Alex Smith he's a game manager who can't win games but doesn't lose many. His inability to win games is why SF traded him. KC is facing the same problem SF faced with Smith. He's good if you can get a lead and allow him to manage the game but if you get behind by 2 scores he can't bring you back. KC traded for him to bring some stability to their QB position because he doesn't turn the ball over a lot but eventually they'll be looking for a more productive playmaker at the position who can win games.

The QB touches the ball on every offensive snap they're singled out for league and SB MVP awards more than any other position because of how much they influence the outcome of games. The tendency to give QB's too much credit and too much of the blame is the nature of the position. Just look at the credit and blame head coaches get and they never touch the football. Bill Belichick was just another HC until Tom Brady came along. The QB can make or break a team and a HC. Denver was an 8-8 team until Manning came along. Both Decker and D Thomas have become a force at receiver with Manning at QB. The Packers are a different team without Rodgers. They were 5-2 with him and haven't won a game since he went out.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I used the term acquire because I meant in any way. I'm not interested in McFadden as a free agent. I'm not interested in Peterson in a trade.

Acquire. Covers all bases.

I walked you through this one. You're on your own from now on.

Just glad you're not the GM.

Larry Warford would be playing Safety for us.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A team that wins gets credit but all teams that win have QB's who are playing a huge part in why they're winning. The Vikings are the only team that's had success with average to bad QB play due to the great production of AP. As for Roethlisberger there's been speculation he wants to be traded so there's clearly some issues in Pittsburgh with him and Haley. Ben certainly hasn't played great this season he has 15 turnovers in 12 games but the Steelers as a whole have issues. As for Alex Smith he's a game manager who can't win games but doesn't lose many. His inability to win games is why SF traded him. KC is facing the same problem SF faced with Smith. He's good if you can get a lead and allow him to manage the game but if you get behind by 2 scores he can't bring you back. KC traded for him to bring some stability to their QB position because he doesn't turn the ball over a lot but eventually they'll be looking for a more productive playmaker at the position who can win games.

The QB touches the ball on every offensive snap they're singled out for league and SB MVP awards more than any other position because of how much they influence the outcome of games. The tendency to give QB's too much credit and too much of the blame is the nature of the position. Just look at the credit and blame head coaches get and they never touch the football. Bill Belichick was just another HC until Tom Brady came along. The QB can make or break a team and a HC. Denver was an 8-8 team until Manning came along. Both Decker and D Thomas have become a force at receiver with Manning at QB. The Packers are a different team without Rodgers. They were 5-2 with him and haven't won a game since he went out.

Again....I understand why the media puts so much blame and credit on QBs....that doesn't mean they lack nuiance and completely miss the forest for the trees....and it often leads to the demonification of very good QBs...you know...like Romo.

 

[KJJ]

Again....I understand why the media puts so much blame and credit on QBs....that doesn't mean they lack nuiance and completely miss the forest for the trees....and it often leads to the demonification of very good QBs...you know...like Romo.

So the media which includes former NFL players, coaches and GM's are wrong and FANS like you know better? Romo is a very good QB that can't be argued but the fact is he hasn't been very good in the games that matter most.

 

[KJJ]

Even with Marshawn Lynch in beast mode a few years ago Seattle was a 7-9 team. Russell Wilson has turned the Seahawks into a great team that's probably going to end up in the SB this season. Take him out of the lineup and throw Tarvaris Jackson in there and see what kind of team they have. Pete Carroll has to in dreamland right now.

 

[theSHOW]

Oh sure...lets get another chicken bone player that is 1 quarter away from the wishbone. Say no to Darren "chicken legs" McFadden.

ps: it is nice to see a run dmc thread again....we only had 25,000 DMC threads prior to the 2009 draft or whatever year that was.

 

[5Stars]

Well, I see the usual suspect has turned a running back thread into a Romo thread...as usual. Any opportunity to degrade Romo, and BAM, "Heeeerr comes Johnny"!

 

[theSHOW]

Well, I see the usual suspect has turned a running back thread into a Romo thread...as usual. Any opportunity to degrade Romo, and BAM, "Heeeerr comes Johnny"!

magic tricks...I got a rb in one hand and nothing in the other. BAM..look! the rb is now in the other hand. Hey! whats that behind your ear? Hands open the rb is gone...a quarterback making a play at the most critical time is now in his hand. wala!

smiles big and throws pencil

 

[5Stars]

magic tricks...I got a rb in one hand and nothing in the other. BAM..look! the rb is now in the other hand. Hey! whats that behind your ear? Hands open the rb is gone...a quarterback making a play at the most critical time is now in his hand. wala!

smiles big and throws pencil

lol ok...

 

[Clove]

No offense to the OP, but it always makes me laugh when people ask people what do they think if we picked up such in such player. They should ask Jerry that not us, because Jerry is the only one making these decisions. We have zero input, so it seems like a waste to bring up players unless Jerry shows interests in that person. So we spend several days talking about players Jerry's never even thought of.

 

[5Stars]

No offense to the OP, but it always makes me laugh when people ask people what do they think if we picked up such in such player. They should ask Jerry that not us, because Jerry is the only one making these decisions. We have zero input, so it seems like a waste to bring up players unless Jerry shows interests in that person. So we spend several days talking about players Jerry's never even thought of.

Then, why did you post in this thread if that is how you think? lmao

 

[HappyOnions]

No offense to the OP, but it always makes me laugh when people ask people what do they think if we picked up such in such player. They should ask Jerry that not us, because Jerry is the only one making these decisions. We have zero input, so it seems like a waste to bring up players unless Jerry shows interests in that person. So we spend several days talking about players Jerry's never even thought of.

Just trying to start up a discussion. You could say that about any of the threads that are made; that Jerry should be the one who's being asked, not the rest of the posters here.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So the media which includes former NFL players, coaches and GM's are wrong and FANS like you know better? Romo is a very good QB that can't be argued but the fact is he hasn't been very good in the games that matter most.

Those guys are in the media. Their job is to be interesting and relevant. To draw eyeballs. That's what keeps them on TV and keeps them getting paychecks.

Interestingly those former QBs universally buck this trend of blaming QBs and give Romo props.

And he hasn't been very good in games that matter most? Like his all Dec games when he's something like 33-8 (TD-INT)?

Or like that first Giants game 2 years ago when he had 4 tds and no ints? Or the next game where he had 3 tds and no ints or in the season finale against the Giants when he had a 106 qb rating?

I could go on but you're the biggest kind of troll.

But man thank you for the genius that is signature spotlight games. Gift that keeps on giving.

 

[KJJ]

Those guys are in the media. Their job is to be interesting and relevant. To draw eyeballs. That's what keeps them on TV and keeps them getting paychecks.

Interestingly those former QBs universally buck this trend of blaming QBs and give Romo props.

And he hasn't been very good in games that matter most? Like his all Dec games when he's something like 33-8 (TD-INT)?

Or like that first Giants game 2 years ago when he had 4 tds and no ints? Or the next game where he had 3 tds and no ints or in the season finale against the Giants when he had a 106 qb rating?

I could go on but you're the biggest kind of troll.

But man thank you for the genius that is signature spotlight games. Gift that keeps on giving.

What's keeping those guys on TV getting them paychecks is looking like they know what they're talking about. There's a lot of former players and coaches that would probably love having a gig like that after their careers in the NFL are over so the ones who have the job have competition out there. Romo has 30 TD's and 12 turnovers in his last 16 Dec/Jan games and 8 of those turnovers came in playoff/elimination games. By the way if you're going to throw the word troll around and don't want to keep the discussion civil go waste someone else's time.

 

[joseephuss]

Every game is an elimination game. The last game of the season doesn't matter if you lose too many of the games in the earlier parts of the season. If Dallas was 5-26 in November with Romo instead of 26-5(or whatever the actual record is) then December wouldn't matter at all.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What's keeping those guys on TV getting them paychecks is looking like they know what they're talking about. There's a lot of former players and coaches that would probably love having a gig like that after their careers in the NFL are over so the ones who have the job have competition out there. Romo has 30 TD's and 12 turnovers in his last 16 Dec/Jan games and 8 of those turnovers came in playoff/elimination games. By the way if you're going to throw the word troll around and don't want to keep the discussion civil go waste someone else's time.

Somehow you think that games earlier in the season don't matter....that of course doesn't make any sense.

 

[KJJ]

Somehow you think that games earlier in the season don't matter....that of course doesn't make any sense.

I don't think that at all that's your take and it's ridiculous.. In a 16 game regular season all games are important but you can recover from early season losses when you still have games left on your schedule. You can't recover from losing a week 17 elimination game or a playoff game. It's not we'll bounce back next week it's wait until next year. Every game that's played during the regular season is to put you in position to win a do or die game at that end of the year.

To win a championship a QB is going to face a minimum of 3 elimination games. It's when it's down to do or die that separates the championship teams and the championship QB's from the rest. It's getting it done in do or die situations that led to 3 championships that put Troy Aikman in the HOF.