Hypothetical - What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test?

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RustyBourneHorse said:
So, on this hypothetical timeline, how differently do the Cowboys play the draft in 2005? I suspect we probably get DWare with our first of two first round picks. However, I can't help but wonder, would the Cowboys have drafted Aaron Rodgers with the second first round pick? I think it's telling that, with what actually happened, the Cowboys appeared to pass up on Rodgers in favour of Romo, who was apparently being developed to start. But, in this hypothetical situation, I do think the Cowboys might have taken Rodgers had Carter not failed his drug test.
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I thought it was stupid to not take Rodgers with the second first round pick regardless. I see what you're saying. But is having an aging vet in Bledsoe, and an UDFA in Romo good reason to pass up Rodgers?

I believe they had no intention of drafting Rodgers. Parcells probably didn't want a rookie QB.
 
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I thought it was stupid to not take Rodgers with the second first round pick regardless. I see what you're saying. But is having an aging vet in Bledsoe, and an UDFA in Romo good reason to pass up Rodgers?

I believe they had no intention of drafting Rodgers. Parcells probably didn't want a rookie QB.
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I get that, but that's why I have this as a hypothetical thread. If Carter makes the team, then Romo likely leaves. If that's the case and if Carter struggled, then does that change the calculus of whether or not they choose Aaron Rodgers?
 
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I get that, but that's why I have this as a hypothetical thread. If Carter makes the team, then Romo likely leaves. If that's the case and if Carter struggled, then does that change the calculus of whether or not they choose Aaron Rodgers?
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Vinny struggled and they didn't draft Rodgers. I don't believe Romo had any impact on the decision. Because they chose to start Bledsoe over him. I guess you could say, without Romo being there, they may have filled his spot with another young QB. I just don't think that was high on Bill's priority list. Using a first round pick to fill what Romo vacated doesn't seem like something Bill would do.
 
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Had the Cowboys drafted Rodgers a lot changes. How does 2006 and 2007 play out? Does Parcells stay if we have a better 2006? But after 2007 Rodgers career would look a lot different. We did not have good teams.
 
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Vinny struggled and they didn't draft Rodgers. I don't believe Romo had any impact on the decision. Because they chose to start Bledsoe over him. I guess you could say, without Romo being there, they may have filled his spot with another young QB. I just don't think that was high on Bill's priority list. Using a first round pick to fill what Romo vacated doesn't seem like something Bill would do.
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Sure, but Jerry might have. Who knows? It's all hypothetical, but I have to imagine that, if Romo were not here, then Rodgers would definitely have been much more of a conversation. Besides, Rodgers needed a few years to wait behind Favre. So, drafting Rodgers wouldn't have eliminated the need for Bledsoe.
 
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Had the Cowboys drafted Rodgers a lot changes. How does 2006 and 2007 play out? Does Parcells stay if we have a better 2006? But after 2007 Rodgers career would look a lot different. We did not have good teams.
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Sure, but would it have changed the calculus of how the FO builds the team if Rodgers had been here?
 
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Sure, but Jerry might have. Who knows? It's all hypothetical, but I have to imagine that, if Romo were not here, then Rodgers would definitely have been much more of a conversation. Besides, Rodgers needed a few years to wait behind Favre. So, drafting Rodgers wouldn't have eliminated the need for Bledsoe.
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If things play out the same way, he replaces Bledsoe sometime in 2006. Probably quicker than Romo did. More is expected from a 1st round pick than an UDFA.


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Sure, but would it have changed the calculus of how the FO builds the team if Rodgers had been here?
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I'm not sure. I would say no. I think that changed when Parcells left. I don't know that Rodgers was any better than Romo in 2006 and 2007.
 
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RustyBourneHorse said:
I was posting in a different thread, and I thought of a fun hypothetical thread. What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test? (Granted, I wasn't even a teenager when this happened) Let's jump into the TARDIS and go back to 2003, where we begin our adventure to set the stage.

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So, in 2003, Bill Parcells was taking over as the Cowboys head coach following 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons under Dave Campo. The draft of QBs that year consisted of the likes of Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyler Boller (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft) being taken in round 1. The Cowboys would bring in an UDFA QB that year by the name of Tony Romo, but the FO and the staff at the time appeared to have felt that Quincy Carter was the best option available to start for the Cowboys that year. The Cowboys would go 10-6, make the playoffs, and lose to the Panthers in the playoffs. In 2004, Carter looked poised to start again, but they'd bring in Vinny Testaverde to be the backup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Testaverde). The Cowboys would trade the first round pick that year to Buffalo, which led to the Cowboys getting 2 first round picks a year later. Now, come to the point of this thread having set the stage.

So, Quincy Carter famously was cut on 4 August (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Carter), which resulted in Romo making the team. It turned out later that it was due to a failed drug test. However, suppose Quincy Carter doesn't fail the test? What would have happened? This is where the fun begins.

So, for the 2004 season, I think Quincy starts, Vinny is the backup, and Romo ends up on the PS. Let's suppose that the Cowboys go 6-10 like they did anyway that year.

So, on this hypothetical timeline, how differently do the Cowboys play the draft in 2005? I suspect we probably get DWare with our first of two first round picks. However, I can't help but wonder, would the Cowboys have drafted Aaron Rodgers with the second first round pick? I think it's telling that, with what actually happened, the Cowboys appeared to pass up on Rodgers in favour of Romo, who was apparently being developed to start. But, in this hypothetical situation, I do think the Cowboys might have taken Rodgers had Carter not failed his drug test.

I'd imagine, just as with Green Bay, Rodgers probably doesn't start in 2005, so, we end up with Bledsoe or Carter starting at first. Then, just as when Romo ended up starting against the Giants in 2006, I think the timeline would continue with Rodgers taking over that game. What I'm curious about is how would Rodgers have developed with us, and what would our fortunes have been like?

Don't get me wrong. I love what Romo did. I always appreciate what Romo did, and I think he was an amazing QB. That said, I think these hypocritical thoughts are always fun too. I can't help but wonder how things would have been different.
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Quincy Carter was never going to Pass another NFL madanted Drug test. He didn't have the faculties to handle pressure of performing. Let's not be naive to think other professional athletes haven't done so... Any Dallas Cowboys fan over age 40 knows of the infamous Whitehouse
 
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The Gap was not very big in Rodgers favor.
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Are you serious? The gap between Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo is HUGE! Many have Aaron Rodgers as one of the top five greatest QBs to ever play the game. He played in 22 playoff games compared to 6 for Romo. Rodgers has played in five conference title games compared to zero for Romo and won a championship. Rodgers is in the top 10 all-time leading passers. Rodgers has won 148 games compared to 78 games for Romo. Rodgers has won four MVP awards. Every statistical category favors Aaron Rodgers over Romo. Can’t even believe I’m wasting my time with this. Lol
 
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RustyBourneHorse said:
I was posting in a different thread, and I thought of a fun hypothetical thread. What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test? (Granted, I wasn't even a teenager when this happened) Let's jump into the TARDIS and go back to 2003, where we begin our adventure to set the stage.

200w.webp



So, in 2003, Bill Parcells was taking over as the Cowboys head coach following 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons under Dave Campo. The draft of QBs that year consisted of the likes of Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyler Boller (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft) being taken in round 1. The Cowboys would bring in an UDFA QB that year by the name of Tony Romo, but the FO and the staff at the time appeared to have felt that Quincy Carter was the best option available to start for the Cowboys that year. The Cowboys would go 10-6, make the playoffs, and lose to the Panthers in the playoffs. In 2004, Carter looked poised to start again, but they'd bring in Vinny Testaverde to be the backup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Testaverde). The Cowboys would trade the first round pick that year to Buffalo, which led to the Cowboys getting 2 first round picks a year later. Now, come to the point of this thread having set the stage.

So, Quincy Carter famously was cut on 4 August (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Carter), which resulted in Romo making the team. It turned out later that it was due to a failed drug test. However, suppose Quincy Carter doesn't fail the test? What would have happened? This is where the fun begins.

So, for the 2004 season, I think Quincy starts, Vinny is the backup, and Romo ends up on the PS. Let's suppose that the Cowboys go 6-10 like they did anyway that year.

So, on this hypothetical timeline, how differently do the Cowboys play the draft in 2005? I suspect we probably get DWare with our first of two first round picks. However, I can't help but wonder, would the Cowboys have drafted Aaron Rodgers with the second first round pick? I think it's telling that, with what actually happened, the Cowboys appeared to pass up on Rodgers in favour of Romo, who was apparently being developed to start. But, in this hypothetical situation, I do think the Cowboys might have taken Rodgers had Carter not failed his drug test.

I'd imagine, just as with Green Bay, Rodgers probably doesn't start in 2005, so, we end up with Bledsoe or Carter starting at first. Then, just as when Romo ended up starting against the Giants in 2006, I think the timeline would continue with Rodgers taking over that game. What I'm curious about is how would Rodgers have developed with us, and what would our fortunes have been like?

Don't get me wrong. I love what Romo did. I always appreciate what Romo did, and I think he was an amazing QB. That said, I think these hypocritical thoughts are always fun too. I can't help but wonder how things would have been different.
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Lookit, this is not a thing.

Parcells did not want Quincy. He went 10-6 with Q throwing 21 picks.

He knew he was going to go to Vinny at some point in the season because Henson wasn't ready (and he wasn't sold on Drew either).

He'd have cut bait regardless. Whether before the formal suspension or after. Parcells knew what he had and sent him on his way. Just like he ditched Hutch and Henson. Dude wasn't for everyone, but he rarely missed on evaluation of players after they had seen some NFL action.

Romo would have stuck around regardless - Peyton was in his corner and the team could always give him a great PS deal that would allow him to develop rather than risk being cut as a 3rd string QB elsewhere every week.
 
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