Hypothetical - What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test?

[RustyBourneHorse]

Lookit, this is not a thing.

Parcells did not want Quincy. He went 10-6 with Q throwing 21 picks.

He knew he was going to go to Vinny at some point in the season because Henson wasn't ready (and he wasn't sold on Drew either).

He'd have cut bait regardless. Whether before the formal suspension or after. Parcells knew what he had and sent him on his way. Just like he ditched Hutch and Henson. Dude wasn't for everyone, but he rarely missed on evaluation of players after they had seen some NFL action.

Romo would have stuck around regardless - Peyton was in his corner and the team could always give him a great PS deal that would allow him to develop rather than risk being cut as a 3rd string QB elsewhere every week.

I could see that. The one area that I'm curious about is, was there a consideration for possibly taking a QB in the draft in 2004?

 

[diamonddelts]

Stupid is as stupid posts are always around

Don't be so hard on yourself

 

[erod]

He still would have choked on his moose tongue.

 

[Pantone282C]

I was posting in a different thread, and I thought of a fun hypothetical thread. What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test? (Granted, I wasn't even a teenager when this happened) Let's jump into the TARDIS and go back to 2003, where we begin our adventure to set the stage.

So, in 2003, Bill Parcells was taking over as the Cowboys head coach following 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons under Dave Campo. The draft of QBs that year consisted of the likes of Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyler Boller (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft) being taken in round 1. The Cowboys would bring in an UDFA QB that year by the name of Tony Romo, but the FO and the staff at the time appeared to have felt that Quincy Carter was the best option available to start for the Cowboys that year. The Cowboys would go 10-6, make the playoffs, and lose to the Panthers in the playoffs. In 2004, Carter looked poised to start again, but they'd bring in Vinny Testaverde to be the backup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Testaverde). The Cowboys would trade the first round pick that year to Buffalo, which led to the Cowboys getting 2 first round picks a year later. Now, come to the point of this thread having set the stage.

So, Quincy Carter famously was cut on 4 August (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Carter), which resulted in Romo making the team. It turned out later that it was due to a failed drug test. However, suppose Quincy Carter doesn't fail the test? What would have happened? This is where the fun begins.

So, for the 2004 season, I think Quincy starts, Vinny is the backup, and Romo ends up on the PS. Let's suppose that the Cowboys go 6-10 like they did anyway that year.

So, on this hypothetical timeline, how differently do the Cowboys play the draft in 2005? I suspect we probably get DWare with our first of two first round picks. However, I can't help but wonder, would the Cowboys have drafted Aaron Rodgers with the second first round pick? I think it's telling that, with what actually happened, the Cowboys appeared to pass up on Rodgers in favour of Romo, who was apparently being developed to start. But, in this hypothetical situation, I do think the Cowboys might have taken Rodgers had Carter not failed his drug test.

I'd imagine, just as with Green Bay, Rodgers probably doesn't start in 2005, so, we end up with Bledsoe or Carter starting at first. Then, just as when Romo ended up starting against the Giants in 2006, I think the timeline would continue with Rodgers taking over that game. What I'm curious about is how would Rodgers have developed with us, and what would our fortunes have been like?

Don't get me wrong. I love what Romo did. I always appreciate what Romo did, and I think he was an amazing QB. That said, I think these hypocritical thoughts are always fun too. I can't help but wonder how things would have been different.

Someone would have performed an accuracy check on the testing equipment. That, or, Spock's evil twin would be masterminding a takeover of the galaxy.

 

[Pantone282C]

Sure, but would it have changed the calculus of how the FO builds the team if Rodgers had been here?

No, Jerry would have regressed back to his norm.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Romo was a better QB than Rodgers.

Umm... No. Not even close.

 

[plasticman]

The goal of the 2005 draft was to build the style of 3-4 defense that Parcells wanted. His style called for big, fast LB's and DE's that were built more like DT's.

Canty and Spears were both the prototypical DE's in a Parcells 3-4. Actually, Ware was a contradiction to Parcell's style of LB's because he was originally a college DE and Parcells preferred more instinctive LB's. However, Jerry jones was enamored with Ware's potential as a pass rusher and overruled Parcells who wanted Spears. It would turn out that he got Spears anyway with the other 1st round pick they had.

I don't think the Cowboys gave much consideration to drafting Rodgers. Parcells preferred low key QB's that did what they were told. He was never about high profile big arm QB's. He always preferred the busdriver type.

Testaverde was originally signed to be Carter's backup, although Jerry Jones hinted, at the time, that there would be competition. That became a mute point when Carter was released. The 3rd QB would have been Drew Henson and so Romo would have been released.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was posting in a different thread, and I thought of a fun hypothetical thread. What would have happened if Quincy Carter had passed his drug test? (Granted, I wasn't even a teenager when this happened) Let's jump into the TARDIS and go back to 2003, where we begin our adventure to set the stage.

So, in 2003, Bill Parcells was taking over as the Cowboys head coach following 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons under Dave Campo. The draft of QBs that year consisted of the likes of Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyler Boller (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft) being taken in round 1. The Cowboys would bring in an UDFA QB that year by the name of Tony Romo, but the FO and the staff at the time appeared to have felt that Quincy Carter was the best option available to start for the Cowboys that year. The Cowboys would go 10-6, make the playoffs, and lose to the Panthers in the playoffs. In 2004, Carter looked poised to start again, but they'd bring in Vinny Testaverde to be the backup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Testaverde). The Cowboys would trade the first round pick that year to Buffalo, which led to the Cowboys getting 2 first round picks a year later. Now, come to the point of this thread having set the stage.

So, Quincy Carter famously was cut on 4 August (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Carter), which resulted in Romo making the team. It turned out later that it was due to a failed drug test. However, suppose Quincy Carter doesn't fail the test? What would have happened? This is where the fun begins.

So, for the 2004 season, I think Quincy starts, Vinny is the backup, and Romo ends up on the PS. Let's suppose that the Cowboys go 6-10 like they did anyway that year.

So, on this hypothetical timeline, how differently do the Cowboys play the draft in 2005? I suspect we probably get DWare with our first of two first round picks. However, I can't help but wonder, would the Cowboys have drafted Aaron Rodgers with the second first round pick? I think it's telling that, with what actually happened, the Cowboys appeared to pass up on Rodgers in favour of Romo, who was apparently being developed to start. But, in this hypothetical situation, I do think the Cowboys might have taken Rodgers had Carter not failed his drug test.

I'd imagine, just as with Green Bay, Rodgers probably doesn't start in 2005, so, we end up with Bledsoe or Carter starting at first. Then, just as when Romo ended up starting against the Giants in 2006, I think the timeline would continue with Rodgers taking over that game. What I'm curious about is how would Rodgers have developed with us, and what would our fortunes have been like?

Don't get me wrong. I love what Romo did. I always appreciate what Romo did, and I think he was an amazing QB. That said, I think these hypocritical thoughts are always fun too. I can't help but wonder how things would have been different.

I think he would've continued to progress. I don't know how far or what his ceiling was but he would've gotten better. He really messed himself up because he had a owner in Jerry who wanted to prove he was right and Parcells seem to be behind him until that moment.

 

[CowboysRule]

I hope you’re not serious. If you are…Wow! Good luck trying to win that argument. Lol

Prove me wrong.

 

[KJJ]

Prove me wrong.

That will be simple! Many have Aaron Rodgers as one of the top five greatest QBs to ever play the game. He played in 22 playoff games compared to 6 for Romo. Rodgers has played in five conference title games compared to zero for Romo and won a championship. Rodgers is in the top 10 all-time leading passers. Rodgers has won 148 games compared to 78 games for Romo. Rodgers has won 4 MVP’s compared to zero for Romo. Every statistical category favors Aaron Rodgers over Romo. You just got proven wrong. Now let’s see you prove yourself right. Lol

 

[AbeBeta]

I could see that. The one area that I'm curious about is, was there a consideration for possibly taking a QB in the draft in 2004?

I doubt it. Bill was never going to be HC for a long time. He was already in his 60s when he arrived. I don't think he had much time for developing rookie QBs -- Romo was a guy Payton liked and wanted to develop. That's fine for a 3rd qb. Bill wasn't interested in growing pains with a young QB (see Henson getting the quick hook after a bad half). Bill wanted Vinny. He wanted Bledsoe. He wanted guys who who knew and could count on. He wasn't interested in developmental QBs. Romo really just fell in his lap

 

[kskboys]

He might've become a decent NFL backup.