I am going to keep bringing it up until it stops these Refs suck

[cowboyvic]

That's what kills me the most. Any other coach would get in the refs face for some of these calls/no calls, red just shakes his head and at best mouths to them "you gotta be kidding me." Jerry must have did something to piss off the officials. It's not your imagination folks, the refs don't like us.

Bingo. Right on the money. Garrett needs to throw a freaking fit in these games.

 

[tyke1doe]

That is not the point. this thread is about the cheating Refs, not T. Williams. if you want to post about his fumble i hope you start a new thread about it. i want this thread focused on the refs.this crap is out of control . every week it's something.last week the replay ref refuse to looked at Dez catch on the game winning drive. this week they look at Williams knee down before the ball comes out and still give them the TD.it is just pitiful. and it's wrong.

How did the refs cheat? That's a strong accusation. Do you have proof that they cheated? If so, please offer evidence.

The fact is that T. Williams should have kept his hands on the ball, not leaving it for the refs to decide. He did not. He fumbled. He turned it over. The Raiders scored. Those are the facts.

 

[tyke1doe]

These 'the refs are cheating, the refs are bias' threads are quite amusing as they are silly.

 

[LOBO7]

I think there is very little cheating going on , I do think there is a ton of bias out there.

 

[cowboyvic]

The call looked to be bad, but there wasn't clear evidence that it 100% wasn't a fumble. The knee looked down, but the camera frame on the bottom cut off the bottom of his knee/ground, so you couldn't tell beyond a shadow of a doubt when the knee actually touched. Since it was called on the field, they didn't have enough to change the call. They can't overturn calls on probability.

You can't have it both ways.this idea that there was not enough to overturn it is BS. the replay is very clear. that man's knee is down before that ball is pulled out.and let's say what you say is true and the replay ref says it's not clear enough to overturn the on field ref. then how do you explain the replay ref overturning Wilcox pick in Philly, when the ball bounced off Avant's hand ? the call on the field was a pick. i saw nothing on that replay to change that call. but the replay ref changed it.this is BS and you know it is.

 

[cowboyvic]

These 'the refs are cheating, the refs are bias' threads are quite amusing as they are silly.

My eyes are not lying to me. you can play it off all you want. but this is very real.

 

[tyke1doe]

My eyes are not lying to me. you can play it off all you want. but this is very real.

Two people can witness the same accident and come to different conclusions on what happened. No, what you see isn't always accurate. There's a picture circulating around this forum on someone's avatar where it appears Parcells and Belichik are about to embrace for a kiss. Your eyes sometimes interpret scenes based on one's perceived biases. And even moreso, one snap shot doesn't not necessarily accurately portray what is happening, especiall if you remove it from a context.

Be that as it may, you can't prove the refs are cheating or are exhibiting bias because that's a question of motive, and there's NO WAY you can determine a person's motives based solely on what you see.

 

[cowboyvic]

Two people can witness the same accident and come to different conclusions on what happened. No, what you see isn't always accurate. There's a picture circulating around this forum on someone's avatar where it appears Parcells and Belichik are about to embrace for a kiss. Your eyes sometimes interpret scenes based on one's perceived biases. And even moreso, one snap shot doesn't not necessarily accurately portray what is happening, especiall if you remove it from a context.

Be that as it may, you can't prove the refs are cheating or are exhibiting bias because that's a question of motive, and there's NO WAY you can determine a person's motives based solely on what you see.

All BS. i know the BS calls im seeing every freaking week. how come that replay ref did not even look at that catch by Dez in that Giants Game? he refused to even look at it. WHY? come on big guy, im waiting.

 

[tyke1doe]

All BS. i know the BS calls im seeing every freaking week. how come that replay ref did not even look at that catch by Dez in that Giants Game? he refused to even look at it. WHY? come on big guy, im waiting.

I don't know why. But how does that prove bias?
You have to know the ref's motive to substantiate bias. So, come on big guy, show me anything that suggests the ref was being bias? Any statement where he says, "I hate the Cowboys, and I'm going to screw them when I ref their games."

You may not like the call. You may not understand the call. But that doesn't make the call bias. Get frustrated all you want, but you have no evidence that the refs are out to get the Cowboys.

Bias, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. And for every Cowboys fan claiming the refs are out to get Dallas, fans of other teams believe that the refs are out to benefit the Cowboys.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This complaint gets old. Every team has the same complaint and all the fans claim they get jobbed by the refs every week.

It is part of the game and whining will not change that.

 

[cowboyvic]

I don't know why. But how does that prove bias?
You have to know the ref's motive to substantiate bias. So, come on big guy, show me anything that suggests the ref was being bias? Any statement where he says, "I hate the Cowboys, and I'm going to screw them when I ref their games."

You may not like the call. You may not understand the call. But that doesn't make the call bias. Get frustrated all you want, but you have no evidence that the refs are out to get the Cowboys.

Bias, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. And for every Cowboys fan claiming the refs are out to get Dallas, fans of other teams believe that the refs are out to benefit the Cowboys.

Wrong on all counts again. there is no reason for that replay ref in ny , not to review that play. that's his job. he refused to review the play which proves he is bias. how the hell can he refuse to even look at a play that big in a big game. Wake the hell up.

 

[DogFace]

Sorry, but I don't think continuosly complaining about the refs on this forum is going to resolve the problem.

That's wonderful!

 

[tyke1doe]

This complaint gets old. Every team has the same complaint and all the fans claim they get jobbed by the refs every week.

It is part of the game and whining will not change that.

It's a complaint of those who ...
1.) Are too biased themselves that they can't stomach to see a call go against their favorite team or
2.) Are very immature or unsophisticated and don't really understand the world outside of their on perspective.

Being bias against a particular team is cause for termination. These refs take this game seriously because it is their livelihood. If they were ever discovered favoring one team over another, they would be summarily dismissed as a ref.

Besides, they are also professionals. I am a little league baseball umpire. I was umping a game involving a team with a coach I liked against a team with coaches I disliked. I threatened to throw one of the coaches out of the game. Well, it was the bottom of the last inning and the team with the coaches I disliked had the bases loaded in a tie game. The ball gets hit to the pitch, and he throws it back to the catch right when the runner on third arrives at the base. I call the runner safe.

Of course, one side is happy, the other mad at the call. But I called it as I saw it. I didn't think, "I hate this team so I'm going to call the runner out." It was a split second decision. Besides, my integrity wouldn't allow me to call it any other way, even though, afterwards, I hate that that team won.

When you're involved in refereeing a game, you don't have time for bias. Do I always make the right calls? No. Sometimes, I call strikes balls and balls strikes. But there's no bias involved.

Fans don't realize how difficult it is being a referee. You're absorb in the game, trying to apply the rules. You don't have time to be thinking about, "I'm going to screw this team."

 

[DogFace]

This complaint gets old. Every team has the same complaint and all the fans claim they get jobbed by the refs every week.

It is part of the game and whining will not change that.

I don't believe that's true about every team. I know many colts fans. Around 40 or 50 family members. They don't feel the way many Cowboys fans do. Nor do they have examples each week like the ones in this thread showing extreme poor judgement consistently going against their team.

 

[tyke1doe]

Wrong on all counts again. there is no reason for that replay ref in ny , not to review that play. that's his job. he refused to review the play which proves he is bias. how the hell can he refuse to even look at a play that big in a big game. Wake the hell up.

How old are you?
Do you have a formal education?
Have you experienced differences of opinion in your personal, civic and professional life?
How do you know his refusal to review the play amounts to bias? Is there some manual that says that if a ref refuses to review a play that constitutes bias?
You're being irrational.
What I'm saying is what any rational person who understands how the world works would say. Only unsophisticated fans speak as you do.
Choosing not to review a play is not the standard of bias. It could be that the ref is so certain of the play, there's no need to review it.
Refs tend not to contradict another ref. That could be a dynamic too.
There are other reasons than your simple-minded conclusion of bias.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't believe that's true about every team. I know many colts fans. Around 40 or 50 family members. They don't feel the way many Cowboys fans do. Nor do they have examples each week like the ones in this thread showing extreme poor judgement consistently going against their team.

Maybe that's because they're not used to winning as much as Cowboys fans are.

 

[cowboyvic]

It's a complaint of those who ...
1.) Are too biased themselves that they can't stomach to see a call go against their favorite team or
2.) Are very immature or unsophisticated and don't really understand the world outside of their on perspective.

Being bias against a particular team is cause for termination. These refs take this game seriously because it is their livelihood. If they were ever discovered favoring one team over another, they would be summarily dismissed as a ref.

Besides, they are also professionals. I am a little league baseball umpire. I was umping a game involving a team with a coach I liked against a team with coaches I disliked. I threatened to throw one of the coaches out of the game. Well, it was the bottom of the last inning and the team with the coaches I disliked had the bases loaded in a tie game. The ball gets hit to the pitch, and he throws it back to the catch right when the runner on third arrives at the base. I call the runner safe.

Of course, one side is happy, the other mad at the call. But I called it as I saw it. I didn't think, "I hate this team so I'm going to call the runner out." It was a split second decision. Besides, my integrity wouldn't allow me to call it any other way, even though, afterwards, I hate that that team won.

When you're involved in refereeing a game, you don't have time for bias. Do I always make the right calls? No. Sometimes, I call strikes balls and balls strikes. But there's no bias involved.

Fans don't realize how difficult it is being a referee. You're absorb in the game, trying to apply the rules. You don't have time to be thinking about, "I'm going to screw this team."

All pie in the sky BS. i guess that cheating ref that was caught in the NBA did not happen. give me a break. i know what my eyes are seeing every freaking week.and im seeing cheating/bias refs. and i am sick and tired of it. you see that freaking blatant hold on Ware yesterday?ref looking right at it, yet no call. then he turns around and calls a hold on Free,which took a TD off the board. enough is enough.

 

[cowboyvic]

Maybe that's because they're not used to winning as much as Cowboys fans are.

Are you kidding. how old are you? the Colts have won big most of the last 17 years. cowboys have not. you are looking for every excuse to not admit what is going on here.stop just stop.

 

[tyke1doe]

All pie in the sky BS. i guess that cheating ref that was caught in the NBA did not happen. give me a break. i know what my eyes are seeing every freaking week.and im seeing cheating/bias refs. and i am sick and tired of it. you see that freaking blatant hold on Ware yesterday?ref looking right at it, yet no call. then he turns around and calls a hold on Free,which took a TD off the board. enough is enough.

With all due respect, you need to get out more. Nothing I said was pie in the sky. Do you even know what that phrase means? Everything I've said is rooted in reality. There is a specific way one measures bias. Your methodology isn't the way.

Second, the referee caught cheating in the NBA was caught (Don't miss this) because THE EVIDENCE SHOWED HE WAS CHEATING!
That's why I asked you for specific proof. But you gave none.
You sound ridiculous, like a child complaining about cheating.
Most fans say the exact same thing.

Again, it's okay to be frustrated by calls. But cheating and bias are specific accusations which DEMAND evidence and proof.

And what's so bad about your ranting is that the Cowboys won both games. Have mercy had they loss. You'd likely be complaining that Roger Goodell ordered them to do so. LOL!

 

[tyke1doe]

Are you kidding. how old are you? the Colts have won big most of the last 17 years. cowboys have not. you are looking for every excuse to not admit what is going on here.stop just stop.

Stealing my lines I see. LOL!
You do know what a comparison is? "As much as the Cowboys" can be interpreted over franchise history.
Specifically, I'm referring to the Super Bowl era. No, the Colts don't have as much of a winning franchise as the Cowboys.
And, I'm not looking for excuses. I'm looking for logic, reason and proof.

You have none with respect to your "The refs are cheating/bias" rant. Deflecting to what I said, which also involves a bit of interpretation to get to the truth of my statement, isn't going to detract from the irrationality of your position.