I am over this defense and why I go offense in draft

[Sarge]

Love that logic. The defense is so bad lets just concentrate on the offense. Ya, THAT makes a lot of sense.

 

[bouttime]

I agree, lad.
Look, the defense is so horribly undermanned and with so little talent that drafting a DE high would be meaningless.
I say go offense then look to improve the D with FA, the middle rounds of this draft and then the offseason and next year's draft.
At some point we need to get the defense into a Super Bowl ready one and we are almost there, save a blue-chip RB and a true complementary WR for Dez.
First things first and improve what needs only 2 players to make a run at the Super Bowl. Not likely with our poor D but there is such as thing as keeping the opposing offense off the field to compensate with this sorry mess of a defense.

Also, when we go looking for D talent, let's not take chances with knuckleheads who might be doing muggles, meth or large amounts of opiates in San Francisco drug dens.

If JJ's goal, is to return to be as good as we were in the early 90"s...consider this...

As much as credit as was given to the Triplets, neither of them would have been what they were without a dominate offensive line. When that line started to falter or was absent, it meant the end of the Triplets.
Irvin's career ended because he had to go over the middle into the teeth of the Eagles defense and got slammed into the concrete turf called Veterans Stadium, because of his QB not having enough time. Aikman had to end his career because of the brutal hits he was taking both trying to stay in the pocket and the unfortunate times he was forced to run. (ie, LaVar Arrington). And Emmitt's career basically came to an end on a hit from Roy Williams while playing for the Cardinals.
We have the dominate line, we have an elite quarterback and receiver once again. The only piece that is missing...is a truly elite running back. Our team from last year paid the price for this 4th overall pick....NOW USE IT!!! He's our's...!!!

 

[Sydla]

I agree, lad.
Look, the defense is so horribly undermanned and with so little talent that drafting a DE high would be meaningless.
I say go offense then look to improve the D with FA, the middle rounds of this draft and then the offseason and next year's draft.
At some point we need to get the defense into a Super Bowl ready one and we are almost there, save a blue-chip RB and a true complementary WR for Dez.
First things first and improve what needs only 2 players to make a run at the Super Bowl. Not likely with our poor D but there is such as thing as keeping the opposing offense off the field to compensate with this sorry mess of a defense.

Also, when we go looking for D talent, let's not take chances with knuckleheads who might be doing muggles, meth or large amounts of opiates in San Francisco drug dens.

LOL.

So let's never address the defense?

The Baylor of the NFL.

 

[Sydla]

If JJ's goal, is to return to be as good as we were in the early 90"s...consider this...

As much as credit as was given to the Triplets, neither of them would have been what they were without a dominate offensive line. When that line started to falter or was absent, it meant the end of the Triplets.
Irvin's career ended because he had to go over the middle into the teeth of the Eagles defense and got slammed into the concrete turf called Veterans Stadium, because of his QB not having enough time. Aikman had to end his career because of the brutal hits he was taking both trying to stay in the pocket and the unfortunate times he was forced to run. (ie, LaVar Arrington). And Emmitt's career basically came to an end on a hit from Roy Williams while playing for the Cardinals.
We have the dominate line, we have an elite quarterback and receiver once again. The only piece that is missing...is a truly elite running back. Our team from last year paid the price for this 4th overall pick....NOW USE IT!!! He's our's...!!!

Of course let's not forget the SB teams of the 90s had elite defenses too. So let's not assume Elliott is the last remaining piece to turning into the 1992-1993 Cowboys.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

With 3 defensive starters suspended for drug offense in past few years I am now switching my thoughts on this draft. I see two scenarios I would be in favor of now:

1. Draft Elliot #4 and if Lynch starts sliding past 15 then trade back up for him. Lynch upside is as good as Wentz and Eagles basically gave up 7 players to get him.

2. Draft Elliot #4 and Will Fuller ("vertical daddy") in 2nd round. Teams would have to commit a safety to account for Fuller big play ability and this would open up things for Elliot to be boss.

I can take some shots on defense with those extra compensatory picks along with middle round picks but it's time for offense to be the apple in our eye.

LOL! Say that in the draft room and you'd be laughed out the door.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

players you draft on defense this year will not help you this year. Maybe next year but not this year. a bunch of rookies are not going to take you in the playoffs or make you much more competitive I say draft the running back build the offense.

Hmmm...we aren't going to the playoffs no matter who we draft.

 

[reddyuta]

players you draft on defense this year will not help you this year. Maybe next year but not this year. a bunch of rookies are not going to take you in the playoffs or make you much more competitive I say draft the running back build the offense.

And Romo will be 37 next year without a defense and you will say the same next year and that is no rookie will improve this defense.

 

[stilltheguru88]

players you draft on defense this year will not help you this year. Maybe next year but not this year. a bunch of rookies are not going to take you in the playoffs or make you much more competitive I say draft the running back build the offense.

They can help. I guarantee Bosa and Joseph would contribute day 1

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

And Romo will be 37 next year without a defense and you will say the same next year and that is no rookie will improve this defense.

It's not like we have pro bowlers on our team that a rookie defensive player won't help.

 

[Frosty]

With 3 defensive starters suspended for drug offense in past few years I am now switching my thoughts on this draft. I see two scenarios I would be in favor of now:

1. Draft Elliot #4 and if Lynch starts sliding past 15 then trade back up for him. Lynch upside is as good as Wentz and Eagles basically gave up 7 players to get him.

2. Draft Elliot #4 and Will Fuller ("vertical daddy") in 2nd round. Teams would have to commit a safety to account for Fuller big play ability and this would open up things for Elliot to be boss.

I can take some shots on defense with those extra compensatory picks along with middle round picks but it's time for offense to be the apple in our eye.

Good point, the 2014 Cowboys had a horrible defense...the team went 12-4 and deep in the playoffs. Then Jerry goes and try to fix the defense in 2015...and the team crashes an burns..to 4-12.... The cowboys are so UNpredictable...Miz-well be awesome on one side of the ball and at least give Romo a chance....

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Good point, the 2014 Cowboys had a horrible defense...the team went 12-4 and deep in the playoffs. Then Jerry goes and try to fix the defense in 2015...and the team crashes an burns..to 4-12.... The cowboys are so UNpredictable...Miz-well be awesome on one side of the ball and at least give Romo a chance....

Defense was good stopping the run (if I remember) and was excellent at takeaways in 2014. So it wasn't all horrible. lol.

 

[ConceptCoop]

This is another draft Zeke at #4 thread in disguise... We need a Zeke Zone.

It's getting pretty bad.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

So try to win 45-44 every week.
It'd be entertaining.

Well, you don't have to. Just like we didn't win 45-44 each week in 2014 despite everybody saying we were going to have the worst defense in NFL history when Sean Lee went on I-R.

The problem with building a defense is that historically, defensive players are almost 3 times as likely to get injured than offensive players. And the defense doesn't have that 1 position that is the linchpin to defensive performance, year-in and year-out like the QB position is to the offense.

What we've seen in the past 15 years is that the teams with the traditionally best defenses that are consistently good from year-to-year (Patriots, Seahawks, Steelers, Bengals) have a HC who was a top notch D-Coordinator or comes from a defensive background (Belichick, Carroll, Tomlin and Lewis). Even the Patriots defense has been suspect over the years.

IMO, the way the NFL is today it's more about consistency of performance rather than hoping to have a dominating defense. Chances are, you're not likely to have a dominating defense. Players get injured too easily and unless you have a brilliant defensive minded HC, your brilliant D-Coordinators can leave in an instant. I think you are better off trying to build a consistent defense that doesn't throw up awful performances and find the star QB that can lead your high powered offense and the team to victory. Trying to go for broke on defense should come with caution.

That being said, I wouldn't want Elliott. Nothing against him, but we have far more pressing needs at future QB and defensive backfield. And history has shown that RB at this high in the draft is a bad value pick.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This is another draft Zeke at #4 thread in disguise... We need a Zeke Zone.

If I had awoken from a coma and started reading CZ, I would swear that Zeke had to be the next Gale Sayers.




YR

 

[jobberone]

but we also don't have Denver's defense! And using all 12 picks on defense isn't going to change that.

That's true. We don't have the edge rushers Den has. But they may very well not repeat last season's performance on the edge. Back to us though; we need two superior edge rushers. And we need to rush from the CB position more as well as from the LBers both inside and out. If we had two good safeties we could do that more often.

 

[Vinnie2u]

If I had awoken from a coma and started reading CZ, I would swear that Zeke had to be the next Gale Sayers.




YR

It's like Gale Sayers, Hershall Walker, Bo Jackson, Marcus Dupree, Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett and Earl Campbell had their DNA spliced with a Egg from Serena Williams and the product was Zeke Elliot..

 

[jobberone]

Well, you don't have to. Just like we didn't win 45-44 each week in 2014 despite everybody saying we were going to have the worst defense in NFL history when Sean Lee went on I-R.

The problem with building a defense is that historically, defensive players are almost 3 times as likely to get injured than offensive players. And the defense doesn't have that 1 position that is the linchpin to defensive performance, year-in and year-out like the QB position is to the offense.

What we've seen in the past 15 years is that the teams with the traditionally best defenses that are consistently good from year-to-year (Patriots, Seahawks, Steelers, Bengals) have a HC who was a top notch D-Coordinator or comes from a defensive background (Belichick, Carroll, Tomlin and Lewis). Even the Patriots defense has been suspect over the years.

IMO, the way the NFL is today it's more about consistency of performance rather than hoping to have a dominating defense. Chances are, you're not likely to have a dominating defense. Players get injured too easily and unless you have a brilliant defensive minded HC, your brilliant D-Coordinators can leave in an instant. I think you are better off trying to build a consistent defense that doesn't throw up awful performances and find the star QB that can lead your high powered offense and the team to victory. Trying to go for broke on defense should come with caution.

That being said, I wouldn't want Elliott. Nothing against him, but we have far more pressing needs at future QB and defensive backfield. And history has shown that RB at this high in the draft is a bad value pick.





YR

I don't dismiss the need for scheme but the primary driver is players. We have a talent deficit on defense. We need at least one more edge rusher and another 3, S, and CB. We need to keep our LBers on the field and find another cover LBer. Then we can work the schemes.

 

[jobberone]

It's like Gale Sayers, Hershall Walker, Bo Jackson, Marcus Dupree, Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett and Earl Campbell had their DNA spliced with a Egg from Serena Williams and the product was Zeke Elliot..

You left out the Flash, Wonder Woman, and the Hulk.

That's the answer. Give the ball to the Hulk each possession including the POT. And let him play the 3.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't dismiss the need for scheme but the primary driver is players. We have a talent deficit on defense. We need at least one more edge rusher and another 3, S, and CB. We need to keep our LBers on the field and find another cover LBer. Then we can work the schemes.

The issue isn't necessarily scheme. The issue is that if you're trying to build a great defense you are likely to fail because you can't just target 1 position like you can on offense (QB) and defensive players get injured far too often. You might be able to make up for that with a wizard of a defensive coach, but we don't have that. And if you have a great D-Coordinator, he'll be snatched up sooner or later.





YR

 

[Alexander]

Love that logic. The defense is so bad lets just concentrate on the offense. Ya, THAT makes a lot of sense.

The concept of spinning your wheels has to be a consideration. Are we to build this defense for Marinelli?