I believe Tyler Smith will be the backup LT, starting LG

[TequilaCowboy]

Many of us are seriously concerned about Tyron's durability heading into another season. Already heard that he was having back issues. Will they sign a veteran swing tackle to play when Tyron misses time again?

We heard Tyler Smith was going to be a left side player. All the reports coming out of the OTA practices that he is splitting reps at both positions. This suggests they believe he can already play Guard in this league, but they have bigger plans for him at Left Tackle.

In my opinion, based on what we have heard thus far, Tyler Smith will be Tyron's primary backup this season. In the event Tyron goes down again, they will just shift Tyler to Tackle and insert McGovern at Guard. This is the best way to keep continuity.

Heard this from Skywalker on Voch's podcast this week, Tyler Smith is expected to attend Von Miller's pass rushing camp. This tells us, Tyler wants to be great and is willing to do what it takes to get there.

Doubt Tyler is the backup LT.....and McGovern is bad news at LG, so let's hope it doesn't get to that. He couldn't even beat out CWilliams when given the opportunity. What does that tell you?

 

[Cowboyny]

Doubt Tyler is the backup LT.....and McGovern is bad news at LG, so let's hope it doesn't get to that. He couldn't even beat out CWilliams when given the opportunity. What does that tell you?

It tells us, he is our backup Guard.

 

[baltcowboy]

We have to be careful going by reports from OTAs because the media is only seeing limited practice. I found it odd that the last OTA practice that was open to the media that lots of our starters sat out practice for a vet day. We really won’t know what the Cowboys plans are until they get to Oxnard when the media has full access. I will agree that eventually the Cowboys want Tyler to be a left tackle down the road but I don’t think it means this year.

 

[quickccc]

Position flex is good in an emergency, but a raw young player should focus on just one position.
They almost ruined Byron Jones with this flex business.

Depends upon that players' skill set and position experience.
Tyler played and started LT in college, so that position and role will not be new and stranger things to him at all.
And if he is flat just the better LT player than Ball or that Matteklo (sp) guy, then it's about placing in the best suited player in a emergency role.

i have no problem with flexing it's about backup players- that comes in handy on game active numbers,
the problem with Byron Jones is we had numb skull coaches that thought Byron was a natural safety than a CB.
Dude had zero feel for zones and cushion coverage - and later discovered he had no INT skills at all.

 

[Crown Royal]

I think Farniok might surpass McGovern on the depth chart at OG in 2022 if Farniok doesn't beat out Biadasz at OC.

I don't believe Biadasz is the starter at center this year. They've quietly put 2-3 guys there to push him. Farniok looked great in preseason and that UDFA they picked up may be legit.

 

[john van brocklin]

Depends upon that players' skill set and position experience.
Tyler played and started LT in college, so that position and role will not be new and stranger things to him at all.
And if he is flat just the better LT player than Ball or that Matteklo (sp) guy, then it's about placing in the best suited player in a emergency role.

i have no problem with flexing it's about backup players- that comes in handy on game active numbers,
the problem with Byron Jones is we had numb skull coaches that thought Byron was a natural safety than a CB.
Dude had zero feel for zones and cushion coverage - and later discovered he had no INT skills at all.

LOL, on the INT comment.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

It tells us, he is our backup Guard.

And that's why it will be bad news.

 

[quickccc]

It tells us, he is our backup Guard.

If we had any kind of decent competition and decent OL coach, McGovern should not be anointed the primary backup by default.,.
I already have a big problem with a supposed once regarded OG prospect that has issues playing left OG,.. and can only play RG.
Hopefully if 2021 late roundee Farniok can also provide anything,... and don't be surprised if they try to use one of those swing OTs inside this summer.

 

[Cowboyny]

If we had any kind of decent competition and decent OL coach, McGovern should not be anointed the primary backup by default.,.
I already have a big problem with a supposed once regarded OG prospect that has issues playing left OG,.. and can only play RG.
Hopefully if 2021 late roundee Farniok can also provide anything,... and don't be surprised if they try to use one of those swing OTs inside this summer.

McGovern has been taking reps at both Guard and Center. It's unlikely he starts, but might be competing to be the interior backup. Yes, it's possible to kick one of those tackle inside.

 

[Cowboyny]

And that's why it will be bad news.

To be fair, McGovern played well when Martin couldn't play in the opener. His issues were more on the left side where he struggled mentally. If they allow him to takes reps at left guard throughout the offseason, he should be much better. His issues are not physical, but more mental.

 

[quickccc]

McGovern has been taking reps at both Guard and Center. It's unlikely he starts, but might be competing to be the interior backup. Yes, it's possible to kick one of those tackle inside.

of course McGovern taking reps inside at both OG and C.., what else is he gonna play ... OT ?

We'll see how it runs in training camp, but this time last year, it's was far more about the other Conner (Williams) as a center flex., and McGovern was left out the C equation
until very much later into the season.

But when we're talking about the game day active roster., and you can only suit up so many (which is such a stupid rule anyway, imo) .. it's very essential and benefiting if he
can play center as a backup.

 

[quickccc]

To be fair, McGovern played well when Martin couldn't play in the opener. His issues were more on the left side where he struggled mentally. If they allow him to takes reps at left guard throughout the offseason, he should be much better. His issues are not physical, but more mental.

McGovern only playing right OG, was and is ...a problem because he was far more thought of a possible replacement for Williams, on the left side,.. should CW depart in FA,..
We did not draft McGovern in the 3rd rd. to compete with Zack Martin at RG .. he wasn't gonna replace a Zack Martin.

Whatever his issues were physically or mentally, Gov was obviously such a disappointment that the club sought a new rookie starter day one in the NFL draft.
And either McGovern is at least a decent backup or if he's that bad in camp, i can even see him being a likely surprise cut off the 53 man roster.
if they manage to collect a couple of more depth competition guys.

 

[fivetwos]

I agree, would like to have Tyler just play Guard this season, but they keep on talking about his positional flex. McGovern/Farnoik are both working at G/C, they are expected to be our interior backups. Question is, do they want to move a player like Steele to LT if Tyron goes down or keep a player on the same side?

I'm with hoping Tyler can stay at LG only....I think it would be a setback on several levels for him to be the 1st backup at LT.

(Also keep in mind if it happens mid game vs during the week it may be two different options)

I would guess it depends on what they see in camp and how ready Ball and/or Waletzko are.

Worst case I don't see it being difficult to find a vet swing after cuts or via trade.

The team has options there and things need to play out....but Tyron being healthy is just under Prescott as far as players we must have available.

Of course you don't want to lose a Parsons or Diggs but the drop-off to the backup isn't so drastic, and the QBs health isn't at stake if they miss time.

 

[conner01]

Many of us are seriously concerned about Tyron's durability heading into another season. Already heard that he was having back issues. Will they sign a veteran swing tackle to play when Tyron misses time again?

We heard Tyler Smith was going to be a left side player. All the reports coming out of the OTA practices that he is splitting reps at both positions. This suggests they believe he can already play Guard in this league, but they have bigger plans for him at Left Tackle.

In my opinion, based on what we have heard thus far, Tyler Smith will be Tyron's primary backup this season. In the event Tyron goes down again, they will just shift Tyler to Tackle and insert McGovern at Guard. This is the best way to keep continuity.

Heard this from Skywalker on Voch's podcast this week, Tyler Smith is expected to attend Von Miller's pass rushing camp. This tells us, Tyler wants to be great and is willing to do what it takes to get there.

That’s sure the plan
He was drafted because they see LT traits in him
Personally I’d let him learn guard this camp and work in tackle next year. Perfect one rather than trying to learn both as a rookie
But they think he can learn both and play both
But I don’t think there was ever doubt he was drafted to replace Tyron after next season when his contract is up

 

[conner01]

McGovern only playing right OG, was and is ...a problem because he was far more thought of a possible replacement for Williams, on the left side,.. should CW depart in FA,..
We did not draft McGovern in the 3rd rd. to compete with Zack Martin at RG .. he wasn't gonna replace a Zack Martin.

Whatever his issues were physically or mentally, Gov was obviously such a disappointment that the club sought a new rookie starter day one in the NFL draft.
And either McGovern is at least a decent backup or if he's that bad in camp, i can even see him being a likely surprise cut off the 53 man roster.
if they manage to collect a couple of more depth competition guys.

McG is won’t be cut
He is a much better RG than LG but you wouldn’t have known that when you took him. I do like the fact they’ve found a way to get a contribution out of him
But just like CW, he won’t get a second contract. And I’m fine with that. You don’t want to give guards a second contract unless they are elite. This is McG last year then he will move on
Smith was taken to replace Tyron but that’s two years away barring injury. So you use him at LG until then and get value out of the time he’s not the LT

 

[quickccc]

McG is won’t be cut
He is a much better RG than LG but you wouldn’t have known that when you took him. I do like the fact they’ve found a way to get a contribution out of him
But just like CW, he won’t get a second contract. And I’m fine with that. You don’t want to give guards a second contract unless they are elite. This is McG last year then he will move on
Smith was taken to replace Tyron but that’s two years away barring injury. So you use him at LG until then and get value out of the time he’s not the LT

- Even worse than Williams, because McGovern never became a true starter,. he only got the LG starting role. Nov., because the penalties never ceased with CW.
Just as CW was benched ..the other Conner (McGovern) eventually got benched himself, ..and McGovern was never a thought again as a solution at LG.

- Eventually when Tyler does move over to permanently replace Tyron as long term LT,.. we'll be looking for a new LG role again. And by that time, Gov will either be
cut or let his current contract dry out and he departs.
The other part about McGovern only being able to play RG okay, is he also limits you.
If he has to play LG in an injury pinch, he will also struggle at LG in a pinch.

- Imo, i still don't think Joe Philibin is particular fond of McGovern, but i think situations forced him otherwise to play Gov. since he's been here.
If there becomes other competitors that surprisingly emerge this summer as flex OG/C roles, i wouldn't be surprised if Gov even suits up, traded or even cut.
It would only leave me questioning, how did we get it wrong with drafting the Gov ?

 

[Ranching]

Thanks but -- that's like giving $10 for a bite of food to an alcoholic wino! I did that one time to an old printer I worked with. The next 20 minutes, when I turned around at the window, he was taking a bus out of town for parts unknown. It plays havoc with one's faith in human nature!

Why are calling him a butt?

 

[Cowboyny]

That’s sure the plan
He was drafted because they see LT traits in him
Personally I’d let him learn guard this camp and work in tackle next year. Perfect one rather than trying to learn both as a rookie
But they think he can learn both and play both
But I don’t think there was ever doubt he was drafted to replace Tyron after next season when his contract is up

I think Tyron has 2 years left on his deal, but he could be playing his final yr with the team.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm with hoping Tyler can stay at LG only....I think it would be a setback on several levels for him to be the 1st backup at LT.

(Also keep in mind if it happens mid game vs during the week it may be two different options)

I would guess it depends on what they see in camp and how ready Ball and/or Waletzko are.

Worst case I don't see it being difficult to find a vet swing after cuts or via trade.

The team has options there and things need to play out....but Tyron being healthy is just under Prescott as far as players we must have available.

Of course you don't want to lose a Parsons or Diggs but the drop-off to the backup isn't so drastic, and the QBs health isn't at stake if they miss time.

I think they saw some right sided players struggle when they moved to the other side, both Steele and McGovern weren't as effective there. To be fair, they were practicing on that side all season, some struggle with the switch.

 

[conner01]

- Even worse than Williams, because McGovern never became a true starter,. he only got the LG starting role. Nov., because the penalties never ceased with CW.
Just as CW was benched ..the other Conner (McGovern) eventually got benched himself, ..and McGovern was never a thought again as a solution at LG.

- Eventually when Tyler does move over to permanently replace Tyron as long term LT,.. we'll be looking for a new LG role again. And by that time, Gov will either be
cut or let his current contract dry out and he departs.
The other part about McGovern only being able to play RG okay, is he also limits you.
If he has to play LG in an injury pinch, he will also struggle at LG in a pinch.

- Imo, i still don't think Joe Philibin is particular fond of McGovern, but i think situations forced him otherwise to play Gov. since he's been here.
If there becomes other competitors that surprisingly emerge this summer as flex OG/C roles, i wouldn't be surprised if Gov even suits up, traded or even cut.
It would only leave me questioning, how did we get it wrong with drafting the Gov ?

I’m not sure they got it wrong
Like CW, CM will be playing a long time in the nfl. He is a FA after this season and he will be gone as he should be. The only guards you want to give a second contract to are Martin level and they are rare. The rest you just churn them. That’s how you afford to pay elite players is churning those that are average to good.
As for swing G/C I think Farniok will give him some some competition. Once you get a guy it really doesn’t matter if they were a 3rd or 5th. If they can play you play them. We seen very little of Farniok but in the reps he got he played solid and plays with a little attitude. After next year Tyron will be gone and smith will slide over so it’s not something we have to deal with now unless there is an injury. Then you’ve got Farniok and MCGovern to pick from and hopefully one of them can hold the spot down and play decent. We could also see one of the other tackles get reps at guard too