I believe Tyler Smith will be the backup LT, starting LG

[Cowboyny]

McGovern only playing right OG, was and is ...a problem because he was far more thought of a possible replacement for Williams, on the left side,.. should CW depart in FA,..
We did not draft McGovern in the 3rd rd. to compete with Zack Martin at RG .. he wasn't gonna replace a Zack Martin.

Whatever his issues were physically or mentally, Gov was obviously such a disappointment that the club sought a new rookie starter day one in the NFL draft.
And either McGovern is at least a decent backup or if he's that bad in camp, i can even see him being a likely surprise cut off the 53 man roster.
if they manage to collect a couple of more depth competition guys.

Definitely a major disappointment based on his draft status, think he is safe, but what happens if Farniok beats him out.

 

[Cowboyny]

of course McGovern taking reps inside at both OG and C.., what else is he gonna play ... OT ?

We'll see how it runs in training camp, but this time last year, it's was far more about the other Conner (Williams) as a center flex., and McGovern was left out the C equation
until very much later into the season.

But when we're talking about the game day active roster., and you can only suit up so many (which is such a stupid rule anyway, imo) .. it's very essential and benefiting if he
can play center as a backup.

I think Farniok could unseat him as the game day swing, if he fails to win the Center job. Heard good things about him, even as a Guard. McGovern isn't liked by our OL coach and he won't return when his contract expires.

 

[Cowboyny]

of course McGovern taking reps inside at both OG and C.., what else is he gonna play ... OT ?

We'll see how it runs in training camp, but this time last year, it's was far more about the other Conner (Williams) as a center flex., and McGovern was left out the C equation
until very much later into the season.

But when we're talking about the game day active roster., and you can only suit up so many (which is such a stupid rule anyway, imo) .. it's very essential and benefiting if he
can play center as a backup.

I think he was drafted under Columbo, who ran more of a power scheme, McGovern just might be a real poor fit for zone.

 

[quickccc]

Definitely a major disappointment based on his draft status, think he is safe, but what happens if Farniok beats him out.

then it comes down to how many backup-flex swing OL guys they want to dress up for the game day active list .
How well .. or less regard the OL coach thinks of McGovern vs Farniok ...

How many backups do we carry on game day list ? .... seven ? . ..eight ? how many interior backups .. how many swing OTs ?

 

[quickccc]

I think he was drafted under Columbo, who ran more of a power scheme, McGovern just might be a real poor fit for zone.

that's why i'd believe in scouting and drafting OLinemen prospects that are interchangeable and adaptable to whichever scheme.

And what if this is Joe Philibin last year as OL coach ?

 

[quickccc]

I’m not sure they got it wrong
Like CW, CM will be playing a long time in the nfl. He is a FA after this season and he will be gone as he should be. The only guards you want to give a second contract to are Martin level and they are rare. The rest you just churn them. That’s how you afford to pay elite players is churning those that are average to good.
As for swing G/C I think Farniok will give him some some competition. Once you get a guy it really doesn’t matter if they were a 3rd or 5th. If they can play you play them. We seen very little of Farniok but in the reps he got he played solid and plays with a little attitude. After next year Tyron will be gone and smith will slide over so it’s not something we have to deal with now unless there is an injury. Then you’ve got Farniok and MCGovern to pick from and hopefully one of them can hold the spot down and play decent. We could also see one of the other tackles get reps at guard too

- If we’re drafting a brand new starter who is brand new and raw at the OG role at the NFL level …. vs one who was supposed to be highly regarded OG coming out of Penn St. and one they had graded as a 2nd rd pick value, but has failed miserably thus far,
Then I can say that’s an indication that they got it wrong.

- That’s make it a re-do all over again at the LG spot, to which the last 2 draftees fail to make the expected impression. That’s two wasted high picks at the same position.
Both Conners will still be playing in the NFL... but it won’t be for the very team that spend and invested two high picks in them.

- And as I’ve mentioned in a previous post, With Tyler a likely candidate to eventually move over to permanent LT down the road when Tyron days as a Cowboy are over.
We’ll still need a long term solution "again" at starting LG.

- And my future starting OGs with re-signed big contracts don’t have to be Zack Martins. I don’t have to have rare HOFers, I can make do with quality OGs that develop into
eventual Pro bowlers and high quality OGs,
..Alex Cappa Bucs, .. Wyatt Teller and Joel Bitinnio of the Clev Browns, …Kevin Zeitler Ravens ..Elgeton Jenkins, GB...Joe Thuney KC,

- And there’s been a great many of those quality types down the pipe line. That’s what we were aiming to have in either of the two Conners.

 

[conner01]

- If we’re drafting a brand new starter who is brand new and raw at the OG role at the NFL level …. vs one who was supposed to be highly regarded OG coming out of Penn St. and one they had graded as a 2nd rd pick value, but has failed miserably thus far,
Then I can say that’s an indication that they got it wrong.

- That’s make it a re-do all over again at the LG spot, to which the last 2 draftees fail to make the expected impression. That’s two wasted high picks at the same position.
Both Conners will still be playing in the NFL... but it won’t be for the very team that spend and invested two high picks in them.

- And as I’ve mentioned in a previous post, With Tyler a likely candidate to eventually move over to permanent LT down the road when Tyron days as a Cowboy are over.
We’ll still need a long term solution "again" at starting LG.

- And my future starting OGs with re-signed big contracts don’t have to be Zack Martins. I don’t have to have rare HOFers, I can make do with quality OGs that develop into
eventual Pro bowlers and high quality OGs,
..Alex Cappa Bucs, .. Wyatt Teller and Joel Bitinnio of the Clev Browns, …Kevin Zeitler Ravens ..Elgeton Jenkins, GB...Joe Thuney KC,

- And there’s been a great many of those quality types down the pipe line. That’s what we were aiming to have in either of the two Conners.

A quality player costs to much
You can’t have all the oline on second contracts
The math just doesn’t work
Tyron has two years left but is a HOF player
We had Fred and then Martin
Having 3 guys on the oline making big money is tough
4 or 5 is impossible
You have to churn a couple of those guys just to make the dollars work and guard is the ideal spot because they are relatively easy to find in the draft
If you get a really good center or LT you have to keep them, if you get an elite guard you keep him, but you have to churn the others to make it work financially

 

[conner01]

I think Tyron has 2 years left on his deal, but he could be playing his final yr with the team.

Depends on health this year
If he stays relatively healthy I think he plays out
If he misses half the season it could be his last but Jerry really likes Tyron and has been close to him over the years. Even helped him with his family issues early in his career

 

[quickccc]

A quality player costs to much
You can’t have all the oline on second contracts
The math just doesn’t work
Tyron has two years left but is a HOF player
We had Fred and then Martin
Having 3 guys on the oline making big money is tough
4 or 5 is impossible
You have to churn a couple of those guys just to make the dollars work and guard is the ideal spot because they are relatively easy to find in the draft
If you get a really good center or LT you have to keep them, if you get an elite guard you keep him, but you have to churn the others to make it work financially

Pleeeaz ... the Rams are still doing the math ... and proving the math in regards to still dishing out high paid contracts to acquire trade value players, re-signed valued
players as well as recruiting heralded vet players ... if it ever came down to re-signing the entire OL the Cowboys could do that. - they were one player away from
doing so with CWilliams ,.. And then the injuries dispersed that wall.

It's a matter of knowing how to manipulate the salary cap, and a willing to aggressively and cleverly manipulating the salary cap ... frankly i dunno which side
is Stephen Jones on .. or does he have his legs over both sides of the fence ?

It's about who you value more ... are those players warranted of 2nd contracts ..and how you prefer to slice up that contract, .
and you don't have to invest in as many high priced vet FA either when it comes to the OL ... that's what the NFL draft is for, that's how we got
the likes of Martin, Travis and Tyron.

But the problem there is we cannot be getting a returned investment high draft round pick busts, disappointing OGs such as the Conners.
That's a huge step back, twice.

 

[Pass2Run]

Position flex is good in an emergency, but a raw young player should focus on just one position.
They almost ruined Byron Jones with this flex business.

Position flex is important on game day because you have to formulate/prepare a roster for certain teams. And being able to move around, split moment, in the middle of the game is important.

It's like McCarthy was saying. When he looks at players, he's looking whether or not they do two things. Because, aside for QB and kicker, if you don't do two things, you're probably not going to suit up for game day.

 

[john van brocklin]

Position flex is important on game day because you have to formulate/prepare a roster for certain teams. And being able to move around, split moment, in the middle of the game is important.

It's like McCarthy was saying. When he looks at players, he's looking whether or not they do two things. Because, aside for QB and kicker, if you don't do two things, you're probably not going to suit up for game day.

This is good to a point.
A young raw player player needs to focus on one position.

 

[Pass2Run]

This is good to a point.
A young raw player player needs to focus on one position.

I think that's the plan for Tyler. Then again, I think he will take snaps at LT just in case they only take certain guys on gameday, and then Tyron gets hurt. Maybe they take a back up to Smith and just move young Tyler over to LT, mid-game. He has to be ready for that kind of thing. But I honestly think his natural position is guard. You want to get him some snaps at LT. He can make more money there, and I'm sure he knows that. So he'll want to play well there. Then again, he's willing to do whatever coaches ask him. And that means he'll likely be our LG for many years to come, hopefully. It's nice that he has the skillset to play both. Keep in mind he profiles very well as a guard. He profiles well as a tackle, too. Just better as a guard.

What I'm saying about the roster does matter though. Because that's the predicament they face on gameday. Which guys do you take on the 45 man active roster, and why?

Doing two things gives you reason to take those ceratain guys.

 

[john van brocklin]

I think that's the plan for Tyler. Then again, I think he will take snaps at LT just in case they only take certain guys on gameday, and then Tyron gets hurt. Maybe they take a back up to Smith and just move young Tyler over to LT, mid-game. He has to be ready for that kind of thing. But I honestly think his natural position is guard. You want to get him some snaps at LT. He can make more money there, and I'm sure he knows that. So he'll want to play well there. Then again, he's willing to do whatever coaches ask him. And that means he'll likely be our LG for many years to come, hopefully. It's nice that he has the skillset to play both. Keep in mind he profiles very well as a guard. He profiles well as a tackle, too. Just better as a guard.

Have no problem with him going to LT
Eventually
Just let him settle in at guard for now.

 

[Pass2Run]

Have no problem with him going to LT
Eventually
Just let him settle in at guard for now.

I generally agree. I think he understands the differences and dynamics of both positions. He did play left tackle in college. And he was a beast over there when he wasn't holding.

He's a smart guy, though. I don't think he'll have any issues settling in at guard.

This is all just to get a look at what they got.

I get your concern though.

 

[john van brocklin]

I generally agree.

Well thank you!
Great minds think alike

 

[Cowboyny]

that's why i'd believe in scouting and drafting OLinemen prospects that are interchangeable and adaptable to whichever scheme.

And what if this is Joe Philibin last year as OL coach ?

Could be doing this again. Good thing is Tyler can play in either blocking scheme

 

[Cowboyny]

then it comes down to how many backup-flex swing OL guys they want to dress up for the game day active list .
How well .. or less regard the OL coach thinks of McGovern vs Farniok ...

How many backups do we carry on game day list ? .... seven ? . ..eight ? how many interior backups .. how many swing OTs ?

Need a center and a tackle on game days, not sure how many they dress on a given game

 

[quickccc]

Need a center and a tackle on game days, not sure how many they dress on a given game

that's why i can see those backup swing tackles playing some OG this summer ..and i believe Farkiok has being seeing time this mini at center
and he played some OG in preseason.

i'm figuring undrafted center guys like Lindstrom and Empey will also get a look at OG as well at some point,..