I Don't Trust Guys Who Don't Like Football

[ilovejerry]

so I take it you were the kicker for your football team? cause I strongly disagree that Soccer is far the most physically demanding of them all. I played football and basketball which are more physically demanding than soccer.

I beg to differ to differ Ice Hockey is...

 

[daschoo]

Dasch, a good helmet alone costs more then anything a soccer player needs.
Shoulder pads are not cheap either. Nor are the hip pads or the shoes.
Sorry, your arguement sinks like the titanic.

i don't see how to be honest. to play at the top level the equipment you need is more expensive i never argued otherwise, my only argument was with your point that the only reason i like soccer is because i'm apparantly poor (i decided not to repond to the uneducated part ) the point i was trying to get across with my question about wearing pads etc as a youngster in the parks or wherever (which you never answered) was that while yes the cost is prohibitive at a highly competitive level the opportunity is surely there for your average poor person to play casually with the same equipment as they would require for soccer ie a ball?
you don't like soccer thats fair enough nobody is going to make you watch it but having a go at the sport and its followers doesn't make you any more of a fan of american football. like i've said several times in this thread i'm not interested in getting involved in an argument over which is better as i wil always first and foremost be a celtic (and soccer in general) fan but that doesn't take away from my new found enjoyment i get from sitting up till 4 in the morning watching the cowboys or watching other nfl games at a more sensible hour.

 

[Biggems]

IMO, there needs to be more Flag football leagues for kids.

The reason I like flag football, is cause it is much easier to grab a flag than tackle someone.....so the ball carrier has to be that much more elusive. If I am not mistaken, either Barry Sanders or LT credit flag football for making them so elusive and developing so many great moves and good footwork.

I think regular Pee-Wee football, supplemented with Flag football, gives the kids a well rounded experience and allows them to grow as players....at least offensively.

 

[ilovejerry]

Almost there..................

Besides "A League of their Own" and "Million Dollar Baby", name for me any "chick" movie having to do with sports.............?

You can't, because IT'S OUR DOMAIN! Especially football.

Don't even get me started on the list of "guy/sport" flicks. No women, no children, no "soccer" stuff, none of that crap.

Every great "guy/sports" movie (Rocky, Feild of Dreams, Hoosiers, Rudy, etc, etc, etc............) is nothing but "GUY, GUY, GUY, MAN, MAN, MAN", but nobody wants to admit it. It ain't "PC".

Every great Mob movie or Cop movie or "Batman" type movie..........same thing. No "soccer" dudes, no sissy crap. At least I admit it and say it out loud, at the expense of the name-callers. It is what it is. It's what sells.

Go see "Saving Private Ryan", "The Godfather", "Hoosiers" or "Rocky" and tell me where in the movie is the soccer guy? He ain't there, because it doesn't sell in this country.

In fact, I would ask anyone on this board to admit that he went to the movies, uncoerced by the wife, and paid to see "Milk" or "Brokeback Mountain"! Step up and tell us..................

I'm waiting.........................

The total is ZERO. Because that's what Hos was talking about in the OP. Football in America. Men. Manhood. Life for men in America. And Soccer and "Milk" wasn't on his mind when he started this thread.......................

I watched Milk and BBM, the acting performances were unbelievably brave, I would watch what I say, Your treading on something you don't understand. Your comments were every reason why allot of my Friends don't like sports..Closed minded Neanderthals..My wife didnt coerce me to see them by the way.

 

[ilovejerry]

This, in a nutshell, is why educated people of the world hate America.

wow ........

 

[ilovejerry]

I loved this thread early this morning and hate it now.

Thank you to those who liked the post.

Forgot to mention,
Nice read, great post..I love you passion..
Go boys !!

 

[tomson75]

Lmao...sometimes I forget why I have some posters on ignore. Multiple quoted posts in this thread have now reminded me of why at least one of those posters is.....

 

[jackrussell]

Lmao...sometimes I forget why I have some posters on ignore. Multiple quoted posts in this thread have now reminded me of why at least one of those posters is.....

Saaaaalute!

 

[CriscoKidd]

I haven't read all of these posts and I'm not going to. I just going to throw this out there:

I do love watching football. It entertains me. But at the same time sometimes I wish it didn't. When you get right down to it, it's a pretty trivial way to spend your time, especially if all you're doing is just watching, and not competing yourself. If you are competing, at least you are getting something out of it.

I think it's flat out ridiculous that some people are looking down on others for not caring about football. Seriously? I think it's much more sad that most people don't pick up a ****ing book to read. Not even a good book, just a book period. Most people don't give a **** about learning what's outside their comfort zone. They just sit there, trudge through what is a difficult life, and stay glued to the opiate that is tv. And sports is a huge part of that.

It's ****ing ridiculous some of the cash that freaking high schools put into football when that should be such a minor aspect of education. I've seen a podunk town shell out a ton of money for a fancy titantron scoreboard when they wont even provide textbooks for their kids to take home to study with.

Ugh, I'm done for now ...

 

[vta]

I haven't read all of these posts and I'm not going to. I just going to throw this out there:

I do love watching football. It entertains me. But at the same time sometimes I wish it didn't. When you get right down to it, it's a pretty trivial way to spend your time, especially if all you're doing is just watching, and not competing yourself. If you are competing, at least you are getting something out of it.

I think it's flat out ridiculous that some people are looking down on others for not caring about football. Seriously? I think it's much more sad that most people don't pick up a ****ing book to read. Not even a good book, just a book period. Most people don't give a **** about learning what's outside their comfort zone. They just sit there, trudge through what is a difficult life, and stay glued to the opiate that is tv. And sports is a huge part of that.

It's ****ing ridiculous some of the cash that freaking high schools put into football when that should be such a minor aspect of education. I've seen a podunk town shell out a ton of money for a fancy titantron scoreboard when they wont even provide textbooks for their kids to take home to study with.

Ugh, I'm done for now ...

Eh, Kidd, it's simply an aspect of life. A passionately held aspect but an aspect. You should stop lamenting others comfort zones, because you don't possess enough info about them to make such an assertion. This is a football forum, where people talk football, not their favorite authors or the last good book they read.

If the happenings in a football forum distresses you, and causes such a shallow vision of the state of the world, by all means avoid it and feel better for doing so.

But make sure not to cry in a book forum about the state of the world and how readers don't give a **** about sports, or what have you.

 

[ilovejerry]

I haven't read all of these posts and I'm not going to. I just going to throw this out there:

I do love watching football. It entertains me. But at the same time sometimes I wish it didn't. When you get right down to it, it's a pretty trivial way to spend your time, especially if all you're doing is just watching, and not competing yourself. If you are competing, at least you are getting something out of it.

I think it's flat out ridiculous that some people are looking down on others for not caring about football. Seriously? I think it's much more sad that most people don't pick up a ****ing book to read. Not even a good book, just a book period. Most people don't give a **** about learning what's outside their comfort zone. They just sit there, trudge through what is a difficult life, and stay glued to the opiate that is tv. And sports is a huge part of that.

It's ****ing ridiculous some of the cash that freaking high schools put into football when that should be such a minor aspect of education. I've seen a podunk town shell out a ton of money for a fancy titantron scoreboard when they wont even provide textbooks for their kids to take home to study with.

Ugh, I'm done for now ...

Harlan Ellison called television "The Glass Teat", referring to it as the new "opium of the masses" or the tool what makes all men numb and dumb.

 

[CriscoKidd]

Eh, Kidd, it's simply an aspect of life. A passionately held aspect but an aspect. You should stop lamenting others comfort zones, because you don't possess enough info about them to make such an assertion. This is a football forum, where people talk football, not their favorite authors or the last good book they read.

If the happenings in a football forum distresses you, and causes such a shallow vision of the state of the world, by all means avoid it and feel better for doing so.

But make sure not to cry in a book forum about the state of the world and how readers don't give a **** about sports, or what have you.

Awww, did I strike a nerve? So sad.

I'm not criticizing anyone in here. I've made no assumptions in here about anyone. The only thing I've really found stupid is some posters looking down on others because they don't care about football.

But if you don't think there aren't a whole bunch of people that make watching football and being a fan way more important than it actually is, then you are deluding yourself.

 

[CriscoKidd]

Harlan Ellison called television "The Glass Teat", referring to it as the new "opium of the masses" or the tool what makes all men numb and dumb.

It certainly can be. It depends on how much one lets it consume them.

I don't think its wrong or stupid to be entertained by football and be a fan, but I certainly don't think it's strange to find enjoyment via some other means.

 

[the kid 05]

Awww, did I strike a nerve? So sad.

I'm not criticizing anyone in here. I've made no assumptions in here about anyone. The only thing I've really found stupid is some posters looking down on others because they don't care about football.

But if you don't think there aren't a whole bunch of people that make watching football and being a fan way more important than it actually is, than you are deluding yourself.

why come to a National FOOTBALL league's team's FAN BASED discussion board and not care about football?

same could be said about any sport, but live a life of no passion, no intensity and ill give the a dull man

 

[CriscoKidd]

why come to a National FOOTBALL league's team's FAN BASED discussion board and not care about football?

same could be said about any sport, but live a life of no passion, no intensity and ill give the a dull man

Because I'm a fan.

and it's possible live an interesting, intense and passionate life w/o caring about sports btw.

 

[The30YardSlant]

To everyone who felt the need to defend soccer in this thread: Please turn in your man card, cut off your junk, pack your things and catch the first avaliable flight to France or Brazil. Thanks.

 

[casmith07]

Makes me think back to when I used to play. I think aside from taking an interception to the house, the greatest feeling was lining up on the kickoff team and that time right before the ball is kicked and you know you're about to run 30 yards down field and hit someone...

Great game!!

 

[SDogo]

Great post Hos

Football takes on a bit of a deeper meaning for me.

My father and I have never really been close. I'm 33 years old and can honestly say, we never did the things we all envision we will do with our kids. My father and I never tossed the ball around in the back yard, we never played catch, we never shot hoops....Until I was 18 I only say my father cry once. That was when his own father died. Until I was 18 I never heard my father say I love you, I guess I always knew it was a given. My father had a very short temper, it made it real hard to talk to him. Though he was never abusive, there was a fear.

Football had a way of bonding what little connection we had. I grew up a Cowboys fans more then anything because my father is an Eagles fan. He tried really hard to influence me, a have loads of pictures of me at an impressionable age dressed in Eagles pajama's. It never worked but in the end, it probably was a blessing. It allowed me an outlet, some thing to hold over his head. While it was all in good fun, part of me felt as if it was "take that" each time the Cowboy beat the Eagles.

In high school I was highly involved in sports. Basketball, Track, Volleyball, Wrestling and Football. Football was my passion. I'm from a football family. My cousin Forest Blue was a All-Pro center with the SF 49ers, I'm a distance relative of William Heffelfinger, my great grandfather was a player on the first American Professional Football team known as the Canton Bulldogs. 4th one on from the left. This picture hangs in the HOF, little known to the NFL or the HOF, the original that in those times were printed in cloth resides in my home. Handed down to my grandmother from her mother and then from my grandmother to my father and then from my father to me. In it's original frame, my great grandfather marked by the lipstick circle my great-grandmother place on the glass.

I guess it was in my blood. I was addicted to the game and became even more so when for the first time my father took intrest in my passion. He attended all my games. Became known as the crazy father on the team. One time even storming onto the field after a player of another team kicked our QB in the head while he was down. Another time we just beat the top ranked team in the state, they had 4 OL and 3 DL all heading to D1 schools. Our front dominated them, playing OT I made sure of it. I also blocked the XP on their last TD, we won by 1 point. My father rushed the field as time expired, claiming the new powers of the state.

All those memories and many more are all I really have of our father son realtionship but it was my last game of my Senior Year, the last time I would ever put on pads for my highschool team that changed a realtionship between a father and his son and would forge the way this father raised his own.

It was a State Championship game. We were playing a school we had no right being on the field with. The school was twice our size, they were loaded with D1 prospects across the board. We played our hearts out be we never stood a chance. When the scoreboard finally ran out I could of cared less if we won or lost, my emotions were going to be the same.

I realized I may of just put on football pads for the last time. I may of just played my last game with my brothers whome I have been batteling with for 5 or 6 years. I was over come with emotion. I never sobbed so hard in my life, I could not stand up, my heart was broke. I still tear up to this day remembering how it felt.

As I looked around, trying to pull myself up there was my father. Hundreds of people around, I could only see him walking towards me. He reached down and picked me up, tears filled his eyes, those tears I only saw that one time back when his father died. He picked me up off the ground, looked me in the face and put his arms around me, told me how proud I have made him and then for the first time in my child hood, for the first time I can ever remember he told me he loved me.

We never played catch, we never attended a game, we never talked, we never said "I love you" but that one winter day, when a game for kids was played, I became a man and my father became......a father. All was forgiven. That one time what was always just assumed was verified.

Don't ever tell me football is just a game. For me, it a bond between a father and son. It's unspoken words, it's the answers your looking for, it's a right of passage, it's family history and it's getting passed onto my sons.

I see the passion in their eyes and thanks to that one game, unlike my father, I'm going to be there the whole way. Catch in the back yard and tickets to the ball game. Then that one day, when they are putting on the pads for the last time and I'm picking them up off the field I'm going to tell them how proud I am and how much I love them. I'm then going to hope because I was a better father then my father was that they will go on and be better fathers then me but I will never forget.

It all started with a game, it all started with Football.

 

[vta]

Awww, did I strike a nerve? So sad.

No, not really. Just a pragmatic response to a poorly placed rant, is all.
Sorry to have highlighted that fact.

 

[LeonDixson]

Great post Hos

Football takes on a bit of a deeper meaning for me.

My father and I have never really been close. I'm 33 years old and can honestly say, we never did the things we all envision we will do with our kids. My father and I never tossed the ball around in the back yard, we never played catch, we never shot hoops....Until I was 18 I only say my father cry once. That was when his own father died. Until I was 18 I never heard my father say I love you, I guess I always knew it was a given. My father had a very short temper, it made it real hard to talk to him. Though he was never abusive, there was a fear.

Football had a way of bonding what little connection we had. I grew up a Cowboys fans more then anything because my father is an Eagles fan. He tried really hard to influence me, a have loads of pictures of me at an impressionable age dressed in Eagles pajama's. It never worked but in the end, it probably was a blessing. It allowed me an outlet, some thing to hold over his head. While it was all in good fun, part of me felt as if it was "take that" each time the Cowboy beat the Eagles.

In high school I was highly involved in sports. Basketball, Track, Volleyball, Wrestling and Football. Football was my passion. I'm from a football family. My cousin Forest Blue was a All-Pro center with the SF 49ers, I'm a distance relative of William Heffelfinger, my great grandfather was a player on the first American Professional Football team known as the Canton Bulldogs. 4th one on from the left. This picture hangs in the HOF, little known to the NFL or the HOF, the original that in those times were printed in cloth resides in my home. Handed down to my grandmother from her mother and then from my grandmother to my father and then from my father to me. In it's original frame, my great grandfather marked by the lipstick circle my great-grandmother place on the glass.

I guess it was in my blood. I was addicted to the game and became even more so when for the first time my father took intrest in my passion. He attended all my games. Became known as the crazy father on the team. One time even storming onto the field after a player of another team kicked our QB in the head while he was down. Another time we just beat the top ranked team in the state, they had 4 OL and 3 DL all heading to D1 schools. Our front dominated them, playing OT I made sure of it. I also blocked the XP on their last TD, we won by 1 point. My father rushed the field as time expired, claiming the new powers of the state.

All those memories and many more are all I really have of our father son realtionship but it was my last game of my Senior Year, the last time I would ever put on pads for my highschool team that changed a realtionship between a father and his son and would forge the way this father raised his own.

It was a State Championship game. We were playing a school we had no right being on the field with. The school was twice our size, they were loaded with D1 prospects across the board. We played our hearts out be we never stood a chance. When the scoreboard finally ran out I could of cared less if we won or lost, my emotions were going to be the same.

I realized I may of just put on football pads for the last time. I may of just played my last game with my brothers whome I have been batteling with for 5 or 6 years. I was over come with emotion. I never sobbed so hard in my life, I could not stand up, my heart was broke. I still tear up to this day remembering how it felt.

As I looked around, trying to pull myself up there was my father. Hundreds of people around, I could only see him walking towards me. He reached down and picked me up, tears filled his eyes, those tears I only saw that one time back when his father died. He picked me up off the ground, looked me in the face and put his arms around me, told me how proud I have made him and then for the first time in my child hood, for the first time I can ever remember he told me he loved me.

We never played catch, we never attended a game, we never talked, we never said "I love you" but that one winter day, when a game for kids was played, I became a man and my father became......a father. All was forgiven. That one time what was always just assumed was verified.

Don't ever tell me football is just a game. For me, it a bond between a father and son. It's unspoken words, it's the answers your looking for, it's a right of passage, it's family history and it's getting passed onto my sons.

I see the passion in their eyes and thanks to that one game, unlike my father, I'm going to be there the whole way. Catch in the back yard and tickets to the ball game. Then that one day, when they are putting on the pads for the last time and I'm picking them up off the field I'm going to tell them how proud I am and how much I love them. I'm then going to hope because I was a better father then my father was that they will go on and be better fathers then me but I will never forget.

It all started with a game, it all started with Football.

That's a beautiful story.