I don't understand why so many on here want to draft a CB

[Hardline]

My method of upgrading the secondary is upgrading the front seven instead.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

My method of upgrading the secondary is upgrading the front seven instead.

I agree with this, I think with a better pass rush Carr and Scandrick will be adequate. The Cowboys have just not been very good at allocating CB help, despite the overspending, (Carr/Claiborne/Jenkins). I don't mind them drafting a few CBs in the draft, just not with the first or even the second round pick.

 

[Rockport]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

No offense but I'm sure glad you're not calling the shots.if. CB is the BPA at 27 you draft him. You've got to have good CB's. We currently have one undersized one.

 

[btcutter]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

How the pendulum has swung from $50 million dollar CB and trade up for best CB in the draft to don't need a 1sr round CB anymore.

Truth lies somewhere in between as always. I don't think anyone would argue that CB is a need given uncertainties with Claiborne and Carr. The question is value and best available at pick 27.

I'm all for shoring up the DL but not going to force picking the # 10 th DL vs # 3 CB. We are lucky that this draft happens to be deep foe our needs at CB, DL and RB. If we are lucky I would love to trade down to beginning of the 2nd and pick up extra 3rd. That gives us 4 picks in the top 100. Hope to hit on 75 % so 3 starters would go along ways to improving this team in very aspect. Not only allows for a SB run but success long term.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm all for shoring up the DL but not going to force picking the # 10 th DL vs # 3 CB.

Exactly.

Forcing a DL pick is what got this team guys like Shante Carver.

 

[xwalker]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

Despite the hype, that is not that much difference in Gordon/Coleman than in some of the other RBs in this draft. Gurley is the only clear cut wow RB.

Coleman/Gordon have a lot of similarities to McFadden; although, McFadden probably still wins a foot race with them.

 

[CF74]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

The thing about drafting in the first round is you want an immediate Impact player. If you go CB he better be a guy who can produce picks and run back punts to the house. I don't know if that guy will be there at 27 but one of those Top 3 Backs will. After hearing/reading Coleman played with a broken foot I'm tempted to say he's worthy of the 27th pick.. Whoever we choose needs to be an impact player or else we need to trade down.. And for the record Martin turned out to be an impact player...

 

[ColeBeasley11]

We were 26th in the NFL against the pass, obviously pass rush was a big part of it but Carr was brutal for a large portion of the season I don't know how ppl didn't see this. You didn't see Scandricks man open every play. Not too mention Carr and Claiborne are gone after next year. We have 1 good one it's a passing league you need multiple good CB's.

 

[xwalker]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

The Patriots won the SB with Blount coming back mid-season and playing a lot of snaps. Their 1 big splurge was paying CB Revis 12M+.

You want immediate impact, but the only RB worth a 1st round pick is Gurley and he might have to start the season on the PUP. The #2 guy is not even a consensus. Gordon gets the most love but it's far from a consensus that he is #2. There is a significant possibility that the 2nd best RB in this draft is not even Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi.

If you want big runs behind the Cowboys top notch OLine, then Darren McFadden has as good a chance to do that as anybody. Even now he is probably faster than most of the RBs in this draft. He is a guy that has to have some blocking in order to succeed. Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi would have the same issues running behind the OLines that McFadden ran behind. A guy like Duke Johnson would have been a better option running behind the bad OLines that McFadden had to endure than guys like Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi but that does not mean that he is the better option running behind a good OL; although, he might be.

The modern NFL is a pass happy league. Many teams (Green Bay) thrive on the quick pass that minimizes the impact of pass rushing. You have to be able to cover in the modern NFL but CBs in Marinelli scheme also need be able to come up to support the run. Those complete type CB are hard to find and are more likely to be in the 1st than available later.

 

[ColeBeasley11]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

RB's are a dime a dozen it's an easy position too fill. Their are not many really good CB's it's a tough position too fill. There's a reason it's one of the highest paid positions. Brandon Carr and AP both make 12 million, it's tough too find these guys.

 

[xwalker]

RB's are a dime a dozen it's an easy position too fill. Their are not many really good CB's it's a tough position too fill. There's a reason it's one of the highest paid positions. Brandon Carr and AP both make 12 million, it's tough too find these guys.

Yes, you get less value drafting a RB in the 1st because they tend to be much less expensive in free agency than a CB, WR, Pass Rusher, etc.. If a guy like Gordons' upside is DeMarco Murray then that's an 8M per year player if he leads the league in rushing. Meanwhile Dez turned down a 12M+ offer and Greg Hardy can get 13M after being out an entire year for legal problems.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Patriots won the SB with Blount coming back mid-season and playing a lot of snaps. Their 1 big splurge was paying CB Revis 12M+.

You want immediate impact, but the only RB worth a 1st round pick is Gurley and he might have to start the season on the PUP. The #2 guy is not even a consensus. Gordon gets the most love but it's far from a consensus that he is #2. There is a significant possibility that the 2nd best RB in this draft is not even Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi.

If you want big runs behind the Cowboys top notch OLine, then Darren McFadden has as good a chance to do that as anybody. Even now he is probably faster than most of the RBs in this draft. He is a guy that has to have some blocking in order to succeed. Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi would have the same issues running behind the OLines that McFadden ran behind. A guy like Duke Johnson would have been a better option running behind the bad OLines that McFadden had to endure than guys like Gordon/Coleman/Ajayi but that does not mean that he is the better option running behind a good OL; although, he might be.

The modern NFL is a pass happy league. Many teams (Green Bay) thrive on the quick pass that minimizes the impact of pass rushing. You have to be able to cover in the modern NFL but CBs in Marinelli scheme also need be able to come up to support the run. Those complete type CB are hard to find and are more likely to be in the 1st than available later.

Well said.

No way is Coleman worth dropping a 1st round pick on.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Why is Coleman a second round pick and reach? Why? Because of your cbssports rankings? The guy is a stud......I will wait till wednesday to prove you worng and we will revisit this. No need to trade down as NE might take him and he 100% for sure would not make it past the Jets second rounder. Can't wait till the 15th, I just hope he doesn't do too good and run a 4.3 40 and put him out of our range in the first. I hope he is one of those guys who plays faster with the pads on. Teams who could and most likely will be looking at running back are the Jets, Arizona, SD, Browns and Lions and they all draft before us.

Coleman is projected almost universally as a round 2-3 prospect, good luck with the notion that he will go in the first round unless there is a crazy run on RB's early which would be odd.

I personally believe he may be gone by #60 but that does not change his projection.

This is coming from someone who actually likes Telvin as a prospect for the Cowboys, so spare me the unnecessary dramatics.

We would do well if we were able to draft Telvin but there is absolutely no need to draft a 2-3 round talent in the first.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Coleman is projected almost universally as a round 2-3 prospect, good luck with the notion that he will go in the first round unless there is a crazy run on RB's early which would be odd.

I personally believe he may be gone by #60 but that does not change his projection.

This is coming from someone who actually likes Telvin as a prospect for the Cowboys, so spare me the unnecessary dramatics.

We would do well if we were able to draft Telvin but there absolutely no need to draft a 2-3 round talent in the first.

Agreed.

To go reaching for a RB in the 1st round is goofy.

Do folks forget that Murray was a 3rd rounder?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

I don't believe you are really a fan so I am not surprised that you are ignorant but I watched the Ware years where between he, Ratliff, Ellis, Spencer, Hatcher, etc over the years generating an excellent pass rush yet we couldn't get stops because teams would gameplan 3 step drops and short routes and guys like Reeves. Claiborne, Newman, Carr, Ball, and the rest of our garbage CB could not cover a kiddie pool with a tarp.

Pass rush makes it so you don't have to defend as long and deal with double moves but if your guys cannot cover at all then you have guys like Jackson, Smith, Cruz, and Moss taking 5 and 7 yard patterns to the house like we consistently saw.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed.

To go reaching for a RB in the 1st round is goofy.

Do folks forget that Murray was a 3rd rounder?

Yeldon reminds me a lot of Murray when he came out.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Corners that are 6' 200 lbs sub 4.50 40 sub 4.10 shuttle and sub 6.9 3 cone all go quick. If you want corner talent you have to pull the trigger early. Day 3 isn't going to get anything done.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeldon reminds me a lot of Murray when he came out.

Yeah, I could see that.

 

[Zekeats]

Coleman is projected almost universally as a round 2-3 prospect, good luck with the notion that he will go in the first round unless there is a crazy run on RB's early which would be odd.

I personally believe he may be gone by #60 but that does not change his projection.

This is coming from someone who actually likes Telvin as a prospect for the Cowboys, so spare me the unnecessary dramatics.

We would do well if we were able to draft Telvin but there is absolutely no need to draft a 2-3 round talent in the first.

So name me 60 players you would draft over him?

 

[Zekeats]

I don't believe you are really a fan so I am not surprised that you are ignorant but I watched the Ware years where between he, Ratliff, Ellis, Spencer, Hatcher, etc over the years generating an excellent pass rush yet we couldn't get stops because teams would gameplan 3 step drops and short routes and guys like Reeves. Claiborne, Newman, Carr, Ball, and the rest of our garbage CB could not cover a kiddie pool with a tarp.

Pass rush makes it so you don't have to defend as long and deal with double moves but if your guys cannot cover at all then you have guys like Jackson, Smith, Cruz, and Moss taking 5 and 7 yard patterns to the house like we consistently saw.

Oh, excuse me, I guess because I don't value the corner position the way you do I must not be considered a fan. Truth is the reason why our corner play hasn't been any good is because it is the hardest position to draft (see Mo Claiborne, the can't miss best corner since Deion Sanders), and you want to go out and draft a corner. So who are you going to draft? The work out warrior Jones, the amazing Kevin Johnson who in any other draft looks like a 2-3 round prospect.

You know something fans like you are why I shake my head. For the first time in 8 years we finally had a team again. That is because WE HAD AN OFFENSIVE LINE AND RAN THE BALL WITH A WORKHORSE RB. We got 12 wins with all the same corners you mentioned minus the amazing defensive line you mentioned. Now I am in no way saying to disregard corner as you always want the best players for any position but the number 1 reason why we got 12 wins was the offensive line and the RB, END OF STORY.