I don't understand why so many on here want to draft a CB

[Rogerthat12]

So name me 60 players you would draft over him?

Do your own research, Telvin is 2-3 round prospect, I like the player but not in the first.

 

[Alexander]

Exactly.

Forcing a DL pick is what got this team guys like Shante Carver.

Forcing a CB pick is what got this team players like Dwayne Goodrich also. And two other bust corners in the same draft the last time we entered one "needing" them.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Forcing a CB pick is what got this team players like Dwayne Goodrich also. And two other bust corners in the same draft the last time we entered one "needing" them.

Any time you force a pick you're asking for trouble.

Let the draft come to them.

 

[Risen Star]

Forcing a CB pick is what got this team players like Dwayne Goodrich also. And two other bust corners in the same draft the last time we entered one "needing" them.

As bad as that was, nothing will top 2012. 50 million for a dime a dozen Brandon Carr and the 14th and 45th overall selections in the draft for the right to select Morris Claiborne.

This was saluted on this board while I was "trolling".

Whenever I want to feel good about the Garrett regime I think back at that coat hanger abortion of an offseason. One of the most wasteful I've ever seen.

 

[Alexander]

Any time you force a pick you're asking for trouble.

Let the draft come to them.

That is why taking a CB in the first petrifies me. Unless they are an athletic phenom, it is difficult to factor them into the BPA philosophy.

Corners are about as hard to evaluate as any position on the field save quarterback. There is a reason it is one of the highest bust rate positions on the field.

It is extremely hard judge a corner's ability on tape because of limitations in schemes or especially their opportunities. Plus there are two of them. One corner could be horrible and gets targeted more often. The competition matters also. Poor passing games on opponents can make a difference in the look.

Physical attributes can be looked at and judged but a player "flipping his hips" etc. can be negated if they cannot judge the ball in the air. It is an exhaustive process to scout adequately.

Then comes coaching, I have zero faith in Henderson. I do not know if he gels with what the scheme needs. Technique can be taught, but I have not seen a lot of evidence he is able to do that. Marinelli had Hoke as his DB coach in Chicago and they could routinely take "zone" corners who were considered too short or slow but made them effective (see Hayden for example). That is a good way to tell if the teaching aspect is there.

 

[locked&loaded]

Despite the hype, that is not that much difference in Gordon/Coleman than in some of the other RBs in this draft. Gurley is the only clear cut wow RB.

Coleman/Gordon have a lot of similarities to McFadden; although, McFadden probably still wins a foot race with them.

Not worth it to get in a real argument because I doubt we will ever know the answer, but I really dont think Mcfadden is faster than either Coleman or Gordon. Especially if Felix Jones is any indicator of the trajectory of an NFL players 40 time over time.

 

[Alexander]

Whenever I want to feel good about the Garrett regime I think back at that coat hanger abortion of an offseason. One of the most wasteful I've ever seen.

It was incredibly awful and held this team back from taking a step forward. From the transparency of Ryan "I am only here for the CBs" at the Senior Bowl, to the Carr deal, to the trade, it was a prime example of a narrow thought process. That was also the offseason where the solution to a nagging OL issue was to sign Livings and Bernadeau.

 

[xwalker]

Not worth it to get in a real argument because I doubt we will ever know the answer, but I really dont think Mcfadden is faster than either Coleman or Gordon. Especially if Felix Jones is any indicator of the trajectory of an NFL players 40 time over time.

It was easy to see the Felix had lost his speed when he was still with the Cowboys. His problem was that he got fat and he had bulked up too much weight lifting prior to getting fat. The 2014 game footage still shows McFadden to be fast.

 

[JBS]

I don't want a CB either

I am coming around on Peters though...I'd prefer if a DL fell to us..or Gurley...but I wouldn't hate Peters at 27

 

[xwalker]

That is why taking a CB in the first petrifies me. Unless they are an athletic phenom, it is difficult to factor them into the BPA philosophy.

Corners are about as hard to evaluate as any position on the field save quarterback. There is a reason it is one of the highest bust rate positions on the field.

It is extremely hard judge a corner's ability on tape because of limitations in schemes or especially their opportunities. Plus there are two of them. One corner could be horrible and gets targeted more often. The competition matters also. Poor passing games on opponents can make a difference in the look.

Physical attributes can be looked at and judged but a player "flipping his hips" etc. can be negated if they cannot judge the ball in the air. It is an exhaustive process to scout adequately.

Then comes coaching, I have zero faith in Henderson. I do not know if he gels with what the scheme needs. Technique can be taught, but I have not seen a lot of evidence he is able to do that. Marinelli had Hoke as his DB coach in Chicago and they could routinely take "zone" corners who were considered too short or slow but made them effective (see Hayden for example). That is a good way to tell if the teaching aspect is there.

Hayden? Joe Hayden?.

 

[Alexander]

Hayden? Joe Hayden?.

No, Kelvin Hayden. Tim Jennings is another example of how they could find zone CBs with modest investments.

 

[ColeBeasley11]

Obviously Claiborne was a bust ppl acting like we should never draft one again lol...There are going too be a lot of good RB's in the second as everyone knows. Ppl act like we will suck if we don't pick a RB rd 1 that's just silly. I just know our secondary needs improvement I can't watch Eli or Sanchez pick us apart again.

 

[Zekeats]

Do your own research, Telvin is 2-3 round prospect, I like the player but not in the first.

So then name me 60 guys you would draft before him.....you can't even name 32

Oh and stop looking at the rankings....I can't wait till Wednesday when you and so many around here will look like the fools you are

 

[dallasdave]

To me the number one reason why this team succeeded is our running game. Now we did have great blocking up front but we did also have a great running back too. For anyone who thinks that McFadden will give us even half of what Murray did needs to put the pipe down. I do not understand how we could pass up one of the top 3 rbs all of whom have first round talent for a corner. To me its a no-brainer. Gurley, Gordon and Coleman should easily be the pick so we don't have such a drop off in the running game and one could argue it might even improve with the ability some of these guys have to break big runs more than Murray did. When was the last time a corner impacted a team so much to add to the win category? Give me the guys who touch the ball or are closest to the ball. Those guys produce WINS. QBs, RBs, Oline and Dline always in the first.

Get RB first, then draft 2 CBs

 

[Risen Star]

It was incredibly awful and held this team back from taking a step forward. From the transparency of Ryan "I am only here for the CBs" at the Senior Bowl, to the Carr deal, to the trade, it was a prime example of a narrow thought process. That was also the offseason where the solution to a nagging OL issue was to sign Livings and Bernadeau.

Right and the decision makers then are the same now. That's what scares me. It's pretty hard to have any respect for anyone involved in that offseason. Or anyone who supported it, for that matter.

 

[Rogerthat12]

So then name me 60 guys you would draft before him.....you can't even name 32

Oh and stop looking at the rankings....I can't wait till Wednesday when you and so many around here will look like the fools you are

Name calling is stupid, if there were no rankings, there would be no rounds in the draft or ways to differentiate players in terms of talent and ability.

It is pretty universal that Telvin is a 2-3 round prospect, it does not matter if he is better or worse than the projection in actuality, this is where he is projected to go regardless if you like it or not.

You can do your own research, it is not very hard, you will find his projection and a long list of players that are projected to go before him accordingly.

Again, I like the player but only at the right value and round.

 

[locked&loaded]

So then name me 60 guys you would draft before him.....you can't even name 32

Oh and stop looking at the rankings....I can't wait till Wednesday when you and so many around here will look like the fools you are

The draft isn't Wednesday, just so you know.

I get it you are expecting Coleman to run a 4.3 , but how does that vindicate everything you have said? He is expected to be fast, that doesnt change the fact that unless someone loves him he will be a 2nd-3rd round pick.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Right and the decision makers then are the same now. That's what scares me. It's pretty hard to have any respect for anyone involved in that offseason. Or anyone who supported it, for that matter.

Same guys brought us Dez, Frederick, Martin, Crawford, Murray, et al. Not fair to grade them on their best draft....or their worst. You look at the overall product and the Front Office including Jason Garrett has been pretty good in the draft.

 

[Aven8]

It's not so much a corner, it's a corner at 27 I hate.

 

[Hardline]

The best way to improve the secondary is to improve the pass rush.
And Coleman is not a first rounder. He is a late second rounder that will get snatched up in the early second when the run on running backs get picked.