I feel this needs its own thread (drafting a WR related)

[Bob Sacamano]

Duane Starks-boom

what was that?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you dont have starks as a boom look again. and your 'major toast' anlysis isnt as compelling to me as the 'games started out of games played' stats.

Jammer may not be worth the 6th pick but thats not the standard i used on my previous list.

a bust is someone who isn't very good, Jammer isn't very good, and he's only a Charger because he's under his rookie contract which pays him a good deal of money

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it is a non-biased source, I'm taking it, and we're talking about 1 CB here making the difference between the risk being neglible, it's not like Molden's status bumps the bust percentage of CBs a whole lot

you apparently dont know how wiki works then. you have no idea who the source is. i can make a wiki entry 'bob sacamano' if i wanted to and put anything on it i wanted to.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what was that?

then you changed it ex post facto cause on post 48 i quoted it and it clearly shows you having him as a bust.

and jammer is so bad that thyey start him anyway?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you apparently dont know how wiki works then. you have no idea who the source is. i can make a wiki entry 'bob sacamano' if i wanted to and put anything on it i wanted to.

I'm not debating how credible it is, it doesn't matter really, it's neither of our's opinion, and as much as we know, it's an unbiased source, I'm sorry you don't like it

 

[Bob Sacamano]

then you changed it ex post facto cause on post 48 i quoted it and it clearly shows you having him as a bust.

and jammer is so bad that thyey start him anyway?

you notice the players I changed the bust status, I didn't edit my 1st post? I only edited it because I thought more on Starks and decided to change it, I still have Plummer listed on it as a bust, because I didn't edit it after I spoke w/ you, but I agree that he's not a bust and the percentage changes, along w/ me agreeing w/ you that Bryant isn't a bust

keep reading as to why he still starts

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not debating how credible it is, it doesn't matter really, it's neither of our's opinion, as far as much as we know, it's an unbiased source, I'm sorry you don't like it

and again you cannot claim that the source is anything if you dont know what it is.

you should have just stopped at 'I'm not debating how credible it is.' Heres a hint: never cite Wiki.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and again you cannot claim that the source is anything if you dont know what it is.

you should have just stopped at 'I'm not debating how credible it is.' Heres a hint: never cite Wiki.

:bang2: dude, it is a 3rd party's analysis

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you notice the players I changed the bust status, I didn't edit my 1st post? I only edited it because I thought more on Starks and decided to change it, I still have Plummer listed on it as a bust, because I didn't edit it after I spoke w/ you

keep reading as to why he still starts

i saw why you say it and im not buying it. he makes a pittance and if he was so bad they could cut him with no cap ramifications or simply not start him.

He averages 14 PDs and almost 60 tackles a season as well as starting his whole career.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:bang2: ****, dude, it is a 3rd party's analysis, usually those are welcome

do you know who the 3rd party is? because just some random persons analysis is not welcome.

the whole part about how the team regretted not picking Eddie George instantly made me think the guy was a hack.

 

[mmillman]

teams win with elite players at the skill positions. Colstons don't come along that often. The lead WR's for many superbowl teams were first round picks. This doesn't mean that is the only way to come by a great WR, but it increases the chances.

First round draft picks fail for many reasons. Sometimes it is injury, sometimes it is scheme, surrounding talent, ability, attitude, coaching, work ethic, desire etc......... Calvin Johnson has the ability, the attitude, the work ethic. I believe that if you put him in 90% of the schemes in this league and he will be all-pro by his third year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i saw why you say it and im not buying it. he makes a pittance and if he was so bad they could cut him with no cap ramifications or simply not start him.

He averages 14 PDs and almost 60 tackles a season as well as starting his whole career.

simply not start him? have you seen the other CBs on that roster? he's not very good, I don't know where you got that impression from that he was

and fuzzy, we're arguing over 2 players? do you realize how insignificant that is? if the greater risk hinges on just 2 players, then it's not that worse don't you think?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

do you know who the 3rd party is? because just some random persons analysis is not welcome.

the whole part about how the team regretted not picking Eddie George instantly made me think the guy was a hack.

when 2 people don't agree on something, the best way to solve it is to get another analysis

you got something besides your opinion, and I'll gladly hear you out

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

simply not start him? have you seen the other CBs on that roster? he's not very good, I don't know where you got that impression from

I never said he was probowl quality. hes not very bad either. i just need to pay for the STATS LLC and settle this debate once and for all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

when 2 people don't agree on something, the best way to solve it is to get another analysis

look man that is not the way it works. if you are going to cite something the source has to be credible. it could have been Moldens exwife for all we know.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and youre right it is only two players but when youre dealing with 2 out of 30 it becomes significant. which brings up another point: that lists sample size is really too small to say anything one way or antoher anyway.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

look man that is not the way it works. if you are going to cite something the source has to be credible. it could have been Moldens exwife for all we know.

oh, since Fuzzy says it's not credible, it must be true

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

when 2 people don't agree on something, the best way to solve it is to get another analysis

you got something besides your opinion, and I'll gladly hear you out

well lets start with a fact: 96 career starts.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I never said he was probowl quality. hes not very bad either. i just need to pay for the STATS LLC and settle this debate once and for all.

he's not bad because he has a fearsome pass-rush to compensate for his horrible coverage skills, he was horrible in '04 and '05, and looked stupid in the playoff loss vs. New England, he has slow hips and is slow making up for his mistakes, he's a great tackler, but that's about it, just watch a Charger game

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well lets start with a fact: 96 career starts.

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