I fully expect the Cowboys to trade down

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If we have a partner within picks 7-15, we can move back a little and still get Lynch in rd.1 and a starter on D unless we blow that pick.
 
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DoctorChicken said:
I feel as if the Cowboys are really focusing on DT, QB, SS, RB and WR in the first few rounds of this draft, in that level of importance.
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Great post. I agree with that list except I think RB is likely the 3rd round target and QB will either be Lynch later in the first or else Prescott or Hackenberg in the 3rd or later.

DT is interesting, we could have a very good player fall our pick at 34 or a guy we have as a 2nd or 3rd round pick drop to our pick at the top of the 4th. That is a position that will definitely "come to us" as they say.

BTW, who is that in your profile picture?
 
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DFWJC said:
I don't want to take Geno Smith or EJ Manual just because they are the hihest rated QBs that year and I have a top 5 pick and "because everyone knows you have to draft in the top 5 to get a franchise QB"
The actual player needs to be worth it.
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Totally agree. Also I think a lot of posters are "fighting the last war" in assuming Romo is a lock to miss time next year. He has been the starter for ten years and only missed significant time in two of those seasons (but missed three games in another). Romo may get hurt again, but he may start every game for the next three years also.
 
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Risen Star said:
Exactly right. Understand the thought process at work here. This team has a broken down starting QB on borrowed time and nothing in the pipeline resembling even a functional future starter. Our future is bleak unless this gets addressed soon.

So now if the Cowboys are targeting Lynch that must mean the scouts have a franchise caliber grade on him. They are telling Jerry and Stephen this is our guy. This is our future.

If this is in fact the intel, why the hell would you get cute, trade down and risk losing this player? It makes no sense. If we treated cornerback this way these people would be breathing into paper bags.

I understand maximizing the value of draft picks. I also understand what it means to live in the NFL as a have not in this QB driven league.

If you define a franchise QB in this draft get that player. By all means necessary. There are other years to trade down and take lesser positions.
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Right if Lynch is the guy take him. He could be at 15-25 but why risk a team jumping up to get him. I think it was the 09 draft debacle where we wanted the center and I believe it was Seattle traded ahead of us and took him in the 2nd round. .....we traded down for Jason Williams LB and well don't think we need to go over how that special teams draft went
 
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Kaiser said:
Totally agree. Also I think a lot of posters are "fighting the last war" in assuming Romo is a lock to miss time next year. He has been the starter for ten years and only missed significant time in two of those seasons (but missed three games in another). Romo may get hurt again, but he may start every game for the next three years also.
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Still, even the years he did not miss much time to injury he did get injured and played injured - multiple times with broken ribs. I think as he gets older it will be less likely for him to "play well" while playing injured. Also, Ive noticed he has played awful on thanksgiving day games the past few years as he does not have enough time off between games. He has looked like a completely different player in scenarios where he has had to play on short rest which gives credibility to the idea that he has to be managed differently now due to what might be considered "fragility" for lack of a better word.
 
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DoctorChicken said:
Looking at their pre-draft visits and perceived interests, I think the Cowboys would like to trade down.

- The Cowboys have visited/will visit with several 1st round DT prospects that will be had in the 10-25 range, specifically Nkedimeche and Rankins.
- The Cowboys supposedly love Paxton Lynch, and by trading down from #4, they could receive extra picks as ammunition to trade back into the 1st round if he is there at a pick they are comfortable with trading for.

By looking at patterns within their pre-draft visits, you can also see what type of positions they may be targeting and what level of importance they place on those positions -

- They have been looking at quite a few safeties, but not as many CBs. I think they are comfortable with our CBs and are more concerned with replacing Wilcox/Church. I believe for now they will continue to play Jones as a hybrid FS/CB.
- They have been looking at RBs that will go in the 3rd-5th rounds.
- They supposedly have interest in and have visited a few 2nd-4th round WRs that could make excellent #2 WRs.

Another point I find interesting - Stephen Jones has said before that the Cowboys generally sign FAs for depth, and draft for starters. I do not believe the Cowboys envision Morris, Mayowa, or J. Crawford as starters. I believe they really like Thornton, but he could be another really good depth signing if the right DT is there in the first few rounds.

I feel as if the Cowboys are really focusing on DT, QB, SS, RB and WR in the first few rounds of this draft, in that level of importance.
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Thornton was not signed to be depth. He is your starting 1T.
 
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Risen Star said:
Exactly right. Understand the thought process at work here. This team has a broken down starting QB on borrowed time and nothing in the pipeline resembling even a functional future starter. Our future is bleak unless this gets addressed soon.

So now if the Cowboys are targeting Lynch that must mean the scouts have a franchise caliber grade on him. They are telling Jerry and Stephen this is our guy. This is our future.

If this is in fact the intel, why the hell would you get cute, trade down and risk losing this player? It makes no sense. If we treated cornerback this way these people would be breathing into paper bags.

I understand maximizing the value of draft picks. I also understand what it means to live in the NFL as a have not in this QB driven league.

If you define a franchise QB in this draft get that player. By all means necessary. There are other years to trade down and take lesser positions.
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The big key is if you think there is a franchise QB.

That's far from the consensus view.

It's why the Cowboys would likely LIKE to trade down. They probably like.... not love Lynch if they are willing to risk losing him.

You're really bungling this thread.
 
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i fully expect this too

we'll trade down from #4 to #32 and get an extra 7th for it....we always get hosed on trade downs lol
 
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Risen Star said:
Well, by all means, let's help the Rams get their franchise QB.

Go Cowboys!
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I agree man....it's ridiculous, but my gut says we pass on Goff and try to see if we can start a bidding war and subsequently trade down. JJ and Co. always think they're the smartest guys in the room. Might be true back in the day but hasn't been true with regard to this football team for a very long time.
 
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Kaiser said:
Great post. I agree with that list except I think RB is likely the 3rd round target and QB will either be Lynch later in the first or else Prescott or Hackenberg in the 3rd or later.

DT is interesting, we could have a very good player fall our pick at 34 or a guy we have as a 2nd or 3rd round pick drop to our pick at the top of the 4th. That is a position that will definitely "come to us" as they say.

BTW, who is that in your profile picture?
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It's Taylor Swift.
 
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Hardline said:
Can't trade down lower than 8 and expect a blue chipper to be left on the board.
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Risen Star said:
Exactly right. Understand the thought process at work here. This team has a broken down starting QB on borrowed time and nothing in the pipeline resembling even a functional future starter. Our future is bleak unless this gets addressed soon.

So now if the Cowboys are targeting Lynch that must mean the scouts have a franchise caliber grade on him. They are telling Jerry and Stephen this is our guy. This is our future.

If this is in fact the intel, why the hell would you get cute, trade down and risk losing this player? It makes no sense. If we treated cornerback this way these people would be breathing into paper bags.

I understand maximizing the value of draft picks. I also understand what it means to live in the NFL as a have not in this QB driven league.

If you define a franchise QB in this draft get that player. By all means necessary. There are other years to trade down and take lesser positions.
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I think you nailed it.:hammer:

All this "trying to get the most value for the pick" in a trade down....is non sense. No trade is gonna trump getting a franchise QB that is gonna be the face of the franchise for the next decade.

And you just don't mess around w/ that.

The more I think about this....I've got no problem w/ Lynch @ #4. Think about it....Do you want to end up like this?:igglestrophy:

That's what happens when you don't have a QB. And I think we proved that last year....but people still want to pin their hopes on a 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB.
 
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