I fully expect the Cowboys to trade down

[JPostSam]

Well, by all means, let's help the Rams get their franchise QB.

Go Cowboys!

only if they think the rams are wrong, and willing to overpay for someone the cowboys expect to fail.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The more I think about this....I've got no problem w/ Lynch @ #4. Think about it....Do you want to end up like this?

That's what happens when you don't have a QB. And I think we proved that last year....but people still want to pin their hopes on a 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB.

So Lynch is going to come in and save the day next year when that 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB goes down again?

 

[Hardline]

Hindsight is 20-20.

 

[Floatyworm]

So Lynch is going to come in and save the day next year when that 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB goes down again?

I wouldn't say "save the day".....but I could live w/ rookie growing pains knowing the future is bright w/ a QB to build around. It worked for Aikman.

 

[casmith07]

Hindsight is 20-20.

Lol you can't just one-off say that there are no blue chippers and then 20/20 Hindsight hand-wave proof of you being 100% wrong.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wouldn't say "save the day".....but I could live w/ rookie growing pains knowing the future is bright w/ a QB to build around.

And what if it turns out you drafted another Ryan Leaf? How does that work in your "I could live w/ rookie growing pains knowing the future is bright w/ a QB to build around" world?

 

[Hardline]

Lol you can't just one-off say that there are no blue chippers and then 20/20 Hindsight hand-wave proof of you being 100% wrong.

I may be only one of the hand full that was ecstatic when Fredrick was selected. I knew he was going to be great from day 1.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Looking at their pre-draft visits and perceived interests, I think the Cowboys would like to trade down.

- The Cowboys have visited/will visit with several 1st round DT prospects that will be had in the 10-25 range, specifically Nkedimeche and Rankins.
- The Cowboys supposedly love Paxton Lynch, and by trading down from #4, they could receive extra picks as ammunition to trade back into the 1st round if he is there at a pick they are comfortable with trading for.

By looking at patterns within their pre-draft visits, you can also see what type of positions they may be targeting and what level of importance they place on those positions -

- They have been looking at quite a few safeties, but not as many CBs. I think they are comfortable with our CBs and are more concerned with replacing Wilcox/Church. I believe for now they will continue to play Jones as a hybrid FS/CB.
- They have been looking at RBs that will go in the 3rd-5th rounds.
- They supposedly have interest in and have visited a few 2nd-4th round WRs that could make excellent #2 WRs.

Another point I find interesting - Stephen Jones has said before that the Cowboys generally sign FAs for depth, and draft for starters. I do not believe the Cowboys envision Morris, Mayowa, or J. Crawford as starters. I believe they really like Thornton, but he could be another really good depth signing if the right DT is there in the first few rounds.

I feel as if the Cowboys are really focusing on DT, QB, SS, RB and WR in the first few rounds of this draft, in that level of importance.

You cant read too much into draft visits.

Last year, the Cowboys had about 15 RBs come in for pre-draft visits and they did not select a single RB in the draft.

 

[Beast_from_East]

So Lynch is going to come in and save the day next year when that 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB goes down again?

I have never understood this argument.

QB is the hardest position in professional sports to play, so lets never draft a good one.

The best time to draft a QB is when you still have one, you don't want to throw rookies to the wolves. Some of the best QBs in the league didn't start playing right away. So I just don't get the argument that we should not draft a QB in the first round because he will not win games right away.

You don't want them to have to win games right away, that is the entire point of drafting a franchise QB while you still have one. There are plenty of examples.

Steve Young sat behind Joe Montana
Phillup Rivers sat behind Drew Brees
Aaron Rogers sat behind Bret Favre.

And if the argument is that a player drafted in the top 5 cant sit...........well, that has happened before also. The Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans drafted Steve McNair with the 3rd overall pick in 1995 (back before there was a rookie cap and top 5 picks were paid a fortune) and he sat for 2 seasons and didn't become the starter until 1997.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I have never understood this argument.

The point is most people want to go QB at 4 thinking that player will automatically be better than Weeden/Cassel and the Cowboys will be a better team. They think by drafting a QB at 4 we are drafting the next Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman. I'm not buying that for a sec. Not with the bust rate of QB's taken in the first round. I'm not against going QB at 4 if the grade is there. But I am highly against taking a QB at 4 just to be taking a QB.

 

[conner01]

And what if it turns out you drafted another Ryan Leaf? How does that work in your "I could live w/ rookie growing pains knowing the future is bright w/ a QB to build around" world?

You could draft another Ryan leaf any year. The only way to never miss on a QB is never take a QB. But you could also hit on the next romo. I'm not as high on lynch as some but at some point we need to think about life after romo, and history shows your odds of hitting on a QB go up the higher you pick one.

 

[conner01]

The point is most people want to go QB at 4 thinking that player will automatically be better than Weeden/Cassel and the Cowboys will be a better team. They think by drafting a QB at 4 we are drafting the next Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman. I'm not buying that for a sec. Not with the bust rate of QB's taken in the first round. I'm not against going QB at 4 if the grade is there. But I am highly against taking a QB at 4 just to be taking a QB.

I agree you have to grade them accurately. I think Wentz who is graded high is worth the pick at 4. I think Goff can be good in the right system but not sure they want a new system to fit the next QB. Not as convinced on lynch but if you trade down, added a second and then took him you mitigate the risk somewhat with the added pick
The one thing there is no doubt about, and that's we will need a QB in the next few years. The risk will be even higher since the odds are you would be trading many picks to get in the position to take a highly rated QB. Qb's fall just like other players but hard to plan for that

 

[Verdict]

I don't think 49ers are going to give #2 and #3 to move up 3 spots.

Rams probably give one of their seconds and a third although it is a much bigger move, maybe you could get both number 2's. If you could get both, I would definitely go this way.

I think if the Rams move up to #4 it will cost a minimum of their first rounder and both second round picks, because if they don't move up they will not get the QB that they are moving up for. In that scenario if they are trading up, someone above them is also bidding against them to move up as well. Unfortunately, the Chargers are one spot higher than us and they would be fools not to take the kings ransom and let us take advantage of it.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

My dream scenarios:

Cowboys #4 for 49ers #7 / #37 / #68
or
Cowboys #4 for Rams #15 / #43 / #45

More picks please!!

actually if the Niners really, really want to get to 4, they will pay the asking price. Same with the Rams, value charts go out the windows when it comes to moving down early in the draft.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

So Lynch is going to come in and save the day next year when that 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB goes down again?

probably not, but he would start his learning process of being a starting NFL QB. Whether he succeeds or not, the trial will begin when Romo has to sit out. The rookie is guaranteed one start his rookie year being that Romo can't play on Thanksgiving. If Romo misses a game or two here and there the rookie will have more starts and gain more experience. He's not going to hold the clipboard for 3-5 years like some want to believe.

It would not be smart to wait for Romo to get injured or be done, before you draft his successor.

And no matter who we draft in the first round, he is not going to come in and save the day next year when that 36 year old broken down...bad back...busted shoulder QB goes down again. Not Ramsey, not Bosa, not Elliot nor Jack!