I Guess It Is Time to Back Off

[zeromaster]

No blood, no foul, Hos. You did what you could, the NFL in its current form just screwed it up.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Obviously Jerry has discussed with the Lions exactly what you shared. So for that no one should give you grief.

I just never believed a deal would be that easy. When you see what the Vikings gave up to get Allen it lets you know that trading for a good, vet player will cost you a king's ransom.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah I agree that there is very little hope of getting Roy Williams now. Not at the prices that are obviously going to be there thanks to what the Commanders are offering for WR's, and getting turned down for, in regards to Boldin and Johnson.

 

[Valor]

Other teams holding on to their wideouts like grim death + the quality of players available to us at 22 and 28 = depression. It's like realizing that Hillary, Obama or McCain will be the next Prez. Jerry's "wow" options are declining by the hour. And if the Terry Glenn scenario was his idea of a trial balloon, consider it shot down.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Millen has been emphatic too. the Cards have been less deliberate than Millen in this.

 

[Chuck 54]

After seeing what the Commanders are offering for a veteran WR and seeing 2 teams turn them down, it is obvious to me that the market for Roy Williams is impossible at this time.

I know for a fact that he would like to play here. I stand by that.

I first suggested he was coming here in September of last year. Long before any of the media was speculating it. I have stubbornly clung to this despite repeated denials by the Lions. It has pissed some people off at times. Either they'll forgive me for that or they won't. Not up to me.

You either figure I got lucky or I knew something. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter because even I just don't see this deal getting done now.

It still could happen. I admit that. Never is a long time and too many things can ruin never. Two days ago I was 90% sure he was going to be our WR opposite TO in 2008. Today I'm 10% sure.

I may be hard headed and obstinate, but even I can look at the recent offers, rebuffs and realize that the price is way too high. It isn't going to happen unless something really amazing breaks the log jam.

So, here's what it boils down to. If the trade happens, I got lucky. If it doesn't there was never anything to it at all and I made up all that stuff and the media all over the nation somehow got wind of it and ran with it.

I'd feel even better about it if we signed him at no cost to us in another year or two in FA.

 

[Chuck 54]

No doubt about it. I see some stating Ware, and while I love him, he doesn't have the @#$! you attitude........I love ware but it's not the same as Haley. He had a nasty, crazy, mean....Randy White type of attitude which, quite frankly, this team sorely needs.

Good to "see" ya around there Chiefster.

I think if anyone checked out the pressures, they'd quickly back off comparing Haley to Ware....Ware makes great plays for us, but Haley was pressuring the QB on just about every freakin' play. He didn't get all the sacks, but you never saw him get shut down...the QB and the pocket were constantly moving because Haley was always moving towards him.

The guy should have been a walk-in to the HOF imo....I've been a fan since '67, and Haley was the best pass rusher to ever wear the Cowboys uniform.

 

[Sarge]

I think if anyone checked out the pressures, they'd quickly back off comparing Haley to Ware....Ware makes great plays for us, but Haley was pressuring the QB on just about every freakin' play. He didn't get all the sacks, but you never saw him get shut down...the QB and the pocket were constantly moving because Haley was always moving towards him.

The guy should have been a walk-in to the HOF imo....I've been a fan since '67, and Haley was the best pass rusher to ever wear the Cowboys uniform.

I agree Wayno - I am NOT one to compare Ware to Haley at this point. That is NOT a snub on Ware so much as it is a compliment to Haley.

Harvey Martin might have something to say about the best pure passrusher of all time...........

Either way, Ware is young and getting better, but those who studied and watched Martin and Haley will know, Ware is not "there" just yet.

 

[Hostile]

Obviously Jerry has discussed with the Lions exactly what you shared. So for that no one should give you grief.

I just never believed a deal would be that easy. When you see what the Vikings gave up to get Allen it lets you know that trading for a good, vet player will cost you a king's ransom.

I want to clarify something.

I can handle the grief I'll get for this. Mostly I may not share again because I'm beginning to feel like I am jinxing stuff.

I got a tip that we were going to sign Drew Henson. That required making a trade with Houston. I shared with 4 people that Troy Aikman was at his workout with Jerry and we would offer a 3rd round pick to get him. I did not share this with the forum and it happened. A couple of people got pissed that I didn't share it after people found out I knew about it.

I shared with 3 people that Quincy was going to be cut in 2004 unless at TC he was lights out good. It happened. When it came out that I had not posted this, again a couple of people got pissed.

So I posted the info about Brandon Everage working out in Oxnard. That was the very first time I ever shared info that fell in my lap. It didn't happen and a couple of people basically accused me of lying about how I got the info that he was in Oxnard. Occasionally someone still will. I keep asking how I got the info if it wasn't exactly the way I said it was, and there is never an answer. There never is with lace panties drama queens.

Still that fell through.

I've known about this desire by Roy to play here for a long time. Right before Training Camp last year a friend of his told me that he expected 2007 to be Roy's last year as a Lion and he laid out the reasons that I have so doggedly stuck to. He told me I could share the info if I wanted to and in September, I did, but I never elaborated. It wasn't until recently that I did and I immediately wished I had not. Partly because some people always make a huge issue out of that stuff. But mostly because I had a horrible feeling that I just jinxed the deal.

Now it looks like there is no way possible for the deal to happen.

When I share the info with a few people it turns out better than when I share it with everyone. Understand something, I had shared this Roy Williams info with a lot of people via PMs long before I ever posted it. They can verify that for you if they wish. They certainly don't have to.

I would still very much like for this deal to happen as I believe it puts us over the top as the best Offense in the NFL. However, just like with a deal for McFadden which I have openly and emphatically opposed, the price is now too high to do it. It would take a miracle.

So my reticence to share isn't really driven by the crap feedback that always accompanies when people do share this stuff. Mostly it's because I'm beginning to feel like a jinx.

 

[JakeCamp12]

After seeing what the Commanders are offering for a veteran WR and seeing 2 teams turn them down, it is obvious to me that the market for Roy Williams is impossible at this time.

I know for a fact that he would like to play here. I stand by that.

I first suggested he was coming here in September of last year. Long before any of the media was speculating it. I have stubbornly clung to this despite repeated denials by the Lions. It has pissed some people off at times. Either they'll forgive me for that or they won't. Not up to me.

You either figure I got lucky or I knew something. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter because even I just don't see this deal getting done now.

It still could happen. I admit that. Never is a long time and too many things can ruin never. Two days ago I was 90% sure he was going to be our WR opposite TO in 2008. Today I'm 10% sure.

I may be hard headed and obstinate, but even I can look at the recent offers, rebuffs and realize that the price is way too high. It isn't going to happen unless something really amazing breaks the log jam.

So, here's what it boils down to. If the trade happens, I got lucky. If it doesn't there was never anything to it at all and I made up all that stuff and the media all over the nation somehow got wind of it and ran with it.

Hos, don't fret, remember Matt Millen is involved and that only gives hope to any scenario involving the Lions...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

After seeing what the Commanders are offering for a veteran WR and seeing 2 teams turn them down, it is obvious to me that the market for Roy Williams is impossible at this time.

I thought it was Chad the Commanders had made an offer for.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../draft/2008/04/22/johnson.lewis.ap/index.html

 

[Hostile]

I thought it was Chad the Commanders had made an offer for.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../draft/2008/04/22/johnson.lewis.ap/index.html

They also made an offer to the Cardinals for Bolden and got rebuffed.

 

[Jay-D]

It is always darkest before the dawn........

 

[Hostile]

It is always darkest before the dawn........

I wonder how Jerry feels watching these offers and rejections? It has to be a bit frustrating for him.

 

[Sarge]

Has anyone heard any news on Pacman??

 

[Aven8]

I want to clarify something.

I can handle the grief I'll get for this. Mostly I may not share again because I'm beginning to feel like I am jinxing stuff.

I got a tip that we were going to sign Drew Henson. That required making a trade with Houston. I shared with 4 people that Troy Aikman was at his workout with Jerry and we would offer a 3rd round pick to get him. I did not share this with the forum and it happened. A couple of people got pissed that I didn't share it after people found out I knew about it.

I shared with 3 people that Quincy was going to be cut in 2004 unless at TC he was lights out good. It happened. When it came out that I had not posted this, again a couple of people got pissed.

So I posted the info about Brandon Everage working out in Oxnard. That was the very first time I ever shared info that fell in my lap. It didn't happen and a couple of people basically accused me of lying about how I got the info that he was in Oxnard. Occasionally someone still will. I keep asking how I got the info if it wasn't exactly the way I said it was, and there is never an answer. There never is with lace panties drama queens.

Still that fell through.

I've known about this desire by Roy to play here for a long time. Right before Training Camp last year a friend of his told me that he expected 2007 to be Roy's last year as a Lion and he laid out the reasons that I have so doggedly stuck to. He told me I could share the info if I wanted to and in September, I did, but I never elaborated. It wasn't until recently that I did and I immediately wished I had not. Partly because some people always make a huge issue out of that stuff. But mostly because I had a horrible feeling that I just jinxed the deal.

Now it looks like there is no way possible for the deal to happen.

When I share the info with a few people it turns out better than when I share it with everyone. Understand something, I had shared this Roy Williams info with a lot of people via PMs long before I ever posted it. They can verify that for you if they wish. They certainly don't have to.

I would still very much like for this deal to happen as I believe it puts us over the top as the best Offense in the NFL. However, just like with a deal for McFadden which I have openly and emphatically opposed, the price is now too high to do it. It would take a miracle.

So my reticence to share isn't really driven by the crap feedback that always accompanies when people do share this stuff. Mostly it's because I'm beginning to feel like a jinx.

Why do you think it is over Hos? Just because Cincy and Zona turned them down? I've been with you on this whole deal getting done. We now know that we are getting Pacman (provided he gets reinstated), and we still have our two first, second, and third. I'm not sure if I wouldn't give up one of our 1st, our 3rd, and possibly Akin. It sounds like a lot, but is it really? What holes, other than corner, (which we can get another one with our 1st), do we really have to fill? We can still get a RB with a second, and then have a 5th, and an early 6th for hopefully special teams, and our 7th rounders. Look what Minesota just gave up for Allen. I still don't think it's a dead deal, yeah Washington might out bid us, but I still don't believe it is finished for any team. Let's hope not anyway...the fact of depending on TO being healthy for 19 games, and depending on unproven backups still scares the hell out of me! And please don't bring up Ralph Mouth aka Patrick Crayton!

 

[iceberg]

I wonder how Jerry feels watching these offers and rejections? It has to be a bit frustrating for him.

it is man. it is. but i'll be ok.

 

[CF74]

I will probably never go out on a limb like that again.

Why? This is a fan based forum where the majority of stuff we discuss is 97% speculation or rumor. You haven't lost any credibility with me.

 

[Hostile]

Why? This is a fan based forum where the majority of stuff we discuss is 97% speculation or rumor. You haven't lost any credibility with me.

Read post #49.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Why? This is a fan based forum where the majority of stuff we discuss is 97% speculation or rumor. You haven't lost any credibility with me.

What percentage of the 97% is speculation or rumor? :laugh1: