I have a feeling Spencer will be traded on draft day

[Stash]

Trade back with S. F.

Dallas 18 + 47+ Spencer

For

S.F. 31,34,61,74

Dallas pick values= 1330
S.F. pick values = 1672

Difference in pick values = 342 with S.F. being long that much. So, SF would be getting Spencer for a end of 2nd round value(56th approx.)

SF would get their 18th pick(T. Austin,K. Vacarro, T. Eifert, Tank Carradine,etc.) plus a solid 47th pick plus Spencer. Dallas would gain 2 picks in rounds with very solid players and get good value for Spencer and reduce the Cap by $10+M

Win/Win situation for each team, I think.

Why does San Francisco need Anthony Spencer?

 

[Stash]

Sorry, but I don't see that happening.

Firstly, as others have said, player values are lower on draft day, not higher.

If you did trade him, it would likely be at a signifcant loss.

Secondly, the market for pass rushers 3-4 or 4-3 has been very weak this year.

When James Harrison is struggling to find work at this point, and Seattle signs not one, but two pass rushers for less than what we're paying Spencer for one year, that says clearly to me that nobody is going to trade anything to overpay Spencer.

To me it looks like we mistakenly and greatly overestimated the market for pass rushers and errored in franchising Spencer again.

He and his agent wisely signed the deal quickly and we've see comparable players sign for far less around the league.

I see it as yet another error on the part of the Cowboys.

One that I expect them to eventually correct by letting Spencer leave after this season with no extension.

 

[Prossman]

If you can't get a number one for spencer, than you don't trade him.The guy dropped into coverage 33% of passing plays and still got 10 sacks. Spencer can now add weight if he chooses to. The thing is if The cowboys think Crawford can play the end effectively, it could happen.

 

[BAT]

Spencer was a 4-3 DE in college. I don't understand why everybody thinks he has to stay in a 3-4?

Spencer was primarily used as a 9 tech (RDE) in college. With the Cowboys he will be playing a lot of 5 tech, which has very different responsibilities.

A 4-3 LDE and a 4-3 RDE are very different especially in Kiffin's 4-3 scheme. The primary pass rushers will be the 3 tech (DT) and the 9 tech (RDE).

 

[burmafrd]

If you can't get a number one for spencer, than you don't trade him.The guy dropped into coverage 33% of passing plays and still got 10 sacks. Spencer can now add weight if he chooses to. The thing is if The cowboys think Crawford can play the end effectively, it could happen.

in one out of 6 years he gets double digit sacks. Probably why no one really has approached us about him. And as said why he signed his offers sheet so fast this year compared to last year when he waited until just before the draft

 

[fishspill]

Sorry, but I don't see that happening.

Firstly, as others have said, player values are lower on draft day, not higher.

If you did trade him, it would likely be at a signifcant loss.

Secondly, the market for pass rushers 3-4 or 4-3 has been very weak this year.

When James Harrison is struggling to find work at this point, and Seattle signs not one, but two pass rushers for less than what we're paying Spencer for one year, that says clearly to me that nobody is going to trade anything to overpay Spencer.

To me it looks like we mistakenly and greatly overestimated the market for pass rushers and errored in franchising Spencer again.

He and his agent wisely signed the deal quickly and we've see comparable players sign for far less around the league.

I see it as yet another error on the part of the Cowboys.

One that I expect them to eventually correct by letting Spencer leave after this season with no extension.

This is how I see the end game. Not signing him also allows for the possibility of a falling end to be taken at #18 not being such a bitter pill.

IF the pre-draft scuttlebutt is true and we see the 3 OT, 2 G, 3 DT, and any special playmakers leave the board before #18, a nice DE might still be there. And since the Cowboys and Spencer can't agree on a proper payment for services then it's fine by me.

 

[Prossman]

in one out of 6 years he gets double digit sacks. Probably why no one really has approached us about him. And as said why he signed his offers sheet so fast this year compared to last year when he waited until just before the draft

Agreed. Spencer was always considered one of the best run stuffing oslbs in the nfl, not a great pass rushing threat. I do have concerns about him translating to a 4-3 end. the 33% in coverage all but eliminated "should" help his numbers. Plus he can add weight now. Still If we trade him we almost have to replace in this draft. It has to be a high pick, 2nd at the latest, unless we go stop gap in free agency. Bjorn Werner is dropping like a rock, because he didn't look sexy at the combine. He could come in and start or rotate with Crawford. Hatcher could play it and already has the size. We would need to grab a 1tech and though are plentiful in this draft. I do want more picks, but Im just not sure tradeing spencer is the answer.

 

[Fredd]

spencer needs to be on this team this year, IMO...my concern is next year...we have to get someone to rush the passer in the event that Spencer plays the season on the tag, and then hits free agency next year...

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

It would be hard to find value for Spencer.

 

[egn22]

One thing I like about Spencer is his durability. He doesn't get hurt much. Also, if we're trying to make a run which we are, I think having a veteran like him at this point is more valuable than a pick next seaSon.

 

[TheRat]

Spencer was a 4-3 DE in college. I don't understand why everybody thinks he has to stay in a 3-4?

4-3 DE in PURDUE's system. Purdue is well known for producing 3-4 OLB's in the NFL because of the system they run, which allows their DEs to be undersized.

 

[Nation]

Anthony Spencer will be a Dallas Cowboy in 2013. No chance of a trade.

 

[CowboysBravesSpurs]

Its because of his size because he's not as big as Jared Allen or Justin Tuck but Spencer is the least of my concern. I'm not against trading him but i'm also not worried about him making the NFL transition to OLB to DE. I would've been more worried about DE to OLB.

His size? There are only a couple DEs that are actully bigger than Spencer. Some are smaller.

 

[Idgit]

Anthony Spencer will be a Dallas Cowboy in 2013. No chance of a trade.

I'd say this is right. There's never no chance, but in this case, it's almost no chance. Nobody's going to cough up enough for him when there are cheaper quality pass rush players in the second round of this draft. And we're not going to give up on a player the defensive coaches obviously want in the lineup.

There's a better chance if we get through the first two rounds without selecting a DE that we extend Spencer at some point as soon as the defensive coaches can verify his fit in the new defense 100%. If he plays as well as he has the rest of his career, there's no reason we can't give him the type of contract a 30 yo rush player is going to get on the open market with the current state of the league's salary cap across the board.

 

[xwalker]

His size? There are only a couple DEs that are actully bigger than Spencer. Some are smaller.

Only a couple of NFL Defensive Ends are bigger than Spencer?

 

[Hoofbite]

It'd be a dream come true.

Ditch the cap space and be able to build the team.

Doubtful.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You might just have gas.

+10 internets, that was funny :starspin

 

[MakeNoise4TheBoys]

I think people should realize before teams make trades for players (especially ones on a franchise tag) they want to have their doctors clear them and even know if a long term deal can be worked out. So the chances he gets dealt on draft day is 0%
WILL NOT HAPPEN sorry for bursting that bubble

 

[CowboysBravesSpurs]

We talking about 4-3 or 3-4 ends? Cuz some people don't know the difference. Spencer is not undersized. Having the height of Jared Allen or JPP is just a luxury.

 

[xwalker]

I think people should realize before teams make trades for players (especially ones on a franchise tag) they want to have their doctors clear them and even know if a long term deal can be worked out. So the chances he gets dealt on draft day is 0%
WILL NOT HAPPEN sorry for bursting that bubble

Anybody ever notice that members with less than 100 posts know everything. People should just stop posting after their post count hits 100 because all of the real experts are the ones with under 100 posts. The super-duper experts are the ones with under 10 posts.

Thanks for enlightening us Mr. 6 posts count.