I have never seen other what other people see in OBJ

[Rockport]

OMG go follow the Giants.

 

[Reality]

Because he dislikes said player so there’s no objectivity involved.

Actually I have never been a fan of his because I did not think he was a great receiver, just a good receiver.

I would have taken DeSean Jackson over OBJ because DJ was a much better overall receiver.

I realize you assume that people who have different opinions than you are limited in their ability to objectively review a player, but I assure you that is not the case with me because I have no emotional attachment to any of the players.

All I care about is the results, not the puzzle pieces because the puzzle pieces do not care about the fans whether that is players, coaches, front office personnel or the team owners.

 

[zrinkill]

I have never seen other what other people see in Shultz either other either.

 

[Proof]

In his first three season he averaged 1,375 yards per season and double digit TD's. He might be living off the past now but when he hit the league the hype was warranted and I don't really understand how you can not see it or think he just had some sort of novelty trick (one hand catch).

right. and his rookie season he had nearly 1300 yards and 12 tds in 12 games. That's insane production. set several records in that stretch. terrific route runner with insane stop/start, with an insane catch radius for a guy his size. And to say that the gloves did all the work, or that practicing one handed catches is somehow a knock is wild.

That said, he's definitely not that guy now.

 

[mahoneybill]

The one thing he has done in his career to get recognition is that he heavily practiced one-handed catches (seriously, he promoted the fact he spent a lot of time practicing one-handed catches), which helped him make highlight reels for spectacular catches. He did this though wearing gloves that do most of the work.

He's a 5'11 receiver whose quickness has been impacted heafvily by multiple injuries in recent years. I am not saying he is a bad receiver, but he has never been anything special.

He had one or two good seasons when he entered the NFL years ago and he has been living off them ever since. His greated highlight reel catch was against the Cowboys in 2015 (7 years ago) in a game his team actually lost.

NFL history is littered with 1-2 year wonders that were anointed future Hall of Famers only to see their careers nose-dive in subsequent years due to injuries or the rest of the league figuring out how to stop them.

If OBJ was healthy, I could see the Cowboys adding him as a 3rd receiver, but at this point, I trust James Washington's recovery more than I do OBJ's.

That one hander was aided by a non called push off on the defender

 

[Reality]

In his first three season he averaged 1,375 yards per season and double digit TD's. He might be living off the past now but when he hit the league the hype was warranted and I don't really understand how you can not see it or think he just had some sort of novelty trick (one hand catch).

Yeah, several years ago and several injuries ago, he was a featured receiver with great stats.

Unfortunately we are not talking about 2014-2016 OBJ, but rather 2022 OBJ who cannot even play right now.

 

[Proof]

Yeah, several years ago and several injuries ago, he was a featured receiver with great stats.

Unfortunately we are not talking about 2014-2016 OBJ, but rather 2022 OBJ who cannot even play right now.

lol... nah nah man. you said you've NEVER seen what people see in him, and that he had 1 or 2 good seasons when he came in the league. He had three outstanding seasons to start his career. Matters none now, but your original post was encompassing his body of work.

Actually I have never been a fan of his because I did not think he was a great receiver, just a good receiver.

I would have taken DeSean Jackson over OBJ because DJ was a much better overall receiver.

I realize you assume that people who have different opinions than you are limited in their ability to objectively review a player, but I assure you that is not the case with me because I have no emotional attachment to any of the players.

All I care about is the results, not the puzzle pieces because the puzzle pieces do not care about the fans whether that is players, coaches, front office personnel or the team owners.

this is also extremely silly because odell has always been a better and more complete receiver than desean. he's got half the games played and 6 less years in the league yet only 2 less touchdowns and better ypg. they have the same amount of 1000 yard seasons as well along with odell being a sb champ. Results clearly favor odell

 

[DanA]

Yeah, several years ago and several injuries ago, he was a featured receiver with great stats.

Unfortunately we are not talking about 2014-2016 OBJ, but rather 2022 OBJ who cannot even play right now.

But in the OP you stated "the one thing he has done in his career" was (to paraphrase) circus catches. The dude is a two time all pro, three time pro bowler, super bowl champion. I feel you might be under selling it a bit when you imply he's just made a few one handed catches.

 

[Reid1boys]

The one thing he has done in his career to get recognition is that he heavily practiced one-handed catches (seriously, he promoted the fact he spent a lot of time practicing one-handed catches), which helped him make highlight reels for spectacular catches. He did this though wearing gloves that do most of the work.

He's a 5'11 receiver whose quickness has been impacted heafvily by multiple injuries in recent years. I am not saying he is a bad receiver, but he has never been anything special.

He had one or two good seasons when he entered the NFL years ago and he has been living off them ever since. His greated highlight reel catch was against the Cowboys in 2015 (7 years ago) in a game his team actually lost.

NFL history is littered with 1-2 year wonders that were anointed future Hall of Famers only to see their careers nose-dive in subsequent years due to injuries or the rest of the league figuring out how to stop them.

If OBJ was healthy, I could see the Cowboys adding him as a 3rd receiver, but at this point, I trust James Washington's recovery more than I do OBJ's.

Rams dont win the SB without him last year. Probably dont even make the SB.

 

[Reality]

I like all, but the sad attempt at a thread title. Other than that, it's a fair assessment.

Not sure why the thread title bothered you. It was a true statement. I have never seen what other people see in OBJ.

lol... nah nah man. you said you've NEVER seen what people see in him, and that he had 1 or 2 good seasons when he came in the league. He had three outstanding seasons to start his career. Matters none now, but your original post was encompassing his body of work.



this is also extremely silly because odell has always been a better and more complete receiver than desean. he's got half the games played and 6 less years in the league yet only 2 less touchdowns and better ypg. they have the same amount of 1000 yard seasons as well along with odell being a sb champ. Results clearly favor odell

Unfortunately, 2022 OBJ is a long way from the 2014-2015 OBJ, and that was even before the Super Bowl injury.

 

[john van brocklin]

The one thing he has done in his career to get recognition is that he heavily practiced one-handed catches (seriously, he promoted the fact he spent a lot of time practicing one-handed catches), which helped him make highlight reels for spectacular catches. He did this though wearing gloves that do most of the work.

He's a 5'11 receiver whose quickness has been impacted heafvily by multiple injuries in recent years. I am not saying he is a bad receiver, but he has never been anything special.

He had one or two good seasons when he entered the NFL years ago and he has been living off them ever since. His greated highlight reel catch was against the Cowboys in 2015 (7 years ago) in a game his team actually lost.

NFL history is littered with 1-2 year wonders that were anointed future Hall of Famers only to see their careers nose-dive in subsequent years due to injuries or the rest of the league figuring out how to stop them.

If OBJ was healthy, I could see the Cowboys adding him as a 3rd receiver, but at this point, I trust James Washington's recovery more than I do OBJ's.

Strong take.
But we'll reasoned.

 

[Cmac]

I rarely listen to any sports commentators, especially scripted ones like Bayless, SAS, etc.

As for injuries, I pointed that out specifically as the reason he has not been anything special since his first couple of seasons.

All good.

 

[Reality]

But in the OP you stated "the one thing he has done in his career" was (to paraphrase) circus catches. The dude is a two time all pro, three time pro bowler, super bowl champion. I feel you might be under selling it a bit when you imply he's just made a few one handed catches.

Saquon Barkley had a great first season for the Giants and the fans and media were raving about him being the next great running back, but injuries have changed that in all seasons since.

The NFL is full of 1-2 year future HoF players that regress to average players due to injuries and other factors. I have seen way too many "future HoF players" have good or even great seasons their first couple of years only to see them become average or worse in the seasons that follow.

It's not always their fault as I said several times because injuries do play a factor, but as others have mentioned so do the players and coaches surrounding them. Like running backs, there are few receivers who remain star players in their 30s. Most of them live off their "remember that year when.." stories and reputations.

As I have said though, I do not think OBJ is a bad receiver. I just do not see what other people see in him, especially in recent years and that was before the SB injury.

 

[shabazz]

The one thing he has done in his career to get recognition is that he heavily practiced one-handed catches (seriously, he promoted the fact he spent a lot of time practicing one-handed catches), which helped him make highlight reels for spectacular catches. He did this though wearing gloves that do most of the work.

He's a 5'11 receiver whose quickness has been impacted heafvily by multiple injuries in recent years. I am not saying he is a bad receiver, but he has never been anything special.

He had one or two good seasons when he entered the NFL years ago and he has been living off them ever since. His greated highlight reel catch was against the Cowboys in 2015 (7 years ago) in a game his team actually lost.

NFL history is littered with 1-2 year wonders that were anointed future Hall of Famers only to see their careers nose-dive in subsequent years due to injuries or the rest of the league figuring out how to stop them.

If OBJ was healthy, I could see the Cowboys adding him as a 3rd receiver, but at this point, I trust James Washington's recovery more than I do OBJ's.

all valid points but if healthy he would be the #2 over Gallup or certainly very close. It’s mostly insurance against injury to the top 2 current receivers. We currently have the least talented and experienced WR corp among the top contenders in the league. After 1 and 2 it goes south pretty fast

basically it has nothing to do with OBJ…..any WR more talented than Washington, Brown and Tolbert would fit the bill

 

[DanA]

Saquon Barkley had a great first season for the Giants and the fans and media were raving about him being the next great running back, but injuries have changed that in all seasons since.

The NFL is full of 1-2 year future HoF players that regress to average players due to injuries and other factors. I have seen way too many "future HoF players" have good or even great seasons their first couple of years only to see them become average or worse in the seasons that follow.

It's not always their fault as I said several times because injuries do play a factor, but as others have mentioned so do the players and coaches surrounding them. Like running backs, there are few receivers who remain star players in their 30s. Most of them live off their "remember that year when.." stories and reputations.

As I have said though, I do not think OBJ is a bad receiver. I just do not see what other people see in him, especially in recent years and that was before the SB injury.

The NFL is not full of WR that have done what Odell Beckham Jnr did his first three years. Up until Justin Jefferson this year there was only Randy Moss out of the thousands that have played.

 

[quickccc]

The one thing he has done in his career to get recognition is that he heavily practiced one-handed catches (seriously, he promoted the fact he spent a lot of time practicing one-handed catches), which helped him make highlight reels for spectacular catches. He did this though wearing gloves that do most of the work.

He's a 5'11 receiver whose quickness has been impacted heafvily by multiple injuries in recent years. I am not saying he is a bad receiver, but he has never been anything special.

He had one or two good seasons when he entered the NFL years ago and he has been living off them ever since. His greated highlight reel catch was against the Cowboys in 2015 (7 years ago) in a game his team actually lost.

NFL history is littered with 1-2 year wonders that were anointed future Hall of Famers only to see their careers nose-dive in subsequent years due to injuries or the rest of the league figuring out how to stop them.

If OBJ was healthy, I could see the Cowboys adding him as a 3rd receiver, but at this point, I trust James Washington's recovery more than I do OBJ's.

- Before his ACL issues, and durability questions, and despite the diva drama he’s always brought to the stage
Beckham had both the alpha male mentality and the skill set that made him an elite lead WR.

- Physically at the top of his game, he’s only been limited by QB and OC, imo.
I used to ask myself what’s the difference between OBJ and Amari Cooper, since both were Pro Bowl WRs and their game, style seemed based off
very quick feet and shifty route-running.

- The closer observer may point out that a Beckham will and has not back down to
a shut down CB like Josh Norman. He won’t curl up and got into a shell.
He’ll compete and get his bested shares of that showdown.
While a Amari Cooper cannot shake and separate vs a Darius Slay, etc.

- That’s also a reason why you have to careful not to be misled by just “padded” high receiving stats.
Even the likes of ex-Cowboys WRs Roy Williams and Allen Hurts have been to Pro Bowls and had such padded catch stats on previous teams
Especially on poor, sorry losing teams that are constantly in catch up pass mode in blowout losses in virtually every game.

 

[G2]

He needs a complete right leg rebuild.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

There is only a shine to his name because the Rams ended up winning the Super Bowl, and that was a star stuffed team. His tenure with the Giants led to one playoff game in which he decided to take that stupid boat picture. His Brown's tenure was all injuries and moping. And he got hurt in the SB. Pass, especially the money he's expecting

 

[Risen Star]

Frank Clark.

Man, you were a first name away from some serious problems.

 

[Risen Star]

He needs a complete right leg rebuild.

I thought it was the left leg. He's had 5 significant injuries since 2017 and all to his left leg.