I Just Don't See A Huge Gap Between Dak and Rush

[Blitzen]

Keep twisting in the wind.

YOU'RE the one who made the proclomation about "elite pocket passers", so the burden of proof is on YOU.

Thanks for playing!

Actually, I tried to have a rational discussion with you. It got off to an okay start. I mentioned that I do not view Dak’s game to be in line with elite pocket passers such as Brees, Brady, Peyton, etc. You got butt hurt and asked for a full listing of players that I consider elite pocket passers that aged well as though it was a major arguing piece.

My general argument has not changed. I don’t see Dak’s game and play style or talent in the same class as those QB’s. Do you? Dak has regressed heavily. If you cannot see it yet-just wait till next season. Thanks for the congratulations on my win. Until next time-I’m done for this discussion.

 

[Nav22]

Ite

So your point is that I cannot provide a full listing of all QB’s that I consider elite that aged well into their mid 30’s?

I was never attempting to argue it. It’s just inane babble. I was debating whether Dak would age well into his 30’s. I cannot think of one QB that was similar in talent level and playing style that played into their 30’s at a high level. Obviously, you cannot think of one example let alone a full list. So my point is won. Thanks for the debate.

"I cannot think of one QB that was similar in talent level and playing style that played into their 30’s at a high level."

LMAOOOOO!!! So that's your strategy.

Keep it vague enough so that even when I give you names, you'll say, "Nuh-uh, Dak's style of play isn't close enough to his!!!"

Here's an easy one: Ben Roethlisberger.

Used his mobility to buy time in the pocket, never really known as an "elite pocket passer" (another made-up beauty from you).

Now go ahead and tell me why this example doesn't count.... you know, because that was literally your entire strategy.

 

[Blitzen]

Ite

"I cannot think of one QB that was similar in talent level and playing style that played into their 30’s at a high level."

LMAOOOOO!!! So that's your strategy.

Keep it vague enough so that even when I give you names, you'll say, "Nuh-uh, Dak's style of play isn't close enough to his!!!"

Here's an easy one: Ben Roethlisberger.

Used his mobility to buy time in the pocket, never really known as an "elite pocket passer" (another made-up beauty from you).

Now go ahead and tell me why this example doesn't count.... you know, because that was literally your entire strategy.

 

[Nav22]

Too predictable.

"Nuh-uh, they're not similar enough! His name has way more syllables than Dak's!!"

Clown.

 

[Hadenough]

exagerate much....! seriously some people.

there is combine Data on arm strength and ball speed....so that data totally blows away your drunk eye test.
and the 10 yard short throws and the QB with the weak arm, who sucked even as a rookie went 13-3....he sucked.

wait, I forgot. my apologies. wins are a team thing, losses are on the QB. if Dak was any good, we would have been 16-0 that season.

LMAO! Can't throw the ball 35 feet without moving his feet. I could freaking do that!
Oh and let's not forget about him getting his azz beat in the parking lot of a college game. An NFL QB should have a pretty solid power and Dak should of knocked that guy out but he probably hit him and the dude laughed. LMAO!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LMAO! Can't throw the ball 35 feet without moving his feet. I could freaking do that!
Oh and let's not forget about him getting his azz beat in the parking lot of a college game. An NFL QB should have a pretty solid power and Dak should of knocked that guy out but he probably hit him and the dude laughed. LMAO!

What are you like 6 or 7?

So many layers of stupidity in your comment. I can write a book about it...

Grow up troll. You are oh sooooo desperate for attention. I wonder why?

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

We can restructure that and save $36M on next year's cap.

What will we do with those savings? That's up to Jerry and Stephen.

Speaking of the Joneses, they've been cheap in regards to outside free agents for YEARS (even back when Dak was on a rookie deal), and we still won 12 games each of the last 3 years.

Blaming Dak's contract for their cheapness is silly.

Defending the Trash QB1 is silly . Why re-structure ? Better to cut his washed up ... and pull a Denver .
Time to move on

 

[BlueStar22]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

You need to see an optometrist with that eyeball opinion.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Dak is garbage .

He is a backup , and has always been .

 

[Nav22]

Defending the Trash QB1 is silly . Why re-structure ? Better to cut his washed up ... and pull a Denver .
Time to move on

Yeah, no.

2nd Team All-Pro in 2023. Those guys don't grow on trees. Fix the trash around him.

76-46 record as a starter despite complete garbage running the team.

 

[HanD]

LOL. this is just too funny. there are 18 QBs who make 30M or more. there are 15 that make 40M or more and 9 that make 50M or more..

you are still living in 2020. its now 2025 when you went into coma.
so to catch you up, things have changed a lot since....there are 6 WRs that make more than 30M. Kirk cousin got 45M and got benched. there are DL men that make 30+, there are 16 OL men that make more than 20M...

you got a lot of catching up to do to today's NFL. read up a bit and I will catch you up more in a bit

And all of those guys I listed were better contracts than dak this year. Kirk at 45 is better than dark at 58 because dak isn't a consistent difference maker than can carry his team. You wanna make a terrible mistake on his contract and keep doubling down by restructuring, enjoy cause it's not going to end well. Catch me up when he's gone from this team on how many and he's won.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And all of those guys I listed were better contracts than dak this year. Kirk at 45 is better than dark at 58 because dak isn't a consistent difference maker than can carry his team. You wanna make a terrible mistake on his contract and keep doubling down by restructuring, enjoy cause it's not going to end well. Catch me up when he's gone from this team on how many and he's won.

So Kirk at 45 is better than Dak contra t. In the meantime he was a 45M back up!!!

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

My point which you missed by a wide mile. Thisn8s the new.NFL. 18 QBs making over 30. And here you are complaining. Unless you want to tell me that 17 of them are elite or great QBs.

You are so far behind. Clueless I say.

 

[HanD]

So Kirk at 45 is better than Dak contra t. In the meantime he was a 45M back up!!!

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

My point which you missed by a wide mile. Thisn8s the new.NFL. 18 QBs making over 30. And here you are complaining. Unless you want to tell me that 17 of them are elite or great QBs.

You are so far behind. Clueless I say.

What I didn't make up is that Kirk played as well or better than dak this year. That's the whole point. Dak wasn't worth his contact.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What I didn't make up is that Kirk played as well or better than dak this year. That's the whole point. Dak wasn't worth his contact.

the question should be is any QB making 30M and above worth it? is any QB making 40 and above worth it. is any QB making 50 and above worth it?

some will argue yes, but then you look at the teams and what they did when they handed those contracts to those QB. I will argue, outside of Mahomes and Burrows, the rest need to have a good, strong team around them. now, are they able to succeed when given those resources is another question. and I think that's where Dak has failed at times.

this year, we had Zeke starting as our top dog RB....we know how that ended up. we replaced two veteran OL men, with two rookies and expected everything to fall in place and no down grading. tolbert was second dog due to Cooks injuries. now, these may sound like excuses to defend Dak, but its reality of what happened. this defense this year, specially earlier in the year sucked. because we took a decent, not great, not really that good, a decent DT and replaced him with crap, and made a trade for another one and then put him on IR.

do I expect more from Dak? yes I do, but salaries are what they are. we can sit here and complain and opinionate, etc. but market is what it is. based on 2023 results, Dak's agent was going to get him the money. the problem is Jerry Jones. he could have negotiated and paid Dak 55M, which was about what several others signed, but he waited and milked the publicity until literally the last hour..... he left himself no choice. he had no QBs under contract for 25 and gave Dak's agent all the leverage. this is the 3rd time he has done that, so the idiot is Jerry for continuing to put himself in that position.

with that said, my opinion was that its best for Dak and cowboys to walk away from each other and get a fresh start. Dak isn't going to succeed in Dallas. no player or QB will. its just not our culture. its not who we are. its not our focus. Mahomes couldn't win here and Jerry would find a way to screw him up too.

and Jerry accomplished exactly what he wanted. generate attention, negative or positive, given he has said he likes both. we sit here and argue about Dak and his numbers incessantly. its in the media and cowboys dominate the media. Jerry wanted to market this thing and he accomplished exactly that.

 

[HanD]

the question should be is any QB making 30M and above worth it? is any QB making 40 and above worth it. is any QB making 50 and above worth it?

some will argue yes, but then you look at the teams and what they did when they handed those contracts to those QB. I will argue, outside of Mahomes and Burrows, the rest need to have a good, strong team around them. now, are they able to succeed when given those resources is another question. and I think that's where Dak has failed at times.

this year, we had Zeke starting as our top dog RB....we know how that ended up. we replaced two veteran OL men, with two rookies and expected everything to fall in place and no down grading. tolbert was second dog due to Cooks injuries. now, these may sound like excuses to defend Dak, but its reality of what happened. this defense this year, specially earlier in the year sucked. because we took a decent, not great, not really that good, a decent DT and replaced him with crap, and made a trade for another one and then put him on IR.

do I expect more from Dak? yes I do, but salaries are what they are. we can sit here and complain and opinionate, etc. but market is what it is. based on 2023 results, Dak's agent was going to get him the money. the problem is Jerry Jones. he could have negotiated and paid Dak 55M, which was about what several others signed, but he waited and milked the publicity until literally the last hour..... he left himself no choice. he had no QBs under contract for 25 and gave Dak's agent all the leverage. this is the 3rd time he has done that, so the idiot is Jerry for continuing to put himself in that position.

with that said, my opinion was that its best for Dak and cowboys to walk away from each other and get a fresh start. Dak isn't going to succeed in Dallas. no player or QB will. its just not our culture. its not who we are. its not our focus. Mahomes couldn't win here and Jerry would find a way to screw him up too.

and Jerry accomplished exactly what he wanted. generate attention, negative or positive, given he has said he likes both. we sit here and argue about Dak and his numbers incessantly. its in the media and cowboys dominate the media. Jerry wanted to market this thing and he accomplished exactly that.

If dak wanted to succeed he should have taken less to have more around him. That's what was most disappointing for me. He's so good at times and terrible at other times and the playoffs. Don't say you aren't playing for money then go for a short deal on your second contract and break the bank on the third.

But that's also on the fo for waiting the first time and this time even giving him his deal before playing out the year if he wasn't going to relent anything in negotiations. They're going to restructure and push more money into the future which gives less chances to walk away from dak.

I just hope Micah sticks to his word and doesn't kill with his contract. Give us another tyron smith type deal. I get it, it's business but I'm rooting for what is best for the team.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If dak wanted to succeed he should have taken less to have more around him. That's what was most disappointing for me. He's so good at times and terrible at other times and the playoffs. Don't say you aren't playing for money then go for a short deal on your second contract and break the bank on the third.

But that's also on the fo for waiting the first time and this time even giving him his deal before playing out the year if he wasn't going to relent anything in negotiations. They're going to restructure and push more money into the future which gives less chances to walk away from dak.

I just hope Micah sticks to his word and doesn't kill with his contract. Give us another tyron smith type deal. I get it, it's business but I'm rooting for what is best for the team.

What more? We had 23 M. We could have signed Henry at 5 M cap hit. Instead we signed zeke to save 2,3M.

And 5 of the other QBs who.signed recently were on 4 year deals. 3 on 5 year deals.

This money thing is a fan driven and created narrative because in their mind Dak is not worth that money. Ok. Fine. It's an opinion. But it Has nothing to do with reality of how NFL works. And pushing money to future and restructuring is how NFL works. Everybody does it. And some who know what they are doing get to.superbowl. those like Cowboys who don't have winning as a priority sit on the edge of relevance which is what Jerry wants.

Like I said our cap and contracts are not an issue. Jerry is.

 

[HanD]

What more? We had 23 M. We could have signed Henry at 5 M cap hit. Instead we signed zeke to save 2,3M.

And 5 of the other QBs who.signed recently were on 4 year deals. 3 on 5 year deals.

This money thing is a fan driven and created narrative because in their mind Dak is not worth that money. Ok. Fine. It's an opinion. But it Has nothing to do with reality of how NFL works. And pushing money to future and restructuring is how NFL works. Everybody does it. And some who know what they are doing get to.superbowl. those like Cowboys who don't have winning as a priority sit on the edge of relevance which is what Jerry wants.

Like I said our cap and contracts are not an issue. Jerry is.

Restructuring is great for players you want to keep or performers. The first hint of a player underperforming or wanting to find an out, restructuring is a mistake that prevents trading or cutting and prolongs the pain by pushing the cap hit to later years.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Restructuring is great for players you want to keep or performers. The first hint of a player underperforming or wanting to find an out, restructuring is a mistake that prevents trading or cutting and prolongs the pain by pushing the cap hit to later years.

I don't disagree. with cowboys it seems they all just don't perform. Lawrence has been restructured so many times. he ended up with 7 years of gauranteed contracts. he is always injured. Diggs. Dak. Zeke. Smith. Steele., Gallup, etc.

pushing the cap into the future is the only tool teams have in contract structures. everyone pays the piper at some point. you just hope you were competitive in the process. Rams did and have a trophy to show for it. Eagles are doing it. so will detroit. Eagles got to the superbowl. Detroit to the NFCCG.

 

[conner01]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

Now we know why you aren’t a NFL GM lol

 

[zrinkill]

Nobody does except the Dak agenda boys.