I Just Don't See A Huge Gap Between Dak and Rush

[Nav22]

Part of the deal is Dak has to play against teams not named the Eagles. Maybe for $65 million per season he can bother to beat other teams, too. The Cowboys are more likely to come in 4th next season than 2nd. That is Cowboys’ fans reality.

The "deal" is that Dak is our QB until we have our next potential franchise QB in the building.

Period.

Anyone who wants Dak gone NOW, with Cooper Rush and Trey Lance as the alternatives, is out of touch with how NFL football works.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The "deal" is that Dak is our QB until we have our next potential franchise QB in the building.

Period.

Anyone who wants Dak gone NOW, with Cooper Rush and Trey Lance as the alternatives, is out of touch with how NFL football works.

Unfortunately all 17 games are not against the Eagles.

 

[Blitzen]

The "deal" is that Dak is our QB until we have our next potential franchise QB in the building.

Period.

Anyone who wants Dak gone NOW, with Cooper Rush and Trey Lance as the alternatives, is out of touch with how NFL football works.

Honest question. Do you see the finite life of Dak as a viable starting QB? I’ve seen you switch from inane to reasonable pretty quickly. Dak’s shelf life looks expired. Ideal situation would be to find a quality QB to replace him with. Most teams do not have the next guy in the locker room. They draft a guy or trade-but many times it’s just out of necessity. The next guy will not likely get the number one offensive line and running game to lean on in their early years. Either way, the end is nigh-no matter the contract. He has to prove worthy on the field of play, and that includes staying healthy. They won more games without him than they did with him-and he played half the season. He’s no difference maker except on the stat sheet against teams Cooper Rush can win against.

 

[Nav22]

Unfortunately all 17 games are not against the Eagles.

Would you feel any better if I told you Dak has thoroughly dominated all 3 of our division opponents, not just the Eagles?

Psst... that's the sign of a damn good QB.

76-46 career record despite Jerry and Stephen running the show. Imagine thinking Dak's the problem.

 

[Nav22]

Honest question. Do you see the finite life of Dak as a viable starting QB? I’ve seen you switch from inane to reasonable pretty quickly. Dak’s shelf life looks expired. Ideal situation would be to find a quality QB to replace him with. Most teams do not have the next guy in the locker room. They draft a guy or trade-but many times it’s just out of necessity. The next guy will not likely get the number one offensive line and running game to lean on in their early years. Either way, the end is nigh-no matter the contract. He has to prove worthy on the field of play, and that includes staying healthy. They won more games without him than they did with him-and he played half the season. He’s no difference maker except on the stat sheet against teams Cooper Rush can win against.

"Expired"? Uh, no. He had his best regular season in 2023.

I fully expect him to bounce back and have at least a very good 2025 regular season.

The team won more without him because they started playing NFL-level defense only after he got hurt. They also figured out that Zeke doesn't deserve to see the field.

"Find a quality QB to replace him with"? Good luck. Easier said than done. We'll cross that bridge with Dak if we ever do find that next quality QB.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Would you feel any better if I told you Dak has thoroughly dominated all 3 of our division opponents, not just the Eagles?

Psst... that's the sign of a damn good QB.

76-46 career record despite Jerry and Stephen running the show. Imagine thinking Dak's the problem.

I’d feel better if Dak would perform well in the playoffs. I’m not particular who the Cowboys beat in playoffs games.

 

[Nav22]

I’d feel better if Dak would perform well in the playoffs. I’m not particular who the Cowboys beat in playoffs games.

I'd be lying if I said I was confident in Dak in the playoffs. Not after the way he choked away the 1st half vs Green Bay.

He's played well in the playoffs before though. So that's something.

He has nothing left to prove as a regular season QB. He's figured that part out.

Legacies are made in the playoffs, but you need to get there first.

 

[Blitzen]

"Expired"? Uh, no. He had his best regular season in 2023.

I fully expect him to bounce back and have at least a very good 2025 regular season.

The team won more without him because they started playing NFL-level defense only after he got hurt. They also figured out that Zeke doesn't deserve to see the field.

"Find a quality QB to replace him with"? Good luck. Easier said than done. We'll cross that bridge with Dak if we ever do find that next quality QB.

He will be 32 next season, which is getting up there for QB’s that are not dominant pocket passer QB’s. He’s suffered numerous injuries in the past 4 seasons-two that ended his season and involved his legs.

He may never have been a major scrambler and runner, but he definitely trucked guys on occasion and would dodge around the pocket and bootleg lots. Pushing guys off you that are trying to pull you down takes lots of coordination and lower body strength. The poor pass blocking from the tackles really exposed how good Tyron Smith was for this team even when he was aging. You can fully expect a bounce back season, and we will see if he can even escape the pocket occasionally-which looked close to impossible this season before the injury.

Never said it’s easy to find elite QB’s. It’s also not easy to assemble elite surrounding rosters. Both are extremely difficult to do. The Cowboys currently have neither which makes the reasoning to hold on to him so long moot. The Cowboys bet heavily that Dak would age like a fine wine, but it’s looking like crappy vinegar thus far into the new contract. He keeps this up, and they will find a replacement whether it is quality or not.

 

[Nav22]

He will be 32 next season, which is getting up there for QB’s that are not dominant pocket passer QB’s. He’s suffered numerous injuries in the past 4 seasons-two that ended his season and involved his legs.

He may never have been a major scrambler and runner, but he definitely trucked guys on occasion and would dodge around the pocket and bootleg lots. Pushing guys off you that are trying to pull you down takes lots of coordination and lower body strength. The poor pass blocking from the tackles really exposed how good Tyron Smith was for this team even when he was aging. You can fully expect a bounce back season, and we will see if he can even escape the pocket occasionally-which looked close to impossible this season before the injury.

Never said it’s easy to find elite QB’s. It’s also not easy to assemble elite surrounding rosters. Both are extremely difficult to do. The Cowboys currently have neither which makes the reasoning to hold on to him so long moot. The Cowboys bet heavily that Dak would age like a fine wine, but it’s looking like crappy vinegar thus far into the new contract. He keeps this up, and they will find a replacement whether it is quality or not.

32 is actually pretty young for QBs. He did most of his damage from inside the pocket last year. And he's still mobile enough to get out on the edge and throw on the run.

He's the same guy who was terrific in 2023. He didn't become "washed up" in a year, at age 32.

The defense, personnel and playcalling were abysmal while he was the QB in 2024. McCarthy needs to go.

Imagine if Dak had the weapons and supporting cast of a Jalen Hurts.

Dak's not the problem. Well, in the regular season, at least... Green Bay playoff game still has me shook.

 

[Blitzen]

32 is actually pretty young for QBs. He did most of his damage from inside the pocket last year. And he's still mobile enough to get out on the edge and throw on the run.

He's the same guy who was terrific in 2023. He didn't become "washed up" in a year, at age 32.

The defense, personnel and playcalling were abysmal while he was the QB in 2024. McCarthy needs to go.

Imagine if Dak had the weapons and supporting cast of a Jalen Hurts.

Dak's not the problem. Well, in the regular season, at least... Green Bay playoff game still has me shook.

He is not the same guy. People do not age backwards. 32 is only young for elite pocket passers. Every QB has to be able to escape some pressure. Either by running or shifting around while still looking downfield.

Dak may not be the only problem, but moving into the future with a guy that looked that immobile this season is not going to age well. Imagining him playing with better personnel is silly because it’s not reality. He will need to make do with what he’s got. And it may never be as good or better than he got way back in 2016.

 

[GINeric]

I don't. You keep claiming he is a top 10 QB but that ranking is based on what? Your opinion? My opinion is that his body of work is largely based on stats wracked up against bad to below average teams. Put him up against a decent defense and the dude doesn't just struggle he absolutely folds. Now we can blame the team around him etc. But it doesn't change the fact that his play goes to absolute hell when playing decent defenses. I'm sure you will claim all QB's have this - sure, but do those other QB's absolutely fall apart? A perfect example is that first half against GB - defense is getting shredded and the offense is out there sleep walking. Mr. Leader there can't even bother to rally the troops? Where is this mythical leadership we keep hearing about? Sorry but what you have here is fools gold.

Listen... we all know Dak isn't elite. But he definitely is a starting NFL quarterback. And yes, if you check his production since he's been in the league... his production has landed him amongst the top ten quarterbacks.

NFL football is still a team game. Every short coming of the Dallas Cowboys isn't all his fault.

Did you realize that our team has led the league in penalties for three years straight? Dak committed none of them. Again Dak is not an elite quarterback. But our team failure is not ALL on him.

 

[Johannes44]

Listen... we all know Dak isn't elite. But he definitely is a starting NFL quarterback. And yes, if you check his production since he's been in the league... his production has landed him amongst the top ten quarterbacks.

NFL football is still a team game. Every short coming of the Dallas Cowboys isn't all his fault.

Did you realize that our team has led the league in penalties for three years straight? Dak committed none of them. Again Dak is not an elite quarterback. But our team failure is not ALL on him.

Agree to disagree, you say he's a starting QB. I say he is the product of a bad GM on a reasonably talented team that has carried him.

 

[Nav22]

He is not the same guy. People do not age backwards. 32 is only young for elite pocket passers. Every QB has to be able to escape some pressure. Either by running or shifting around while still looking downfield.

Dak may not be the only problem, but moving into the future with a guy that looked that immobile this season is not going to age well. Imagining him playing with better personnel is silly because it’s not reality. He will need to make do with what he’s got. And it may never be as good or better than he got way back in 2016.

"Elite pocket passers" is an odd qualifier.

Dak was a 2nd Team All-Pro who led the NFL in TD passes in 2023.

He's never been a speed demon.

So how did he play so well in 2023 without being an "elite pocket passer"?

 

[kiheikiwi]

Agree to disagree, you say he's a starting QB. I say he is the product of a bad GM on a reasonably talented team that has carried him.

Couldn't disagree any stronger - this is delusional. You're bias is showing.

 

[kskboys]

Honest question. Do you see the finite life of Dak as a viable starting QB? I’ve seen you switch from inane to reasonable pretty quickly. Dak’s shelf life looks expired. Ideal situation would be to find a quality QB to replace him with. Most teams do not have the next guy in the locker room. They draft a guy or trade-but many times it’s just out of necessity. The next guy will not likely get the number one offensive line and running game to lean on in their early years. Either way, the end is nigh-no matter the contract. He has to prove worthy on the field of play, and that includes staying healthy. They won more games without him than they did with him-and he played half the season. He’s no difference maker except on the stat sheet against teams Cooper Rush can win against.

Well said.

 

[plasticman]

The gap is 11.4 points a game.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Honest question. Do you see the finite life of Dak as a viable starting QB? I’ve seen you switch from inane to reasonable pretty quickly. Dak’s shelf life looks expired. Ideal situation would be to find a quality QB to replace him with. Most teams do not have the next guy in the locker room. They draft a guy or trade-but many times it’s just out of necessity. The next guy will not likely get the number one offensive line and running game to lean on in their early years. Either way, the end is nigh-no matter the contract. He has to prove worthy on the field of play, and that includes staying healthy. They won more games without him than they did with him-and he played half the season. He’s no difference maker except on the stat sheet against teams Cooper Rush can win against.

After Dak Prescott the Cowboys are nothing. He’s all the team has and that’s why Jerry paid him. Parsons is special, but you cannot ride an edge rusher to the Super Bowl. Lamb is a legitimate top five receiver in the NFL. The rest of the roster, the other 50 guys, are ham and eggers.

The fantasies expressed here about Vaughn and Lance are worthy of Disneyland. They are otherwise foolishness. The Cowboys are not good. Have an owner that can’t compete in the contemporary NFL. No reason to believe the team will pull out of its tailspin. Cowboys fans laughing at the Giants for keeping their GM and Head Coach says it all. Cowboys have an 82 year old GM that can’t be terminated and in five days have no head coach.

Let’s be honest. Washington and Philly are eying each other and hoping the Giants don’t find a quarterback. That is where the Cowboys are in today’s NFL.

 

[Blitzen]

"Elite pocket passers" is an odd qualifier.

Dak was a 2nd Team All-Pro who led the NFL in TD passes in 2023.

He's never been a speed demon.

So how did he play so well in 2023 without being an "elite pocket passer"?

Because Ceedee Lamb is elite at gaining quick separation on his routes. A top 10 WR currently in the league with elite YAC ability. It alters the way defenses must play. Ceedee started getting double covered and defenses started understanding the route trees and motion which is why the offense looked so awful against GB and this season.

Ceedee currently is the offense whether Dak or Rush are starting. Everything flows off of his play. You want to see how bad this offense can look-take Ceedee off the field. Every counter argument seems to hinge on the magical 2023 season.

Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning were able to extend their careers by quick release offenses (exceptions to the rule). Guys that basically live inside the pocket their entire career-though Aaron had great maneuverability when plays broke down (running towards a sideline and firing the ball downfield at the last moment).

That has never been Dak’s QB game. Most QB’s are not good starters in their mid to late 30’s. Their arms and legs lose a step and they are suddenly washed.

 

[Blitzen]

After Dak Prescott the Cowboys are nothing. He’s all the team has and that’s why Jerry paid him. Parsons is special, but you cannot ride an edge rusher to the Super Bowl. Lamb is a legitimate top five receiver in the NFL. The rest of the roster, the other 50 guys, are ham and eggers.

The fantasies expressed here about Vaughn and Lance are worthy of Disneyland. They are otherwise foolishness. The Cowboys are not good. Have an owner that can’t compete in the contemporary NFL. No reason to believe the team will pull out of its tailspin. Cowboys fans laughing at the Giants for keeping their GM and Head Coach says it all. Cowboys have an 82 year old GM that can’t be terminated and in five days have no head coach.

Let’s be honest. Washington and Philly are eying each other and hoping the Giants don’t find a quarterback. That is where the Cowboys are in today’s NFL.

The team was terrible with him and without him this season. They weren’t going anywhere significant the next few seasons. The contract was to sell some merchandise and pray he could keep the team at 0.500 or better and make the playoffs. Year one was a fail plus another severe leg injury to an aging player. Year two coming right up.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The team was terrible with him and without him this season. They weren’t going anywhere significant the next few seasons. The contract was to sell some merchandise and pray he could keep the team at 0.500 or better and make the playoffs. Year one was a fail plus another severe leg injury to an aging player. Year two coming right up.

Anyone who is the Cowboys quarterback will sell jerseys. Stop with the jersey sales nonsense. Fans of every team will buy the crap. Cowboys fans always want to talk jersey sales because they collectively purchase more swag than any fanbase on earth. They’re also collectively more stupid than any fanbase on earth. If you don’t like the team, don’t like Jerry, don’t like Dak, too bad. You’re a Dallas Cowboys fan and there is nothing you can do about it.