I Just Don't See A Huge Gap Between Dak and Rush

[Blitzen]

Anyone who is the Cowboys quarterback will sell jerseys. Stop with the jersey sales nonsense. Fans of every team will buy the crap. Cowboys fans always want to talk jersey sales because they collectively purchase more swag than any fanbase on earth. They’re also collectively more stupid than any fanbase on earth. If you don’t like the team, don’t like Jerry, don’t like Dak, too bad. You’re a Dallas Cowboys fan and there is nothing you can do about it.

Never said that I could. Calm down. Reality is not always happy sprinkled cupcakes.

Would you like to hear me praise Micah’s speed as an edge rusher? Beebe’s steady improvement? Negative discussion to cease? I’m able to separate my general thought of the Cowboy’s chances and way of business with my outlook on life. The team has next to zero to do with my emotions. But, I still can enjoy watching them as a past time with fellow fans and cheer for TD’s from Dak while still expressing my thoughts on his overall play and why Jones paid him.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Never said that I could. Calm down. Reality is not always happy sprinkled cupcakes.

Would you like to hear me praise Micah’s speed as an edge rusher? Beebe’s steady improvement? Negative discussion to cease? I’m able to separate my general thought of the Cowboy’s chances and way of business with my outlook on life. The team has next to zero to do with my emotions. But, I still can enjoy watching them as a past time with fellow fans and cheer for TD’s from Dak while still expressing my thoughts on his overall play and why Jones paid him.

The team has next to zero to do with anything. You know it and so do I.

 

[Nav22]

Because Ceedee Lamb is elite at gaining quick separation on his routes. A top 10 WR currently in the league with elite YAC ability. It alters the way defenses must play. Ceedee started getting double covered and defenses started understanding the route trees and motion which is why the offense looked so awful against GB and this season.

Ceedee currently is the offense whether Dak or Rush are starting. Everything flows off of his play. You want to see how bad this offense can look-take Ceedee off the field. Every counter argument seems to hinge on the magical 2023 season.

Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning were able to extend their careers by quick release offenses (exceptions to the rule). Guys that basically live inside the pocket their entire career-though Aaron had great maneuverability when plays broke down (running towards a sideline and firing the ball downfield at the last moment).

That has never been Dak’s QB game. Most QB’s are not good starters in their mid to late 30’s. Their arms and legs lose a step and they are suddenly washed.

LOL!

So Dak's the only QB in the league who's not allowed to have an elite receiving option?

Is Joe Burrow an "elite pocket passer"? He has TWO elite WRs to throw to, not one.

What a silly argument. Dak was excellent in the pocket in 2023, but now it doesn't count because CeeDee Lamb's a great WR?

 

[Blitzen]

The team has next to zero to do with anything. You know it and so do I.

And? I agree. But we still come here to post our perspectives occasionally.

 

[Blitzen]

LOL!

So Dak's the only QB in the league who's not allowed to have an elite receiving option?

Is Joe Burrow an "elite pocket passer"? He has TWO elite WRs to throw to, not one.

What a silly argument. Dak was excellent in the pocket in 2023, but now it doesn't count because CeeDee Lamb's a great WR?

No-now you’re headed towards the inane version of yourself. Dak is like many capable steady QB’s. Give lots of B talent QB’s very good pass blocking or run blocking with at least 2 high end weapons and lots of points and stats will accumulate.

You seem concerned with how reverent people are to Dak’s supposed accomplishments. I am more concerned with his playing trajectory. Like others have said-he is the QB for at least next season and highly likely the next 2. My outlook on his trajectory is not with a great bounce back season unless he suddenly ages backwards (which no human ever has-maybe he will be the first). His style of play and natural strengths are not aligned with the traditional pocket passers I mentioned-nor with Burrow since you mentioned him.

His natural throwing motion and the way he generates power to throw require him to have a nice stable base. His natural arm throwing power is not good, so he torques up his lower half to help generate the necessary power. He can also do some short and mid level throws if he is rolling fast to his right. Like many other QB’s, he needs to basically stop running and set if he rolls towards his left. If you cannot tell that he was doing way more torquing up to generate power this season (before injury), or that he was having immense difficulty just shifting away from some pressure then we are seeing two completely different players.

 

[Hadenough]

No-now you’re headed towards the inane version of yourself. Dak is like many capable steady QB’s. Give lots of B talent QB’s very good pass blocking or run blocking with at least 2 high end weapons and lots of points and stats will accumulate.

You seem concerned with how reverent people are to Dak’s supposed accomplishments. I am more concerned with his playing trajectory. Like others have said-he is the QB for at least next season and highly likely the next 2. My outlook on his trajectory is not with a great bounce back season unless he suddenly ages backwards (which no human ever has-maybe he will be the first). His style of play and natural strengths are not aligned with the traditional pocket passers I mentioned-nor with Burrow since you mentioned him.

His natural throwing motion and the way he generates power to throw require him to have a nice stable base. His natural arm throwing power is not good, so he torques up his lower half to help generate the necessary power. He can also do some short and mid level throws if he is rolling fast to his right. Like many other QB’s, he needs to basically stop running and set if he rolls towards his left. If you cannot tell that he was doing way more torquing up to generate power this season (before injury), or that he was having immense difficulty just shifting away from some pressure then we are seeing two completely different players.

Remember Daks first season. He had a handful of plays where Beasley was wide open in the flat. Dak has about 20 yard throw and he had to arm the ball. It fell 10 feet short of Beasley. That was the giveaway to me that this dude has a weak arm. This happened several times and yet every NFL QB in the league can flick the ball 20 yards. This is also why he has such a slow delivery. Also having to wind up on every throw leads to accuracy issues when your time is clock is shortened. Everything you mentioned is true and with this latest injury Dak is going to really struggle.

 

[HanD]

To answer your question, no I probably wouldn’t do that. I think this is not about Rush being good and maybe more about realizing Dak (especially aging Dak) is t that good

this. we aren't saying rush is worth 30-40m annually but dak surely isn't worth 60 or anywhere close. i'd take dak or darnold or geno or baker or jamesis at 30-40 over our current situation.

 

[Nav22]

No-now you’re headed towards the inane version of yourself. Dak is like many capable steady QB’s. Give lots of B talent QB’s very good pass blocking or run blocking with at least 2 high end weapons and lots of points and stats will accumulate.

You seem concerned with how reverent people are to Dak’s supposed accomplishments. I am more concerned with his playing trajectory. Like others have said-he is the QB for at least next season and highly likely the next 2. My outlook on his trajectory is not with a great bounce back season unless he suddenly ages backwards (which no human ever has-maybe he will be the first). His style of play and natural strengths are not aligned with the traditional pocket passers I mentioned-nor with Burrow since you mentioned him.

His natural throwing motion and the way he generates power to throw require him to have a nice stable base. His natural arm throwing power is not good, so he torques up his lower half to help generate the necessary power. He can also do some short and mid level throws if he is rolling fast to his right. Like many other QB’s, he needs to basically stop running and set if he rolls towards his left. If you cannot tell that he was doing way more torquing up to generate power this season (before injury), or that he was having immense difficulty just shifting away from some pressure then we are seeing two completely different players.

You can't even define your made-up qualifiers.

Who are these "elite pocket passers" who can age well? Name them all.

Can't wait to see which other former All-Pros you leave out!

 

[McMicah]

31 other GM's look at that and say that Dak isn't 58 million dollars more talented than Cooper Rush. Hell his one attribute that set him above Rush was his ability to run and now that's gone. No one is saying Rush is a starting QB or a franchise QB. They are saying that Dak Prescott is neither of those things.

Nailed it

 

[Blitzen]

You can't even define your made-up qualifiers.

Who are these "elite pocket passers" who can age well? Name them all.

Can't wait to see which other former All-Pros you leave out!

Don’t get hurt feelings. You were doing so well. Why are you so worried about me not including Dak in a subjective listing?

Maybe a more efficient way to answer your question is for you to say that you see Dak’s QB game (not stats but play style he uses for his success) is comparable to what other QB’s at his age-and those that went on to have great success in their mid 30’s.

Are you needing examples or a complete listing? I already listed a few QB’s that were able to age pretty gracefully while still playing at a high level and starting in their mid to late 30’s. You still have not answered my questions about your thoughts on his current mobility before injury this season and diminished arm strength.

 

[Nav22]

Don’t get hurt feelings. You were doing so well. Why are you so worried about me not including Dak in a subjective listing?

Maybe a more efficient way to answer your question is for you to say that you see Dak’s QB game (not stats but play style he uses for his success) is comparable to what other QB’s at his age-and those that went on to have great success in their mid 30’s.

Are you needing examples or a complete listing? I already listed a few QB’s that were able to age pretty gracefully while still playing at a high level and starting in their mid to late 30’s. You still have not answered my questions about your thoughts on his current mobility before injury this season and diminished arm strength.

I repeat....

"Can't wait to see which other former All-Pros you leave out!"

Got you stumped. That's why you've declined to provide the list I asked for.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Remember Daks first season. He had a handful of plays where Beasley was wide open in the flat. Dak has about 20 yard throw and he had to arm the ball. It fell 10 feet short of Beasley. That was the giveaway to me that this dude has a weak arm. This happened several times and yet every NFL QB in the league can flick the ball 20 yards. This is also why he has such a slow delivery. Also having to wind up on every throw leads to accuracy issues when your time is clock is shortened. Everything you mentioned is true and with this latest injury Dak is going to really struggle.

exagerate much....! seriously some people.

there is combine Data on arm strength and ball speed....so that data totally blows away your drunk eye test.
and the 10 yard short throws and the QB with the weak arm, who sucked even as a rookie went 13-3....he sucked.

wait, I forgot. my apologies. wins are a team thing, losses are on the QB. if Dak was any good, we would have been 16-0 that season.

 

[Blitzen]

I repeat....

"Can't wait to see which other former All-Pros you leave out!"

Got you stumped.

Stumped on what? A point you are hung up on that I was not even arguing? You can keep your straw man arguments.

Do you see Dak aging well into his mid 30’s? What QB’s do you see he compares favorably to that played great into their mid 30’s? I pointed out his style of play and how he has succeeded in the past. Go on. Name one that plays or played the position similarly with similar skills.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Cooper played more games against worse teams and his stats are still worse than Daks and Dak was not good this year

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

this. we aren't saying rush is worth 30-40m annually but dak surely isn't worth 60 or anywhere close. i'd take dak or darnold or geno or baker or jamesis at 30-40 over our current situation.

LOL. this is just too funny. there are 18 QBs who make 30M or more. there are 15 that make 40M or more and 9 that make 50M or more..

you are still living in 2020. its now 2025 when you went into coma.
so to catch you up, things have changed a lot since....there are 6 WRs that make more than 30M. Kirk cousin got 45M and got benched. there are DL men that make 30+, there are 16 OL men that make more than 20M...

you got a lot of catching up to do to today's NFL. read up a bit and I will catch you up more in a bit

 

[Nav22]

Stumped on what? A point you are hung up on that I was not even arguing? You can keep your straw man arguments.

Do you see Dak aging well into his mid 30’s? What QB’s do you see he compares favorably to that played great into their mid 30’s? I pointed out his style of play and how he has succeeded in the past. Go on. Name one that plays or played the position similarly with similar skills.

That's not how this works.

I already asked you for your full list of "elite pocket passers" who will age well into their 30s.

I knew it would have you stumped... after all, Dak Prescott can't be the ONLY former All-Pro QB who WON'T age well, can he? The guy who led the NFL in TD passes just a year ago!

Predictably, you didn't provide me with said list.

 

[IceStar-D7]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

There's no contest. Rush isn't even in Dak's zip code. If idiot McCarthy ran that same offense -especially with a younger Dak. we'd of killed teams. Of which we did in the regular season of 2023 when we ran the West Texas offense. Idiot went away from it. So, again. All due respect. Cooper Rush might be out the NFL next season while Dak is the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Money don't usually lie.... No contest.....FACT!

 

[Blitzen]

That's not how this works.

I already asked you for your full list of "elite pocket passers" who will age well into their 30s.

I knew it would have you stumped... after all, Dak Prescott can't be the ONLY former All-Pro QB who WON'T age well, can he? The guy who led the NFL in TD passes just a year ago!

Predictably, you didn't provide me with said list.

So your point is that I cannot provide a full listing of all QB’s that I consider elite that aged well into their mid 30’s?

I was never attempting to argue it. It’s just inane babble. I was debating whether Dak would age well into his 30’s. I cannot think of one QB that was similar in talent level and playing style that played into their 30’s at a high level. Obviously, you cannot think of one example let alone a full list. So my point is won. Thanks for the debate.

 

[Kwyn]

exactly. Give me Cooper Rush and that all important 58 million to spend on other guys.

People thinking Cooper Rush would be anything more than a bottom three NFL starting QB is getting old.

He can’t throw the football.

It’s kind of a job requirement.

 

[Nav22]

So your point is that I cannot provide a full listing of all QB’s that I consider elite that aged well into their mid 30’s?

I was never attempting to argue it. It’s just inane babble. I was debating whether Dak would age well into his 30’s. I cannot think of one QB that was similar in talent level and playing style that played into their 30’s at a high level. Obviously, you cannot think of one example let alone a full list. So my point is won. Thanks for the debate.

Keep twisting in the wind.

YOU'RE the one who made the proclamation about "elite pocket passers", so the burden of proof is on YOU.

You knew you'd look like a buffoon if you tried listing your "elite pocket passers."

Truth is, OTHER THAN DAK, you couldn't name a single All-Pro QB that DOESN'T fit this made-up qualification.

Hence the absence of the list I asked for.

"DURRR no.... YOU give me a list instead!!!"

LMAO!!! Thanks for playing!