I Just Don't See A Huge Gap Between Dak and Rush

[ChronicCowboy]

Rush is underwhelming but it’s nice to have a QB that can actually read a defense.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Dak is not a difference maker at QB. Especially for as much as he's paid.
We need someone better than Cooper but cheaper than Dak.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with Dak going forward.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I will ask the question I keep asking ............If you could cut Dak, would you sign Rush to a long-term deal for $38M ( franchise tag ) and make him your starting QB for the next few years?
Just a few games ago, some fans were calling for Lance to start coz Rush was "trash". Now after a few games we are back to Rush but now he's an NFL starting QB.

Are you willing to trust your team/season off such small samples ..........NOT a coach/GM in the league would trust Cooper Rush with their season/team over a healthy Dak Prescott. Yet here are Cowboys talking about not the possibility BUT probability.........

And for those who say players play harder for Rush.......of course, they do, that's nothing new. It's called teamwork ........any coach will tell you when he loses a key player, he going to remind the team all players need to pick it up a notch to help backups. ( Extra effort, block, fight for extra yards ).

Rush isn't worth $38m per, for me it's about value. This season is showing that there are a number of serviceable QB's knocking around that you could pick up at a reasonable rate and could fit the scheme you want to play.
Saying that Rush has shown that with time he's got comfortable with the offense, the problem is going to be when DC's catch up and exploit his weaknesses.
.....then again, it needs mentioning that we didn't have a running game and the O-line wasn't dominant, so well played the guy taking up 1% of the CAP, whilst our QB room takes an overall %Hit of 20%.

 

[dupree89]

There's definitely not 58 million dollars difference between the two. More like 5800 dollars, if even that.

exactly. Give me Cooper Rush and that all important 58 million to spend on other guys.

 

[Doomsday]

3-5 - Dak
4-3 - Cooper (would be 5-2 but for the muffed punt return vs Bengals).
The Dak Prescott fans must be hating it.

Please tell me which game Dak lost this season that Dallas would have won with Rush at QB.

Name just one that is even remotely likely the way the defense was playing. They got their doors blown out in every single one of those games.

 

[Proof]

I was gonna ask who thinks they win last night with Dak given that we couldn't run the ball at all?

with the defense playing the way they were, i think we win with jamarcus russell

 

[McMicah]

I will ask the question I keep asking ............If you could cut Dak, would you sign Rush to a long-term deal for $38M ( franchise tag ) and make him your starting QB for the next few years?
Just a few games ago, some fans were calling for Lance to start coz Rush was "trash". Now after a few games we are back to Rush but now he's an NFL starting QB.

Are you willing to trust your team/season off such small samples ..........NOT a coach/GM in the league would trust Cooper Rush with their season/team over a healthy Dak Prescott. Yet here are Cowboys talking about not the possibility BUT probability.........

And for those who say players play harder for Rush.......of course, they do, that's nothing new. It's called teamwork ........any coach will tell you when he loses a key player, he going to remind the team all players need to pick it up a notch to help backups. ( Extra effort, block, fight for extra yards ).

To answer your question, no I probably wouldn’t do that. I think this is not about Rush being good and maybe more about realizing Dak (especially aging Dak) is t that good

 

[Staubacher]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

Rush is 9-4.
4-3 this year while Dak was 3-5.

Dak should never take another snap for the Cowboys, that was the worst deal ever and will become a case study that will change the QB market.

For all of his limited backup flaws, the team doesn't wilt with Rush at the helm because he doesn't give off the stink of fear like Dak does.

 

[Chuck 54]

Call me the next time Rush has a season like several that Dak has had. Or maybe when Rush enters the MVP conversation at any point during a season. These comparisons just don’t hold even a little water. It’s still the same thing we always see around here, QBs being blamed for losses and given credit for the wins. I don’t remember this type of thing when Aikman’s team won a game with only FGs or when his team lost without Irvin and Smith.

It’s one thing to want a different QB. It’s one thing for hatred for Dak to go all the way back to “poor Romo” as it does with a few posters, but anyone who tries to seriously compare Dak with Rush is out of his/her mind. Before posting such ideas, some fans should try asking anyone who knows anything about football. Ask a HS coach, a college coach, a sports reporter, write letters. Maybe try writing mailbag. I’m betting you won’t even get a serious response, more like laughter.

 

[Staubacher]

Call me the next time Rush has a season like several that Dak has had. Or maybe when Rush enters the MVP conversation at any point during a season. These comparisons just don’t hold even a little water. It’s still the same thing we always see around here, QBs being blamed for losses and given credit for the wins. I don’t remember this type of thing when Aikman’s team won a game with only FGs or when his team lost without Irvin and Smith.

It’s one thing to want a different QB. It’s one thing for hatred for Dak to go all the way back to “poor Romo” as it does with a few posters, but anyone who tries to seriously compare Dak with Rush is out of his/her mind. Before posting such ideas, some fans should try asking anyone who knows anything about football. Ask a HS coach, a college coach, a sports reporter, write letters. Maybe try writing mailbag. I’m betting you won’t even get a serious response, more like laughter.

You guys keep missing the point. The results are the same for a scrub backup as the 240 million man. Dak is washed

 

[OmerV]

What we are seeing with Rush is what we saw with Dak when he was a rookie. A passing game based on getting rid of the ball quickly and taking what the opposing defense allows. It's great plan if there is a running game and/or the defense is playing well.

 

[KJJ]

You can win with just about any QB when you’re playing great defense and getting turnovers. What we’ve seen with the defense the past few weeks we didn’t come close to seeing early in the season. Our pass rush and run defense is night and day what we saw the first half of the season. Our defense has gone from historically bad to borderline great. I’ve never seen a turnaround like that.

 

[HanD]

Call me the next time Rush has a season like several that Dak has had. Or maybe when Rush enters the MVP conversation at any point during a season. These comparisons just don’t hold even a little water. It’s still the same thing we always see around here, QBs being blamed for losses and given credit for the wins. I don’t remember this type of thing when Aikman’s team won a game with only FGs or when his team lost without Irvin and Smith.

It’s one thing to want a different QB. It’s one thing for hatred for Dak to go all the way back to “poor Romo” as it does with a few posters, but anyone who tries to seriously compare Dak with Rush is out of his/her mind. Before posting such ideas, some fans should try asking anyone who knows anything about football. Ask a HS coach, a college coach, a sports reporter, write letters. Maybe try writing mailbag. I’m betting you won’t even get a serious response, more like laughter.

for sure dak is better than rush. but not by the amount he is paid. i've said it for a couple years now. i rather have a qb making 15-30 mil less than dak and put that into other positions because dak isn't a difference maker. he's had amazing seasons and sitll not gotten the team over the hump in the playoffs. if i'm paying someone over 50, they should be the difference and carry a team in the playoffs. otherwise, i'm putting that money into the trenches. i'd rather have mayfield, darnold, winston and a better supporting cast.

 

[fivetwos]

We are just in a bad place quarterback wise DAk is aging in dog years and will be approaching romo's predicament at the end of his career.
Where the injuries have just piled up and he is much less mobile and not able to protect himself.

I really do like Rush but OMG this poor man has no arm strength and somehow survives in spite of himself.
But to his credit the team rallies around him like he's Michael Jordan and they play their hearts out for him and make spectacular plays where conversely they have dropped the ball on Dak and really made him look worse than he was.

All that said we need to use a high pick on a quarterback and should make it a policy to draft and develop quarterbacks so we don't get left in this predicament every 10 years

I agree, but as far as what the powers that be are likely to do…it’s not that.

Their big off-season acquisition every year is their first round pick, and they want to build around the incumbent, and always figure they are only that one player away.

Either way, drafting a QB this year would be akin to the Lance trade. He isn’t going to play before the contract expires, so what’s the point?

Maybe they take one late next year but who knows with these two. They double down on dumb as SOP and Dak is their man. They did not want to chance being bad for a couple of years so we wallow in perpetual mediocrity. For them, that’s more than fine.

 

[CWR]

The biggest Gap I see is that when we're supposedly at full strength with all our highest paid players and we need to win and perform in big moments we are absolutely at our worst.

When we have pretty much shot our season in the behind all our money players are injured we're playing our backup guys undrafted free agents low round picks somehow we play our for sure most inspired football and some of the better football I've seen played.

There is no doubt in my mind if DAk and his salary we're completely out of the equation and we had to start Cooper Rush and could take 60 million and invest it in quality free agents we would have probably one 10 games this year.

One of my biggest reasons for wanting to resign Dak was because I didn't trust they'd spend his cap savings aggressively anyway.

One of my biggest reasons not wanting to resign Dak was the FO not being willing to surround him with what he needed to win in the playoffs.

Either way it comes down to these clowns lacking any aggression in FA.

 

[Zordon]

I dont think we need to jump from one extreme to the next. No I would not make Rush my long term starter at QB, and no Dak should not have been signed to an extension without a signature playoff run.

Rush would have been a perfect stopgap in between the Dak era and a young QB. Too bad they ruined this opportunity.

 

[CowboyoWales]

What we are seeing with Rush is what we saw with Dak when he was a rookie. A passing game based on getting rid of the ball quickly and taking what the opposing defense allows. It's great plan if there is a running game and/or the defense is playing well.

There wasn't a running game last night, but I'll agree that both Rush and Dak can perform best with such a low CAP% Hit.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Rush would have been a perfect stopgap in between the Dak era and a young QB. Too bad they ruined this opportunity.

Stop it, that was a great win and you have to bring it back down, with the thought of Dak and his annual CAP Hit and his fans complaining about our: run game, receivers, protection, OC, O-Line and Defense

 

[Redsfan_83]

Rush wouldn't amount to $38 million. Sam Darnold just cost the Vikings $10 million for the season.

and he's gonna get paid next year

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

Make no mistake...the Bucs are a good team and WERE in the drivers seat for their division until Dallas.

Coop's passing has improved dramatically and I hope we can put his nickname to rest.