I Just Don't See A Huge Gap Between Dak and Rush

[Nav22]

You're too busy laughing and missing the whole point if we could invest 60 million in quality free agents we could win 10 games with Cooper Rush as quarterback.
The problem isn't Dak the problem is our general manager who doesn't get rid of players before they become a liability and even if we didn't have Dak and his salary and just had Cooper Rush our general manager wouldn't invest the $60 million in quality free agents anyway.
He would continue to dumpster dive because he's cheap just wants to make the playoffs and stay relevant.

So winning 10 games with Cooper Rush and "quality free agents"....

Is better than winning 12 games with Dak?

I already pointed out how Dak's contract isn't preventing us from winning or being active in free agency, and never has.

You're right about the Joneses being too cheap to go "all-in" anyways. That was the case when Dak was on a cheap rookie deal too.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Rush pre snap reads are much quicker and accurate than Dak. Rush knows where to go with the ball and goes through progression quickly. Rush has noodle arm, but can anticipate and throw to spots. Dak has hard time reading defenses and won't throw unless his eyes sees the receiver open. Just make Dak sit on the bench and watch until his ego waives the no trade clause. Dak is an idiot savant.

 

[boysfanperiod]

The HUGE gap I see is play calling. Dak is better than Rush, has Dak struggled at times absolutely but it was be foolish to think that Rush is better than Dak. What I do is is two different playcalling philosophies when they both are in the game. When Rush is in the game, you tend to see more playaction, consistent run game even when its not working, and you see them being more creative bc Rush has limitations (utilization of Turpin, motion and etc). They try their best to keep him out of obvious pass situations.

But you dont see the same version of play calling when Dak is in the game. Not a lot of playaction, we abandon the run, and are in shot gun often. History and his stats show you he is better when we are running the ball, and we use more playaction. I didnt see Turpin lined up in the back field as much either. Where are these factors when Dak is at QB.

I understand people align their expectations linear to their contacts but Goff is getting paid as well, and his HC and OC are smart enough to understand they have to have a good OL, and running game for Goff to thrive and they have addressed that while he has the 6th highest QB contract. So what Dak is making isnt the conflict. To me the conflict is how MM/OC B. Shot - are calling plays, and lack of scheming and lack creativity. BC if they called some of these games for Dak as they call for Rush, it would be different outcomes and better balance.

You are not asking the obvious question - why?

 

[doomsday9084]

The HUGE gap I see is play calling. Dak is better than Rush, has Dak struggled at times absolutely but it was be foolish to think that Rush is better than Dak. What I do is is two different playcalling philosophies when they both are in the game. When Rush is in the game, you tend to see more playaction, consistent run game even when its not working, and you see them being more creative bc Rush has limitations (utilization of Turpin, motion and etc). They try their best to keep him out of obvious pass situations.

But you dont see the same version of play calling when Dak is in the game. Not a lot of playaction, we abandon the run, and are in shot gun often. History and his stats show you he is better when we are running the ball, and we use more playaction. I didnt see Turpin lined up in the back field as much either. Where are these factors when Dak is at QB.

I understand people align their expectations linear to their contacts but Goff is getting paid as well, and his HC and OC are smart enough to understand they have to have a good OL, and running game for Goff to thrive and they have addressed that while he has the 6th highest QB contract. So what Dak is making isnt the conflict. To me the conflict is how MM/OC B. Shot - are calling plays, and lack of scheming and lack creativity. BC if they called some of these games for Dak as they call for Rush, it would be different outcomes and better balance.

From what I have read, this is at Dak's direction. He doesn't like to play from under center because he doesn't see the field as well. He doesn't like to run play action because he doesn't want to turn his head away from looking at coverage. I believe all of this has been said publicly at one point or the other.

Whomever the coach is needs to tell Dak "too bad" and point to Rush. The gains from playing under center and play action outweigh the negatives.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Dak may be better but there is something about Coop that these guys just win with him.

 

[jazzcat22]

I can’t wait until they are both gone.
Then we will get the same arguments from the same fans as to the new QB and the back up QB, as to who is better.

The interesting thing will be will pro Dak and pro Cooper still be on opposite sides. Will some foes now become friends.

Then the comparisons will start, new guys versus Dak. Then the old pro Romo guys will chime in and say, but, but, but….

oh yeah good times are ahead ….

 

[Mark]

Command of the playbook;
Reading defenses;
Getting the ball out quickly;
Resistance to long-term injury;
On-field demeanor & leadership.

Does anyone here seriously dispute that Rush tops Dak in all the aforementioned categories?

Arm strength;
Salary.

Dak takes these two categories. Mobility is probably a wash with these two at this point.

ATL has a similar problem with Cousins/Penix. To their credit, they have seemingly acknowledged their mistake, and will no doubt deal with it even more decisively in the offseason.

 

[IceBowler]

The biggest Gap I see is that when we're supposedly at full strength with all our highest paid players and we need to win and perform in big moments we are absolutely at our worst.

When we have pretty much shot our season in the behind all our money players are injured we're playing our backup guys undrafted free agents low round picks somehow we play our for sure most inspired football and some of the better football I've seen played.

There is no doubt in my mind if DAk and his salary we're completely out of the equation and we had to start Cooper Rush and could take 60 million and invest it in quality free agents we would have probably one 10 games this year.

2.3 seconds. That's how fast Rush get it out and is 2nd in the League in that category. You have to measure Dak with a calendar. The quick release makes up for all kinds of deficiency at WR and on the OL. Is Rush the "answer?" No! But, like you, I'd rather, for the short time, have Rush in there with 3 or 4 high-quality players we can't afford now around him, than to be locked into this QB contract from hell that Jerry has agreed to.

 

[31RoyW31]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

100% agree. Dak might be better but the gap is not significant. Given Cooper might have a little upside still I’d have a hard time picking between the two.

Dak salary is crazy. You would only pay that to a top tier player. Plus Dak is clearly on the back side of his career. Should have walked away from that one.

 

[IceBowler]

Dak may be better but there is something about Coop that these guys just win with him.

Are they potentially showing their disgust with the ridiculous contract paid Dak and letting Jerry know by playing to a much different level for Rush?

 

[Blackrain]

Please tell me which game Dak lost this season that Dallas would have won with Rush at QB.

Name just one that is even remotely likely the way the defense was playing. They got their doors blown out in every single one of those games.

Any of those games could have been a win because if you haven't noticed the team plays completely different with Rush at quarterback.

And that includes the defense. I have absolutely no idea why but the effort is definitely much different.
Guys are fighting for balls like they're in the Super bowl and they've been told an hour ago that they have no chance of making the playoffs.
Compare this to early in the season when the sky was the limit and they had it all in front of them and we're making business decisions

 

[nate dizzle]

We can restructure that and save $36M on next year's cap.

What will we do with those savings? That's up to Jerry and Stephen.

Speaking of the Joneses, they've been cheap in regards to outside free agents for YEARS (even back when Dak was on a rookie deal), and we still won 12 games each of the last 3 years.

Blaming Dak's contract for their cheapness is silly.

You realize that just moves the money down the road and forces them to stay with him even longer because the end years of that contract will be atomic. Look at the recent comments from Jerry, even he knows he screwed up.

 

[Blackrain]

2.3 seconds. That's how fast Rush get it out and is 2nd in the League in that category. You have to measure Dak with a calendar. The quick release makes up for all kinds of deficiency at WR and on the OL. Is Rush the "answer?" No! But, like you, I'd rather, for the short time, have Rush in there with 3 or 4 high-quality players we can't afford now around him, than to be locked into this QB contract from hell that Jerry has agreed to.

I agree 60 million covers a couple dominant defensive tackles that can stop the run and another high quality running back.
We obviously have an adequate offensive line now after we decided to finally play the best players rather than Force Jerry's draft picks to play and be held hostage for the greater good of Zack Martin

 

[Typhus]

Yeah, I know, but there's gotta be at least one hidden gem in there somewhere. besides, I've had it with 30 years of "we don't need to draft a quarterback".

For crying out loud, you put a guy like Baker Mayfield, on this team, and we're not only in the playoffs, we're probably shooting for the top 1 or 2 finishing spots.
But every year it's the same thing. Oh no, we don't want to shoot for a quarterback. What if we miss? gosh I'd rather lose for another 30 years!

Jerry and this franchise will not even entertain the notion of drafting a QB for 3 years, I can grantee you that.

 

[Typhus]

You realize that just moves the money down the road and forces them to stay with him even longer because the end years of that contract will be atomic. Look at the recent comments from Jerry, even he knows he screwed up.

He is Tad.

 

[KingCorcoran]

…Between Dak without use of his legs and Rush. Dak still might be better but they don’t seem that different.

Rush started awful, but he also has game snaps equivalent to a rookie in the NFL, and he has improved every week. He throws some dirt balls and frustratingly behind players on routes, but so does Dak. He makes some stupid throws but so does Dak.

It’s only my eyeball opinion. Curious what others think

I think this subject is exhausting. What is the Cowboys’ alternative to Dak Prescott as the team’s QB1 in 2025 And beyond? The owner of the team has already decided Dak will be his team’s starting quarterback and that is reality. Fantasizing about a change at QB, whining about Dak’s compensation is pointless, unless you’re considering becoming a fan of another team. Since no one is going to stop being a fan of their favorite team shouldn’t fans concentrate on the other 52 guys on the roster going forward?

Enough. For god’s sake if Rush is all that shouldn’t Jerry offer him a contract? Even if Jerry Jones doesn’t know what he’s doing, he thinks he does. That’s the end of it.

 

[Nav22]

You realize that just moves the money down the road and forces them to stay with him even longer because the end years of that contract will be atomic. Look at the recent comments from Jerry, even he knows he screwed up.

Okay, and we'll worry about those issues in future years.

Just kidding. Jerry and Stephen have their excuse to be cheap NOW, and suckers like you are buying it.

Remind me, if you would.... what was the Joneses' excuse for being cheap when Dak was on his ROOKIE DEAL?

 

[nate dizzle]

Okay, and we'll worry about those issues in future years.

Just kidding. Jerry and Stephen have their excuse to be cheap NOW, and suckers like you are buying it.

Remind me, if you would.... what was the Joneses' excuse for being cheap when Dak was on his ROOKIE DEAL?

I'm not buying anything. I hope Jerry loses every game for the rest of his wretched scumbag life, regardless of who plays QB.

 

[Nav22]

I'm not buying anything. I hope Jerry loses every game for the rest of his wretched scumbag life, regardless of who plays QB.

Don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel!

 

[khiladi]

Rush pre snap reads are much quicker and accurate than Dak. Rush knows where to go with the ball and goes through progression quickly. Rush has noodle arm, but can anticipate and throw to spots. Dak has hard time reading defenses and won't throw unless his eyes sees the receiver open. Just make Dak sit on the bench and watch until his ego waives the no trade clause. Dak is an idiot savant.