I just hope Ware can develop into half the player Joey Porter is...

[SkinsandTerps]

I don't recall Merriman's name even being brought up in this thread.

Self-OWNED.

Wrong thread.


Although some points actually still fit within, blame it on the alcohol. I am going to bed after this mishap.

 

[Rack]

or maybe my definition varies from your's

all I'm saying is that Arrington can't harnish his emotions on the field, some players just can't, so I'd rather WAre play well within himself, than beside himself

That has NOTHING to do with whether he has a "Mean streak" or not.


And just to - hopefull - finally shut your mouth on the matter, Parcells and Zimmer themselves said they'd like it if Ware had more of a mean streak. You think either of them want him freelancing or committing personal fouls? NO! They know that a mean streak wouldn't cause that.


But what the hell do they know, right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and S&T, Merriman/Ware is still a huge topic because some people are just anxious to see if we made the right decision, passing on Merriman for Ware, well frankly, I don't care, we couldn't have gone wrong w/ either

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Self-OWNED.

Wrong thread.


Although some points actually still fit within, blame it on the alcohol. I am going to bed after this mishap.

See, told ya!!!!!!!!!

Drunk people have a connection, lol.

 

[Rack]

THANK YOU! Arrington was just my example, but according to Rack, I'm equating that style of play to whoever has or had a mean streak

You ARE the one that said you didn't want Ware to have a mean streak cuz you didn't want him to play like Arrington. What, was I suppose to think otherwise?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That has NOTHING to do with whether he has a "Mean streak" or not.

I think it does, because being mean is an EMOTION

And just to - hopefull - finally shut your mouth on the matter, Parcells and Zimmer themselves said they'd like it if Ware had more of a mean streak. You think either of them want him freelancing or committing personal fouls? NO! They know that a mean streak wouldn't cause that.


But what the hell do they know, right?

and BP also said right after that he doesn't care really if Ware doesn't have one, and that he's not going to force Ware to develop one

 

[Deep_Freeze]

and S&T, Merriman/Ware is still a huge topic because some people are just anxious to see if we made the right decision, passing on Merriman for Ware, well frankly, I don't care, we couldn't have gone wrong w/ either

Yeah, I guess that does bother me a bit.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

and S&T, Merriman/Ware is still a huge topic because some people are just anxious to see if we made the right decision, passing on Merriman for Ware, well frankly, I don't care, we couldn't have gone wrong w/ either

OK, I lied, Why is it still a huge topic ?

Is Ware a bust ? Just seems silly to me. Be happy that you have the player that makes plays but isnt getting the headlines.

 

[Rack]

and S&T, Merriman/Ware is still a huge topic because some people are just anxious to see if we made the right decision, passing on Merriman for Ware, well frankly, I don't care, we couldn't have gone wrong w/ either

Now Merriman is a guy with a hellacious mean streak. I like his mean streak, but I'd take Ware over Merriman any day cuz of his better attitude (that has NOTHING to do with a mean streak, fyi).


Anybody that fires one agent and hires another (a Poston) the next day is a flat out (bleep) in my book.


If I could take ONE thing from Merriman and give it to Ware, it would be his mean streak.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

and S&T, Merriman/Ware is still a huge topic because some people are just anxious to see if we made the right decision, passing on Merriman for Ware, well frankly, I don't care, we couldn't have gone wrong w/ either

Yeah, I guess that does bother me a bit. I just want us to have the better player, whether it is Ware or Merriman. I want the HOFer on our team, forget the names, lol.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK, I lied, Why is it still a huge topic ?

Is Ware a bust ? Just seems silly to me. Be happy that you have the player that makes plays but isnt getting the headlines.

I'm more than content having chosen Ware, just some people want Ware to have better games every week than Merriman to justify the selection, and most happen to be the same ones overreacting at every little bump in the road...coincidence!

 

[SkinsandTerps]

See, told ya!!!!!!!!!

Drunk people have a connection, lol.

:laugh2:

Damn, twice in one thread.

I truly need sleep. And maybe one more to seal the deal.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If I could take ONE thing from Merriman and give it to Ware, it would be his mean streak.

why? what is so important about having a mean-streak? Ware's doing just fine w/o one, but if it helps you sleep better at night...

 

[Deep_Freeze]

OK, I lied, Why is it still a huge topic ?

Is Ware a bust ? Just seems silly to me. Be happy that you have the player that makes plays but isnt getting the headlines.

Yeah, but fans like to read things in the newspaper, internet or whatever that tells them how good their player is. If he doesn't make headlines, then they are desparate to get those headlines, and find or want another player who does make headlines.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, I guess that does bother me a bit.

what bothers you?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

:laugh2:

Damn, twice in one thread.

I truly need sleep. And maybe one more to seal the deal.

Yep, me too, lol.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I'm more than content having chosen Ware, just some people want Ware to have better games every week than Merriman to justify the selection, and most happen to be the same ones overreacting at every little bump in the road...coincidence!

The best part about this post is that...You used to be that guy. Whether you know it or not, its the truth.

Now get some of your brothers to step up their game and realize an all-star is not made through one game or one season. You know the ones.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Yeah, but fans like to read things in the newspaper, internet or whatever that tells them how good their player is. If he doesn't make headlines, then they are desparate to get those headlines, and find or want another player who does make headlines.

Those arent fans, those are frontrunners.

They get the finger from me.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

what bothers you?

To justify our pick I guess. I know alot of people feel like that, but they don't put it on the board cause of pride. Ware has superior athleticism, but there has been many players that have that, yet they could never translate it to the field. I just don't want Ware to be one of those guys that have the numbers (combine) to be great, but they never live up to it.

Now, last season was good, I'm not denying that, I just want the best for the Cowboys, and really the better player for us. I think Ware is better for us, but I guess I want to see the numbers in addition to what I see on the field.

 

[Rack]

and BP also said right after that he doesn't care really if Ware doesn't have one, and that he's not going to force Ware to develop one

I know that. But, and don't ignore this FACT, he still did say he would prefer that Ware had a mean streak.

Obviously there must be something to it, huh? It's not just how it effects a players play on the field, but how it effects the psyche of your opponents.


Physically, Derrick Thomas and LT were about the same. Hell, Thomas even had a bit of an edge in that department. Thomas even had a little bit of a mean streak, but nothing like LT's mean streak.


Who do you think opponents wanted to face LESS? The physically gifted player, or the guy that told you all day long he was gonna kick your ***, then went out and did it, play after play after play?


And having a mean streak doesn't make you a "bad person" either.


I don't know what to tell you, you just don't have an understanding of what "mean streak" means.

Take a guy like Romanowski. Some might say he had a "mean streak". I don't think he did ,(well he didn't JUST have a mean streak). What he had was an inferiority complex. He felt the need to be a dirty player cuz he knew he wasn't good enough to hang otherwise. It's also the reason he was all roided out. And the roids are also another reason he was such a *** on the field.


But it wasn't a "mean streak" that made Romanowski that way. That was just his personality.


Hard to come up with an example, but I'll try using a quote from Ware himself.

He said last year - referring to NFL offensive tackles - " Once they get their hands on you, it's over". I knew right then and there he didn't have a mean streak. A guy with a mean streak would never concede (?) defeat. A guy with a mean streak would never feel that a tackle could do anything to him to make the battle "over". I don't like that Ware felt that way cuz the fact is it's NOT over if a tackle gets his hands on you. You continue to fight, rip, swim, spin, etc... whatever you have to do to get to the QB.

A lack of a mean streak is something I've always been annoyed with with Greg Ellis too. The guy gets blocked and - you can tell by his body language - gives up. It's the reason he's never had 10 sacks in a season IMO. You gotta get the ones you win cuz of talent and technique, but you also have to get a few with pure "Want to". Ellis doesn't get many - if any - "Want to" sacks.


I'm NOT saying Ware is the same as Ellis in that regard. I've actually seen more of a mean streak from Ware then I've ever seen from Ellis.


And just to clarify, EVERY NFL player (except maybe kickers, punters, and some QBs) have some level of a mean streak. You simply cannot play that sport at the NFL level w/o one. You can't not want to get hit or not want to hit and play at that level. Period.


Some players have more of a mean streak then others.