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[BHendri5]

fans, who knows the real deal on Henson, not the article read stuff, but the "I seen it for myself, in the games he played in college,stuff". I was watching New England Thurs. night, they really focused on Brady, and on one play he faked a dump off to the RB and completed a pass down field. When they slowed the play down and really focused in on how he played the DB to be able to complete the pass to his WR, that really impressed me and made me become a Brady fan, plus taught me some more about pocket passers. Now I like QBs that can create with their Legs as well as having a good arm, but Brady put a big notch in the belt for the pocket passers in my mind.

Now if Henson was or is supposed to be better than Brady, he needs to come on with the come on.

I'll back off and be more objective, patient and supportive of him, from now on.

So I'm rooting for him, to show me what Brady has and then some.

 

[junk]

fans, who knows the real deal on Henson, not the article read stuff, but the "I seen it for myself, in the games he played in college,stuff". I was watching New England Thurs. night, they really focused on Brady, and on one play he faked a dump off to the RB and completed a pass down field. When they slowed the play down and really focused in on how he played the DB to be able to complete the pass to his WR, that really impressed me and made me become a Brady fan, plus taught me some more about pocket passers. Now I like QBs that can create with their Legs as well as having a good arm, but Brady put a big notch in the belt for the pocket passers in my mind.

Now if Henson was or is supposed to be better than Brady, he needs to come on with the come on.

I'll back off and be more objective, patient and supportive of him, from now on.

So I'm rooting for him, to show me what Brady has and then some.

I am also hoping he comes on with the come on.

 

[Cbz40]

I think one day real soon that light bulb will go off in his head......he'll stop thinking so much, start following his instincts, and perform.

I hope it's real soon.

 

[Hostile]

fans, who knows the real deal on Henson, not the article read stuff, but the "I seen it for myself, in the games he played in college,stuff". I was watching New England Thurs. night, they really focused on Brady, and on one play he faked a dump off to the RB and completed a pass down field. When they slowed the play down and really focused in on how he played the DB to be able to complete the pass to his WR, that really impressed me and made me become a Brady fan, plus taught me some more about pocket passers. Now I like QBs that can create with their Legs as well as having a good arm, but Brady put a big notch in the belt for the pocket passers in my mind.

Now if Henson was or is supposed to be better than Brady, he needs to come on with the come on.

I'll back off and be more objective, patient and supportive of him, from now on.

So I'm rooting for him, to show me what Brady has and then some.

QBs are most dangerous when they can beat you with their brains. Henson has all the tools. The knock on him is the time away from the game. We have to be patient. That isn't easy for me because I did see him in college and he was amazing. He was being compared to John Elway. Fathers who are close to the game, strong arm, head for the game, mobile. I think he is potentially a weapon for us. It makes me impatient.

 

[RCowboyFan]

fans, who knows the real deal on Henson, not the article read stuff, but the "I seen it for myself, in the games he played in college,stuff". I was watching New England Thurs. night, they really focused on Brady, and on one play he faked a dump off to the RB and completed a pass down field. When they slowed the play down and really focused in on how he played the DB to be able to complete the pass to his WR, that really impressed me and made me become a Brady fan, plus taught me some more about pocket passers. Now I like QBs that can create with their Legs as well as having a good arm, but Brady put a big notch in the belt for the pocket passers in my mind.

Now if Henson was or is supposed to be better than Brady, he needs to come on with the come on.

I'll back off and be more objective, patient and supportive of him, from now on.

So I'm rooting for him, to show me what Brady has and then some.

Physically, Henson was better than Brady in Michigan. But Brady is more of a rah rah type leader and Henson more in the mold of say Aikman, doesn't talk much.

Since I have seem pretty all the games both played in Michigan, there was always a sense of excitement when Henson came in even during his freshman year, when he played usually one or two series in a game starting then increased game time as season went.

Unfortunately for Brady, thats why he fell in the draft so much, if not I think he probably would have gone in like 3rd round or so, IMO. I never thought, Brady would be a star in NFL like he is now, but was pretty certain if only Henson stuck to Football he would be.

Having said that, like others in this thread have said, with the change in machanics and all those throws this offseason, I think has been set back a little. I think by next year, either he will take off, or probably not realize his potential.

Personally, I think he will he star, but more in Brady or Aikman mold. I.e. you wont see any spectacular stats etc., but just that study guy who makes plays when needed. But I am a admitted Michigan homer and Henson fan since his college days, so I am biased about it.

 

[ghst187]

Physically, Henson was better than Brady in Michigan. But Brady is more of a rah rah type leader and Henson more in the mold of say Aikman, doesn't talk much.

Since I have seem pretty all the games both played in Michigan, there was always a sense of excitement when Henson came in even during his freshman year, when he played usually one or two series in a game starting then increased game time as season went.

Unfortunately for Brady, thats why he fell in the draft so much, if not I think he probably would have gone in like 3rd round or so, IMO. I never thought, Brady would be a star in NFL like he is now, but was pretty certain if only Henson stuck to Football he would be.

Having said that, like others in this thread have said, with the change in machanics and all those throws this offseason, I think has been set back a little. I think by next year, either he will take off, or probably not realize his potential.

Personally, I think he will he star, but more in Brady or Aikman mold. I.e. you wont see any spectacular stats etc., but just that study guy who makes plays when needed. But I am a admitted Michigan homer and Henson fan since his college days, so I am biased about it.

I agree, it was really exciting everytime Henson came in. Physically probably the most talented QB Mich has had in recent history. Brady moved the ball better but Henson threw lasers. You could see a lot of maturity take place his Soph and Jr year. I believe the games Mich lost under Henson were largely due to him breaking his foot and missing two games. Other than that, they were pretty darn hard to stop, Henson to Terrell.
It seemed that Henson was really starting to put it all together his last year at Mich. Here's an exerpt from the 2000 bowl game vs Auburn.

"Henson, the Big Ten Conference leader in passing efficiency, also was on target throughout, completing 15-of-20 for 294 yards and two touchdowns. At one point, he completed 11 straight passes before the streak ended on a spike late in the third quarter to avoid a sack.

David Terrell had four receptions for 136 yards to become the first Michigan receiver to surpass 1,000 yards in consecutive seasons. He finished this season with 1,130 yards, eclipsing last year's total of 1,038."

Terrell had a big year because Henson had a good year.
No doubt Henson has the tools. I know he was a straight-A guy in HS and did very well on the Wonderlic so I think he will mentally get there.

If he doesn't we're in a lot of trouble....

 

[TheDuke]

We all know that henson has all the tools. Part of me is glad that Parcells and co. are bringing him on slowly and the other part is dying to see him on the field series after series. I was encouraged by his play the other night and hope to see him really perform well tomorrow night.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Henson can play. He jsut needs to get acclimated to football again. I play hockey, and if i dont skate for, say, 3 weeks, i feel like I lost part of my game and it takes some getting used to. Now take not doing it for 3 years, then having to come back and do it at the highest level. I agree that his excuse of this absence is running dry, but I'll bank on one thing, I think he will silence alot of citics tomorrow. Hope I'm right.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I agree, it was really exciting everytime Henson came in. Physically probably the most talented QB Mich has had in recent history. Brady moved the ball better but Henson threw lasers. You could see a lot of maturity take place his Soph and Jr year. I believe the games Mich lost under Henson were largely due to him breaking his foot and missing two games. Other than that, they were pretty darn hard to stop, Henson to Terrell.
It seemed that Henson was really starting to put it all together his last year at Mich. Here's an exerpt from the 2000 bowl game vs Auburn.

"Henson, the Big Ten Conference leader in passing efficiency, also was on target throughout, completing 15-of-20 for 294 yards and two touchdowns. At one point, he completed 11 straight passes before the streak ended on a spike late in the third quarter to avoid a sack.

David Terrell had four receptions for 136 yards to become the first Michigan receiver to surpass 1,000 yards in consecutive seasons. He finished this season with 1,130 yards, eclipsing last year's total of 1,038."

Terrell had a big year because Henson had a good year.
No doubt Henson has the tools. I know he was a straight-A guy in HS and did very well on the Wonderlic so I think he will mentally get there.

If he doesn't we're in a lot of trouble....

Any of you Michigan fans believe or are you concerned that Terrell will begin to fulfull his potential now that he's reunited with Brady? I thought that was a pretty smart off-season pick-up by the Pats.

I'm a Bama fan and believe me, I saw enough of that Brady to Terrell combo in the Orange Bowl to last me a lifetime!
Even though Bama lost that game in overtime, with the missed PAT, that was one of the best bowl games I've ever seen. Bama had Shaun Alexander running wild and Michigan had Brady throwing the ball over the field!

Everyone was raving about Terrell after the game, when in retrospect Brady was the real star for Michigan.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This thread would absolutely kill Nors.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Any of you Michigan fans believe or are you concerned that Terrell will begin to fulfull his potential now that he's reunited with Brady? I thought that was a pretty smart off-season pick-up by the Pats.

I'm a Bama fan and believe me, I saw enough of that Brady to Terrell combo in the Orange Bowl to last me a lifetime!
Even though Bama lost that game in overtime, with the missed PAT, that was one of the best bowl games I've ever seen. Bama had Shaun Alexander running wild and Michigan had Brady throwing the ball over the field!

Everyone was raving about Terrell after the game, when in retrospect Brady was the real star for Michigan.

Personally, I never thought Terrel was all that much. He had way too many drops to be that high of pick to my liking. Now, I am not saying he wasn't worth first round pick, but I didn't think he was worth picking that high.

I definetly rate Braylon Edwards higher than Terrel, but Braylon has the same issue sometimes, i.e. dropsies. One thing though, when Braylon is on, he is unstoppable, even when double teamed etc.

We'll see if hooking up with Brady will change things for Terrel, but I am skeptical. Terrel suffers from overconfidence I think, thats why he never improved that much, anyway thats my opinion on him.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I agree, it was really exciting everytime Henson came in. Physically probably the most talented QB Mich has had in recent history. Brady moved the ball better but Henson threw lasers. You could see a lot of maturity take place his Soph and Jr year. I believe the games Mich lost under Henson were largely due to him breaking his foot and missing two games. Other than that, they were pretty darn hard to stop, Henson to Terrell.
It seemed that Henson was really starting to put it all together his last year at Mich. Here's an exerpt from the 2000 bowl game vs Auburn.

Yeah, that was freshman year for John Navarre, when Henson broke his foot. Navarre was ok for two games, but he started breaking down, luckily Henson came to rescue. Man, if not for Henson being, injured, probably Michigan would have been lot better that year.

Well Brady senior year and Henson Soph year, Henson had improved by leaps and bounds. Its just by year end, I think Brady also had improved his consistancy and eventually Loyd Carr, decided to go with Brady almost exclusively during the Bowl game I think. My memory is sketchy right now, too long ago, I know till almost last one or two games they played close to half of a game each during Brady Senior year.

I am too lazy to look up the college stats to see if thats true or not, but I think I am close on that.

 

[zack]

I have a bad feeling he is more a product of the system. When was the last time that Michigan had a terrible QB?

 

[jterrell]

QBs are most dangerous when they can beat you with their brains. Henson has all the tools. The knock on him is the time away from the game. We have to be patient. That isn't easy for me because I did see him in college and he was amazing. He was being compared to John Elway. Fathers who are close to the game, strong arm, head for the game, mobile. I think he is potentially a weapon for us. It makes me impatient.

Hos this may be the best sentence I have heard to describe why Quarterbacking is so hard to critique, find, develop.

QBs are most dangerous when they can beat you with their brains.

QB's need some weird algebraic combo of chutzpah(sp? not jewish, lol), talent, charisma, confidence, instinct, peripheral vision, et al. Its a maddening process to be sure identifying guys who have the right mix. As we have seen here it is fairly impossible to agree on that mix and unless a guy has simply done it no one knows for sure he can or will.

Brady is a great example because even after 2 super bowl wins folks were wondering what kind of smoke and mirrors Belichek was using to cover for this mediocre athlete playing QB.

No one ever had a doubt who was a better physical specimen between Henson and Brady. It was Henson. Brady seemed to play a bit better on the field but neither were atmospheric nor poor. So where exactly Brady's "it" came from I do not know or else I would be sending it to Valley Ranch in gift boxes.

 

[noshame]

If they hadn't of messed with henson's motion, you'd be seeing some of the real Drew by now. I saw some of his games at Michigan and Elway is the first thing that pops into your head I'm not saying he is Elway...but you'll see.

But alas, we have ******** his progress by a year, at least.

 

[Hostile]

Hos this may be the best sentence I have heard to describe why Quarterbacking is so hard to critique, find, develop.

QBs are most dangerous when they can beat you with their brains.

QB's need some weird algebraic combo of chutzpah(sp? not jewish, lol), talent, charisma, confidence, instinct, peripheral vision, et al. Its a maddening process to be sure identifying guys who have the right mix. As we have seen here it is fairly impossible to agree on that mix and unless a guy has simply done it no one knows for sure he can or will.

Brady is a great example because even after 2 super bowl wins folks were wondering what kind of smoke and mirrors Belichek was using to cover for this mediocre athlete playing QB.

No one ever had a doubt who was a better physical specimen between Henson and Brady. It was Henson. Brady seemed to play a bit better on the field but neither were atmospheric nor poor. So where exactly Brady's "it" came from I do not know or else I would be sending it to Valley Ranch in gift boxes.

The reason QBs are so intriguing is exactly what you said right there. Ryan Leaf had a ton of physical talent. Between the ears he was lacking. Jeff George, one of the great arms ever. No heart. Jim McMahon, too small to play the game but won a Super Bowl. Probably on charisma. McMahon used to go into the huddle and tell the big uglies that he needed just 5 seconds to make something happen. Then he'd turn to his receivers and say, "okay, they're going to give me 5 seconds..." It was like it was a forgone conclusion they could do it. His linemen would kill for him.

I've mentioned it before, I think Joe Montana's "Joe Cool" persona won them ball games. Marcus Allen tells the story of the game against Denver where Elway led the Broncos to a late score to take the lead. Montana had just over a minute left and they needed a TD. He came into the hudle laughing because John Candy was in the stands eating a hot dog. The team relaxed and they won the game.

It's a strange dynamic. The most exciting thing to me against the Cradinals with regards to the QB was that when Henson went in the team as a whole paid attention. No one was on the bench or absorbed in some other activity. It tells me one of two things. Either they are as curious as everyone else, or he has that certain something that pulls them. Now, I'm not saying Bledsoe and Romo did not command attention. They did. There was just a different feel. Especially when he started moving the team down the field each time he was in. Teams feed of that.

Back to Favre for a minute. He makes a ton of mistakes. Why is he so universally praised? Because he simply exudes supreme confidence and the gamblers mentality. Teams fear him because more often than not he does beat them. Playing tentative will kill most teams.

Peyton Manning is more dangerous for his mind than his arm or the offense they run. There are a couple of QBs with better arms. His arm is good, but it isn't the best in the NFL.

I agree with you on Brady. No flash, just a good game manager who doesn't make mistakes because he is smart.

QB is the single most awe inspiring position in all of sports. When it is played well, it is almost impossible to beat a great QB. In big games Aikman stepped up his level of play. Staubach had that "It" factor.

The list of what you can say about great QBs is endless. So is the list of what you can say about QBs who fell short of their potential. Usually the success or failure rate is balanced between the ears or measured in the heart of the QB. Few get by on talent alone. It just doesn't get it done.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The reason QBs are so intriguing is exactly what you said right there. Ryan Leaf had a ton of physical talent. Between the ears he was lacking. Jeff George, one of the great arms ever. No heart. Jim McMahon, too small to play the game but won a Super Bowl. Probably on charisma. McMahon used to go into the huddle and tell the big uglies that he needed just 5 seconds to make something happen. Then he'd turn to his receivers and say, "okay, they're going to give me 5 seconds..." It was like it was a forgone conclusion they could do it. His linemen would kill for him.

I've mentioned it before, I think Joe Montana's "Joe Cool" persona won them ball games. Marcus Allen tells the story of the game against Denver where Elway led the Broncos to a late score to take the lead. Montana had just over a minute left and they needed a TD. He came into the hudle laughing because John Candy was in the stands eating a hot dog. The team relaxed and they won the game.

It's a strange dynamic. The most exciting thing to me against the Cradinals with regards to the QB was that when Henson went in the team as a whole paid attention. No one was on the bench or absorbed in some other activity. It tells me one of two things. Either they are as curious as everyone else, or he has that certain something that pulls them. Now, I'm not saying Bledsoe and Romo did not command attention. They did. There was just a different feel. Especially when he started moving the team down the field each time he was in. Teams feed of that.

Back to Favre for a minute. He makes a ton of mistakes. Why is he so universally praised? Because he simply exudes supreme confidence and the gamblers mentality. Teams fear him because more often than not he does beat them. Playing tentative will kill most teams.

Peyton Manning is more dangerous for his mind than his arm or the offense they run. There are a couple of QBs with better arms. His arm is good, but it isn't the best in the NFL.

I agree with you on Brady. No flash, just a good game manager who doesn't make mistakes because he is smart.

QB is the single most awe inspiring position in all of sports. When it is played well, it is almost impossible to beat a great QB. In big games Aikman stepped up his level of play. Staubach had that "It" factor.

The list of what you can say about great QBs is endless. So is the list of what you can say about QBs who fell short of their potential. Usually the success or failure rate is balanced between the ears or measured in the heart of the QB. Few get by on talent alone. It just doesn't get it done.

Hos,
Agree with your points on the QBs. One correction however, I think it is Randy Cross who tells the story of Montana noticing John Candy in the stands and it was in the Super Bowl right before they started the game-winning drive that beat Cincy. Montana was the ultimate "Joe Cool".

Funny thing Peyton said the other night on the NFL Network, "In His own Words". He said he's thrown a lot of balls for TDs that have been wobblers or not very pretty but they were accurate and hit his intended target. You are right he doesn't have the best arm, but he's got a very good one, it's extremely accurate and he sees things on the field other QBs don't see. He really impressed me in that piece the other night!

 

[ravidubey]

Troy Aikman had some weak football instincts, especially when it came to clock management, throwing deep with touch, playing from shotgun, playing in inclement weather, making plays out of the pocket, or selling a fake.

Those could be considered major weaknesses in some systems or environments. So we built an offensive system to take advantage of his strengths: Accuracy, arm strength, physical and mental toughness, and leadership. Enter the timing offense which attacks the whole field from the pocket-- 30 yard out? 1-2-3 BAM! No problem. Ditto the skinny post, a very difficult pass to complete. BAM!

This system made the whole offense more confident and the team grew rapidly as a result. I'm sure there's a system out there that will complement Henson, too. I don't know if BP and Sean Payton are the right people to find it, but we'll see.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Troy Aikman had some weak football instincts, especially when it came to clock management, throwing deep with touch, playing from shotgun, playing in inclement weather, making plays out of the pocket, or selling a fake.

Those could be considered major weaknesses in some systems or environments. So we built an offensive system to take advantage of his strengths: Accuracy, arm strength, physical and mental toughness, and leadership. Enter the timing offense which attacks the whole field from the pocket-- 30 yard out? 1-2-3 BAM! No problem. Ditto the skinny post, a very difficult pass to complete. BAM!

This system made the whole offense more confident and the team grew rapidly as a result. I'm sure there's a system out there that will complement Henson, too. I don't know if BP and Sean Payton are the right people to find it, but we'll see.

Don't agree with a lot of the Aikman points but I do get your point.

Interestingly enough, the same offense that Aikman played in would do very nicely for Henson as well. Not trying to say that we are moving to the timing offense but he could do well in it. Secondly, Henson can move around very well. He could play in Coslets offense as well. The nice thing about Henson is that his skill could be adaptable to several different offenses. He could even play WC because of his ability to move. Now, all this is great and all but one thing we have to be careful of. He needs to be able to prove he can do it. I'm as big a supporter of Henson as there is on this board but the same things that I wanted to see when Carter was QB or Vinnie or whomever still apply. Henson has to beat out Bledsoe and Romo and whomever else. He can't be given the job. He has to win it or he's not worthy of being the starter.

 

[RoyBiscuit]

A friend who attended all of Henson's Michigan games still insists that he will be an absolute stud in the NFL eventually. Not just serviceable, or very good, but a STUD...even with all the recent setbacks. He's a Dolphins fan and was (still is) very upset that the Fins didn't go after Henson. Although he's a big Michigan homer, he's also one of the most smartest football fans I've ever known, so I'm going to continue having high hopes for Henson right now.