I refuse to believe we don't have talent

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Say what you want but Dallas currently has immensely more talent than it had in Parcell's first year here when we went 9 and 7 and made the playoffs. Hell, we made the playoffs with QuINTsy Carter! Coaching is a huge part of the problem.

With that being said, the problem isn't so much that Garrett sucks, it is more of a function that we lost a real asset in Callahan, and Marinelli has lost touch with the modern game.
 

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It is honestly laughable how all we heard a few months ago was , Jerry and the front office were geniuses and how Jason finally has HIS kind of team with RKG's all over, and now that his horse crap coaching has been exposed beyond any shadow of a doubt...HE HAS NO TALENT to work with! LMAO!! Again, Cassel and Weeden are Unitis and Otto Graham compared to Quincy Carter and McFadden is twice as good as Hambrick, The lines are not even in the same solar system and Parcells went 10-6 with that talentless team. There is no sport where coaching means more than the NFL, and we are overmatched on a weekly basis, without superman (when healthy) to overcome all of their weaknesses we are what we are a winless team.
 

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There's plenty of talent on this team, imagine if the coaches knew how to maximize it. Dez should not be out on an island all game long. He should be all over that LOS running tons of shallow routes, corner routes from the slot, etc.With Dez and Bease in the slot, it could be a nightmare for teams. TWill is a slant guy, a deep post guy, shallow slant guy, but not an out route guy, a straight-line bomb guy. Witten should not always be in the slot, he could motion wide, and same with Escobar. If I EVER see guys like Beasley or Dez in one-on-one coverage, my audible is to either of those players.

On defense, you can walk the line with guys, and no one knows who's coming. Confuse teams, don't just barrel ahead and try to get the QB with 4 when all game long you couldn't do it. There's just nothing special or innovative about our offense and defense. Things like, show man, then morph into a zone. It's a chess match, and we suck at chess.

If Dez were used like Julio Jones was against us this year, Dez would never disappear. Of course the receiver has to be smart enough and consistent enough to do what he is supposed to do on every play, and be where he is supposed to be, when he is supposed to be there. Julio Jones does that. Maybe Dez fails to do that consistently. Otherwise, it is very very suspect coaching.
 

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It's sickening to me to watch games today and see how easily teams do things. It pains me to watch QB's like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrck, Bryan Hoyer, Teddy Bridgewater, Derric Carr, Cousins, Dalton, Winston, etc.move their teams up and down the field, get WR's in space, move their star wide outs around the formations, and put their teams in positions to win. Even if they don't score , it's not hard and painful to watch. There isn't a constant struggle to pitch and catch, or a one sided barrage of 2 yard out routes. TE's catch the ball in the seam up the field, and because of the spreading out defensive backs and LB's having to keep that in mind, the play calling isn't completely predicable. The running backs can run against 5 or 6 man boxes instead 7-9 man boxes because they don't have a bead on the upcoming play. I believe most of these teams have some pretty creative route trees, or their WR's are do a very good job of creating space. I don't see All Pro names like Smith, Frederick, Martin, Witten, Bryant, or Romo.. You know, the "top of the line on paper, 1st-3rd round top tier guys. But I don't see the high pressure, nervous struggles either.

On the other side of the ball, Hardy, Lee, McClain, Gregroy, Crawford, Jones, Hitchens, Carr, Claiborne, Ok, not as much talent, but most certainly enough to be considered middle of the pack, a 15-17 rank defense at worst. The problem??? The constant desire by a tired, "old school", scheme to try to get it done with rushing 4 guys straight up the field 90% of the time. Again, as I watch all the games this morning it reinforces my thought that with the current way the NFL plays offense, you can't win on defense with this old mentality. Teams pass the ball now on 1-2-3 step drops. Then add, the complexity of the routes most teams use, if you give a decent QB 4-5-9 seconds to the throw the ball, you are TOAST. It's not only the refusal to blitz that hurts us. We stunt less than any team that plays football. I mean football, just not the NFL. I watch more complex defenses on Friday nights. There is no excuse to run this vanilla of a defense. It puts you behind, befeore the game begins. OC's know that after a few long drives, or quick outs by the offense, the front four on this DL will begin to tire, and they will be able to do whatever they want. Late in the game, forget about it.


The division leader in the NFCE has 5 wins. That's laughable. But, with the talent we have, it is INEXCUSABLE that we only have 3 wins. Someone has to take the blame and heads must roll. We won't get what a reputable franchise deserves. A true leader that brings in a top notch supporting cast. But at the very least, we need to see changes!!!

I agree/disagree. we have some talent. but its in pockets. I agree that the schemes are not fitting the talent we have and there hasn't been adjustments specially on the defensive side.

on offense, there is a huge gap from top tier to the rest of the team. room, dez and then there is a big drop. new England does it because they have brady and he makes them look good. most other teams do have talent. Denver has sanders and Thomas. those guys are talented. we gave beasly a huge contract to be only slot receiver and he is limited at that. when room was in (think brady), then beasley was targeted. when he was out. beasley barely got any looks. Witten is a warrior but his best days are past him. he can now easily be taken out of games. Dez is talented but man, he was taken out of Carolina game, being covered by one DB. is he over rated? perhaps.

our OL maybe good, but I think we are going over board with how good they are. our RBs aren't talented. the WRs are made not because they are talented, but because romo is so good. I don't dismiss that our offensive scheme needs work, but perhaps it became too romo friendly. it worked great with romo, but nobody else can really operate it.

we have not drafted an impact player in rounds 2-7 in the past 7 years. that's the issue. next man up? well the talent is just not there.
 

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And if we hadn't had that talent, fans would have been complaining about how predictable the offense is, that the timing-based scheme doesn't work, etc. Instead, Norv Turner was an offensive genius and Jimmy Johnson was a great head coach.

Few head coaches succeed without having the talent to do it. We had the talent last year and came within a poorly overturned call of possibly playing for the NFC championship. It's no coincidence that the team's struggles this year following losing the NFL's leading rusher in free agency, it's near-MVP quarterback for all but nearly four games and its star receiver for five of those same games.

Not saying these players are as good as our 1990's Triplets, but imagine how those teams would have played missing Emmitt, Aikman and Irvin at the same time.

Exactly my point. Great post
 

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Jimmy acquired the talent he needed to fit his scheme on both offense and defense, and he was big on special team play. Sure you have to have talent but you also have to have a great eye for what fits and you are trying to do, which is what makes Jimmy a great coach. Norv basically inherited the same talent that David Shula could do nothing with, Norv developed his offense to match the strengths he had.
 

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This season reminds me of the Suck for Luck season. The Colts really were changed after they got a QB back, and I think they would have been just as good if it had still been Manning considering how good Manning was the next year. The talent is there, but without anyone at QB the team is crap.
 

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This season reminds me of the Suck for Luck season. The Colts really were changed after they got a QB back, and I think they would have been just as good if it had still been Manning considering how good Manning was the next year. The talent is there, but without anyone at QB the team is crap.

Nope, its coaching. Dont hide behind that "missing the guy that runs the offense" thing.
 

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Nope, its coaching. Dont hide behind that "missing the guy that runs the offense" thing.

So the Colts weren't suddenly a lot worse without a decent QB? If Romo had been healthy all year, can you really doubt we would be first in the east right now, especially with all the close losses we have had with Crap throwing the ball?
 

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There's some areas of concern with the talent but the biggest problem is with those who are coaching the talent.
 

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So the Colts weren't suddenly a lot worse without a decent QB? If Romo had been healthy all year, can you really doubt we would be first in the east right now, especially with all the close losses we have had with Crap throwing the ball?

Im not sure how to respond to this. I do not think it would have been possible to lay on the sarcasm any more thick. I would have thought it would easily come through even in text. The only explanation i can come up with is that you take yourself too seriously and are way too defensive.

In case it is at all unclear at this point, i agree with you.
 

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Why doesnt Dez, being a leader, go request a sit down with the coaches and say please...i think if you guys would put me in the slot just 3-4x a game i could really do some damage. Can we please try it and if i dont produce i will never open my mouth again. Thats what i would do. I refuse to believe that if a leader/ player came to the coaches in a professional manner that they wouldnt hear him out and at least try it
 

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Im not sure how to respond to this. I do not think it would have been possible to lay on the sarcasm any more thick. I would have thought it would easily come through even in text. The only explanation i can come up with is that you take yourself too seriously and are way too defensive.

In case it is at all unclear at this point, i agree with you.

Sorry, hard to tell on this forum. Some people want so badly to blame Garrett for everything that goes wrong, that they fail to realize that without a decent QB a team goes nowhere.
 

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Say what you want but Dallas currently has immensely more talent than it had in Parcell's first year here when we went 9 and 7 and made the playoffs. Hell, we made the playoffs with QuINTsy Carter! Coaching is a huge part of the problem.

With that being said, the problem isn't so much that Garrett sucks, it is more of a function that we lost a real asset in Callahan, and Marinelli has lost touch with the modern game.

No Garrett does suck and Marinelli have done a pretty good job the last three weeks!
 
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