CFZ I think Dak Prescott is in serious danger

[Section446]

The built-in excuses are growing.

 

[The Natural]

His arse will be just fine.

 

[starfan1]

Jerry Jones has a tendency to neglect the oline until it's too late, and the damage is done. We had a very capable QB in Tony Romo. The problem is that Jerry didn't exactly understand that you need to maintain the oline to keep him upright and able to do his job. Prior to breaking his collarbone, Romo broke his finger in 2008 that forced him to miss 4 games. Jerry took no notice that the oline was starting to resemble damp Swiss cheese. He only started doing that with Romo when Romo had his collarbone snap in 2010. Unfortunately, by the time we had gotten Zach Martin, Romo only would play one more full season, and even then missed a game.

Fast forward to Dak. Jerry had been thinking the oline he built in 2014 is still excellent in 2020. Oh, but that's 6 years later, and Tyron had been in the league for 9 years at that point. Players start to break down. Oh well, what's there to worry? Dak breaks his leg. 2020 season toasted. Jerry then proceeds to use the 2nd round pick the next year on.....Kelvin Joseph. What could he have used that on? Well, there were several olinemen taken after. He could've had Aaron Banks who was a solid guard from Notre Dame. He has been decent with the 49ers. He could've taken Jackson Carman. Decent player for the Bengals at OT. Point is, as usual, he could have gotten an olineman instead of projects. His only good 2nd round pick lately has been Trevon Diggs. As a result, last year, Dak's calf muscle gets hurt and misses a game. He was clearly not the same after that Pats game. He started as one of the top 3-5 QBs, but then had that happen.

Thus, what's it going to take for Jerry to understand that he needs to maintain oline. It doesn't have to be in the 1st, but at least in the first 3 rounds, invest in an olineman to keep the depth at top notch. That way he can maintain the insurance on the QB. Problem is, I think Dak is in serious danger. Because of what Jerry has not done, I think Dak could be facing a very bad injury with some of the teams we play this year. All it takes for us to go from potential playoff team to 3-14 is a bad injury to Dak. Yet, we play one of the top defences in week one against the Bucs. What happens to the season if, God-forbid, Dak has a massive injury like a broken shoulder or his back gives way?

Im certainly not a jerry apologist and ill need to look back at drafts to see but it actually wasnt till 2010 and 11 that the lines were attrocious. in 2008 they had 3 pro blowlers on the line and in 2009 two. Now one can say that maybe they were only pro bowlers by name but Im not sure. flozell last Pro bowl was 2008 and the RT position was manned by columbo who in many minds could have been a pro bowler. I am trying to remember but 10,11 were rough years for the offensive line

that being said every situation is different and its clear to our eyes as fans how much the team struggles without tyron. Im not sure if taking flyers on 4th and 5th rounders is considered due dilligence or not. I have no remorse in taking Parsons over slater 2 years ago.

it would be interesting to see what other teams do in terms of draft picks to address their Oline. Im sure that there isnt 1st rounders across the board. Jerry does like his shiny toys one could argue the neccisty of the CeeDee pick but if we are going back and disecting past drafts we can find fault in just about any of them. I know i like dissecting the 2016 debacle but at some point coaches need to coach and players need to step up.

in conclusion jerry is a buffoon as is his boy

 

[starfan1]

You went into this year with a question mark at RT & an injury risk at LT.

Your back-up options have never seen a live action game.

They should have addressed this in FA, instead they let a top 10 tackle walk.

Gross mismanagement.

They didnt have a ? mark at RT. They felt that Steele could man the position as good or better than collins who is a headcase who had 1 outstanding year and lived off it. I dont think letting Gregory or Collins walk was at all a problem. The lines biggest issues last year was center and LG. They went out and got a guy in round 1 that they feel short term fixes LG and and is heir apparent to the problem at LT that most everyone seen was coming. hopefully they dont trot out Biadiz again but they will.

They just didnt feel this train wreck was going to happen this quick.Im sure Tyon and the team had discussions and the guys that were available as swing tackle options early in FA i believe are still there. It will be interesting to see how this plays out maybe it happening like this forces their hand to do something or maybe these guys surprise us.

its not doom and gloom just yet

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Im certainly not a jerry apologist and ill need to look back at drafts to see but it actually wasnt till 2010 and 11 that the lines were attrocious. in 2008 they had 3 pro blowlers on the line and in 2009 two. Now one can say that maybe they were only pro bowlers by name but Im not sure. flozell last Pro bowl was 2008 and the RT position was manned by columbo who in many minds could have been a pro bowler. I am trying to remember but 10,11 were rough years for the offensive line

that being said every situation is different and its clear to our eyes as fans how much the team struggles without tyron. Im not sure if taking flyers on 4th and 5th rounders is considered due dilligence or not. I have no remorse in taking Parsons over slater 2 years ago.

it would be interesting to see what other teams do in terms of draft picks to address their Oline. Im sure that there isnt 1st rounders across the board. Jerry does like his shiny toys one could argue the neccisty of the CeeDee pick but if we are going back and disecting past drafts we can find fault in just about any of them. I know i like dissecting the 2016 debacle but at some point coaches need to coach and players need to step up.

in conclusion jerry is a buffoon as is his boy

The Parsons pick was brilliant, and I'm not saying that we need to take oline in the first round every year. I'm just saying, better oline selections in rounds two and three could have helped mitigate this.

 

[blueblood70]

Different team yes less talented different schedule Yes more difficult different circumstances not really still dysfunctional.

Same fan base hoping for the best but preparing for the worst

Nope its not

stating these alleged facts with are simply emotional outburst are just not going to fly.

the teams NOT set, won't be until game 1 and then we still have until the trade deadline for help.,got it?????

maybe you like to make these doom and gloom, false statements before a games played but rational normal fans and people actually allow time for a team to be developed for each new season and roll with it.

we save the actual judgements and feeds backs after 17 games are played. everything else are just emotionally based guessing and hyperbole and rhetoric do not belong in sports. nothings over until it is and that was oproven by many team and our 2018 start whenr many said the same thing were WRONG we responded fast and hard and going to to 2nd round of the payoffs. i remember the poor little woeys me fans doom and gloom and all the negativity, it was over wants Garett gone at mid-season and woops 10-6 division winners 2nd round of the playoff's after starting 3-5 its sports we play the games judge after. The rest is nonsense

if it makes you feel better beig all emotional; and dramatic , we will change your handles to EXTRA.. go have an extra extra day, drama king..

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We'll be in the QB finding business in a couple years.

We might have to suffer for a few years but in the long run, if we chose to take the position seriously for the 1st time since Aikman, we'll be better off.

 

[blueblood70]

Can you point to a few things that give you such confidence?

just fan who dont make snap PRE Judgements.. why why be doom and gloomers

all these extra extra drama is unnecessary until rosters are set and we play a SEASON yes a season not anything less than 17 games then we judge the season with facts.

waste your time crying and being upset that things that haven't happened.... ill wait on games, of them that's how it works. We turned around 2018 and we haven't played a game yet..thats why its sports it wide open and we have shot until we don't..

lots of payer moves around the NFL will be made over the next 10 days will be fun just seeing what happens with the roster, no need to look that far ahead and be miserable.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Jerry Jones has a tendency to neglect the oline until it's too late, and the damage is done. We had a very capable QB in Tony Romo. The problem is that Jerry didn't exactly understand that you need to maintain the oline to keep him upright and able to do his job. Prior to breaking his collarbone, Romo broke his finger in 2008 that forced him to miss 4 games. Jerry took no notice that the oline was starting to resemble damp Swiss cheese. He only started doing that with Romo when Romo had his collarbone snap in 2010. Unfortunately, by the time we had gotten Zach Martin, Romo only would play one more full season, and even then missed a game.

Fast forward to Dak. Jerry had been thinking the oline he built in 2014 is still excellent in 2020. Oh, but that's 6 years later, and Tyron had been in the league for 9 years at that point. Players start to break down. Oh well, what's there to worry? Dak breaks his leg. 2020 season toasted. Jerry then proceeds to use the 2nd round pick the next year on.....Kelvin Joseph. What could he have used that on? Well, there were several olinemen taken after. He could've had Aaron Banks who was a solid guard from Notre Dame. He has been decent with the 49ers. He could've taken Jackson Carman. Decent player for the Bengals at OT. Point is, as usual, he could have gotten an olineman instead of projects. His only good 2nd round pick lately has been Trevon Diggs. As a result, last year, Dak's calf muscle gets hurt and misses a game. He was clearly not the same after that Pats game. He started as one of the top 3-5 QBs, but then had that happen.

Thus, what's it going to take for Jerry to understand that he needs to maintain oline. It doesn't have to be in the 1st, but at least in the first 3 rounds, invest in an olineman to keep the depth at top notch. That way he can maintain the insurance on the QB. Problem is, I think Dak is in serious danger. Because of what Jerry has not done, I think Dak could be facing a very bad injury with some of the teams we play this year. All it takes for us to go from potential playoff team to 3-14 is a bad injury to Dak. Yet, we play one of the top defences in week one against the Bucs. What happens to the season if, God-forbid, Dak has a massive injury like a broken shoulder or his back gives way?

Tank for Stroud/Young and get a QB with real potential

 

[Hadenough]

The built-in excuses are growing.

Looks like Dak is going to get McCarthy fired this year. Pretty much what I predicted.

 

[starfan1]

The Parsons pick was brilliant, and I'm not saying that we need to take oline in the first round every year. I'm just saying, better oline selections in rounds two and three could have helped mitigate this.

I wasnt trying to imply that im sorry if i worded like that.it was just a in general statement as people like to throw out the 1st rounders on the line as reasons as Dak being a flop. after i sent that i went back and looked at the drafts between 2009 and 11 and they were attrocious. I think we didnt even have 1s and 2nd rounders in 09. i think the first rounder was because of the Roy willams debacle but Im not sure bout the 2nd.. No noteworthy linemanwere taken during that time until tyron was taken in 12.

fast forwarding to current times I think they have learned from Romos times they just have missed on the people they have taken unless the cowboys are to invest in Tunsil, trent williams or jenson type deals type deals which isnt their mo. perhaps they need to change their approach. but no one until perhaps 2017 and the 6 sack debacle against Green thought this line was in jeapordy and who are you going to replace. I cant stand jerry but in terms of the line not sure what we do alot different. Letting Leary walk may have been very damaging in hindsight and Tfred getting the disease he did well who would have known. we failed to properly take advantage of the window which was 14-18 and now we are left trying to rebuild. Has we done somethings different on defense we may have more success

Now we have a good defense and the Line may be falling apart which happens with age. I like dak alot more than i did pre 2013 romo but its time for him to become something he may not be able to. someone who has step up and carry our shortcomings. He dont have to do it by himself but when plays are there to be made he needs to make them. Zeke needs to be 2016-2018 version. Im thinking TE is going to have to help left side

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I wasnt trying to imply that im sorry if i worded like that.it was just a in general statement as people like to throw out the 1st rounders on the line as reasons as Dak being a flop. after i sent that i went back and looked at the drafts between 2009 and 11 and they were attrocious. I think we didnt even have 1s and 2nd rounders in 09. i think the first rounder was because of the Roy willams debacle but Im not sure bout the 2nd.. No noteworthy linemanwere taken during that time until tyron was taken in 12.

fast forwarding to current times I think they have learned from Romos times they just have missed on the people they have taken unless the cowboys are to invest in Tunsil, trent williams or jenson type deals type deals which isnt their mo. perhaps they need to change their approach. but no one until perhaps 2017 and the 6 sack debacle against Green thought this line was in jeapordy and who are you going to replace. I cant stand jerry but in terms of the line not sure what we do alot different. Letting Leary walk may have been very damaging in hindsight and Tfred getting the disease he did well who would have known. we failed to properly take advantage of the window which was 14-18 and now we are left trying to rebuild. Has we done somethings different on defense we may have more success

Now we have a good defense and the Line may be falling apart which happens with age. I like dak alot more than i did pre 2013 romo but its time for him to become something he may not be able to. someone who has step up and carry our shortcomings. He dont have to do it by himself but when plays are there to be made he needs to make them. Zeke needs to be 2016-2018 version. Im thinking TE is going to have to help left side

I agree that Dak needs to step up as well. He is going to need to make the big plays when they're available. That stated, I think Jerry's big mistakes with the 2nd round projects he likes to take (excluding the obvious Trevon Diggs pick) are where we are being bitten. I think the picks of Jaylon Smith, Connor Williams, and Joseph are three project picks we could have alternatively used to add depth to our oline, or, in the case of Williams, there were better linemen that were much more solid later in the 2nd such as the lineman taken by the Vikings who just made the Pro Bowl. This would have helped to mitigate what's happened now. I'm not saying we could've prevented it. However, Tyron has been missing games since 2015. There was an obvious trend there. Getting better depth would have meant that him having this happen would not have been as big of a problem.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

We'll be in the QB finding business in a couple years.

We might have to suffer for a few years but in the long run, if we chose to take the position seriously for the 1st time since Aikman, we'll be better off.

Might be sooner than that if Dak gets seriously injured with the path Jerry has just put him in.

 

[LittleD]

His arse will be just fine.

Right. his arse will get lots of rest just after they break his head.

 

[Blackrain]

Nope its not

stating these alleged facts with are simply emotional outburst are just not going to fly.

the teams NOT set, won't be until game 1 and then we still have until the trade deadline for help.,got it?????

maybe you like to make these doom and gloom, false statements before a games played but rational normal fans and people actually allow time for a team to be developed for each new season and roll with it.

we save the actual judgements and feeds backs after 17 games are played. everything else are just emotionally based guessing and hyperbole and rhetoric do not belong in sports. nothings over until it is and that was oproven by many team and our 2018 start whenr many said the same thing were WRONG we responded fast and hard and going to to 2nd round of the payoffs. i remember the poor little woeys me fans doom and gloom and all the negativity, it was over wants Garett gone at mid-season and woops 10-6 division winners 2nd round of the playoff's after starting 3-5 its sports we play the games judge after. The rest is nonsense

if it makes you feel better beig all emotional; and dramatic , we will change your handles to EXTRA.. go have an extra extra day, drama king..

No drama no emotion just failure to prepare again for a problem that was anticipated by the whole football watching world except for maybe you and Jerry who walk around in a world of sunshine and rainbows where nothing ever goes wrong.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Might be sooner than that if Dak gets seriously injured with the path Jerry has just put him in.

I don't see any kind of serious injury.

Our O-line is still better than half in the NFL.

In my opinion, Dak will lose his job based on his abilities, or lack there of, finally being fully exposed, not injury.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I don't see any kind of serious injury.

Our O-line is still better than half in the NFL.

In my opinion, Dak will lose his job based on his abilities, or lack there of, finally being fully exposed, not injury.

I think, as long as he's healthy, he will be fine. He did great last year until after the Pats game where he hurt his leg. I think that, as long as he stays healthy, QB shouldn't be a problem for us. The left side of the line, that's a different story imo.

 

[Aven8]

I think Jerry is doing exactly as you are asking it's just a lot easier said than done to maintain a top notch Oline and not neglect the rest of the team. At some point, one of these guys needs to actually develop into a starting caliber OL.

2022
Tyler Smith - 1st Round
Matt Waletzsko - 5th Round

2021
Josh Ball - 4th Round
Matt Farniok - 7th Round

2020
Tyler Biadasz - 4th Round

2019
Connor McGovern - 3rd Round

2018
Connor Williams - 2nd Round

Yep. This is similar to the Dline issue we had for years too. I said this earlier in the off-season that the scouts need to do a better job at finding later round Olineman. It happens all over the league. If they keep failing, get new scouts.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I think, as long as he's healthy, he will be fine. He did great last year until after the Pats game where he hurt his leg. I think that, as long as he stays healthy, QB shouldn't be a problem for us. The left side of the line, that's a different story imo.

I think your opinion on the QB position will be different by December.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The difference is, Jerry used Romo's great escapability and penchant for making plays using it as an EXCUSE to not upgrade the line for many years so that he could go "flashy" somewhere else on the team, typically on offense. The standard actions of non-football guy still not understanding that the game is won more in the ugly trenches than the "pretty" and "flashy" elsewhere.