I think I finally understand Garrett

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I thought read a post a few days ago saying this years offense help carry the worst defense in the league to an 8-8 record. That is pretty amazing if you ask me.
Dallas also won games that they gave up 7, 3, 16, and 21 and lost a game surrendering just 17. How many points did the defense and ST gift the offense, if not score themselves?

The offense is much worse than people want to give it credit for, and if not for the historical ineptitude of the defense, it would be criticized far more than it is.
 

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Despite what the lynch mob here may believe. I think he knows what hes doing....

Next year he will prove it, or be coaching somewhere else.

I hope you are right but I thought that statement could be applied to 2013 as well.
 

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But what if who puts the animal in the habitat really is not the one who put them in the habitat and is just a figment of your imagination? What if there is a group decision on who puts the animal there?

 

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Dallas also won games that they gave up 7, 3, 16, and 21 and lost a game surrendering just 17. How many points did the defense and ST gift the offense, if not score themselves?

The offense is much worse than people want to give it credit for, and if not for the historical ineptitude of the defense, it would be criticized far more than it is.

You have a point. The offense did fail the team on occasion but not often. Certainly it did well enough if the defense had been average we likely would have won enough games to go to the playoffs. I hang the failure of the team this year on the defense. We scored the necessary ppg to feel decent about the offense. It does need to improve and become more consistent.
 

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injuries did not cause detroit. injuries did not cause green bay. they adapted enough to get leads in those games, poor coaching is why we lost them in epic fashion not injuries. win either game and we're probably still playing today.

I would agree you could easily criticize the offensive play calling in both games as a contributing reason to the loss. Any time a team scores at will then you have to blame the defense for that in the main. I do think it is likely we would have won one or both games if we had run the ball more but you nor anyone else knows that for certain. I do know if the defense had stopped the GB offense once or twice the game could have been different.

Injuries are a part of the game but injuries have derailed more teams than the Dallas Cowboys on way more than one occasion. What you and your compadres fail to understand is that the defensive coaches did a great job in keeping us in the divisional race just as the offense did. Sure it sucked and Garrett et al made their share of mistakes. They all do. I never said so in during the season because there is more than enough negative chatter around here. But at a certain point, I was amazed we weren't being blown out of every game.
 

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Despite what the lynch mob here may believe. I think he knows what hes doing....

Next year he will prove it, or be coaching somewhere else.



I think he knows what he is doing as far as personel and day to day management goes.

Where he fails hard is on game day.

Our schemes are brutal and his in game decision making is currently the worst in football.
 

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You have a point. The offense did fail the team on occasion but not often. Certainly it did well enough if the defense had been average we likely would have won enough games to go to the playoffs. I hang the failure of the team this year on the defense. We scored the necessary ppg to feel decent about the offense. It does need to improve and become more consistent.
Eh, the defense has its share of blame, sure, but I think you can point to just as many games and blame the offense as the defense. I think you could easily put the Detroit, KC, SD, and Philly losses on the offense.

The team didn't win a game in a shootout where the offense had to carry the team. The offense had that opportunity against Denver and choked late...the O did nothing against NO and Chicago, two games where the defense was outmatched from the start. Other than that game, the offense was just as bad as the D when the other team racked up points (Chi, NO, SD, GB, Det).

The notion that the Dallas offense carried this team to an 8-8 record despite the pitiful defense is a myth. Hell, they only won one game with more than 31 points, and that was the season opener against NYG, where the defense forced 6 TO and scored a TD of its own.
 

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The problem with Garrett is ... The "cowboy way" is the early 90's teams philosophy.

We don't have anything even remotely resembling the Early 90's team. Let alone that's things are completely different now.

He doesnt realize that or is just as stubborn as Jerry in his own way.
 

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Eh, the defense has its share of blame, sure, but I think you can point to just as many games and blame the offense as the defense. I think you could easily put the Detroit, KC, SD, and Philly losses on the offense.

The team didn't win a game in a shootout where the offense had to carry the team. The offense had that opportunity against Denver and choked late...the O did nothing against NO and Chicago, two games where the defense was outmatched from the start. Other than that game, the offense was just as bad as the D when the other team racked up points (Chi, NO, SD, GB, Det).

The notion that the Dallas offense carried this team to an 8-8 record despite the pitiful defense is a myth. Hell, they only won one game with more than 31 points, and that was the season opener against NYG, where the defense forced 6 TO and scored a TD of its own.

Yes the offense choked late but that's often the case when you repeatedly ask an offense to keep scoring every time it has the ball. You have to press because you know the defense is not going to hold. It puts too much pressure on the QB and the OC and they have to start taking chances and altering the play calling.

The fact they only one game scoring over 31 points screams defensive failure. The goal is to score 25+ ppg and give up 17 or less. Obviously you have to look at each game individually but that's a long standing goal for NFL teams. I think those goals need some tweaking but they are in the ballpark.
 

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Yes the offense choked late but that's often the case when you repeatedly ask an offense to keep scoring every time it has the ball. You have to press because you know the defense is not going to hold. It puts too much pressure on the QB and the OC and they have to start taking chances and altering the play calling.

The fact they only one game scoring over 31 points screams defensive failure. The goal is to score 25+ ppg and give up 17 or less. Obviously you have to look at each game individually but that's a long standing goal for NFL teams. I think those goals need some tweaking but they are in the ballpark.
I think those numbers are outdated, and against the schedule we played, unrealistic even with a very good defense. You hold a team under 24, you should have a chance to win, and that's basically what happened this year.

The point is, the offense never won a shootout, so there were no specific games where the offense was able to overcome mistakes by the defense.
 

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I think he knows what he is doing as far as personel and day to day management goes.

Where he fails hard is on game day.

Our schemes are brutal and his in game decision making is currently the worst in football.

Hard to say it is the absolute worst...but it is a chore to think back to a game where he out coached an elite opponent.
 

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We're just now starting to really get into the era where Jason is selecting the players he wants.

I think we're in for more rocks ahead, potentially. The more I think about it, the more I think guys like Demarcus Ware won't be around much longer. Garrett's been stuck with Wade-era contracts and dead money for a while. I think we'll get a sense of his mark on this team really this year. Let's see what the draft and off season hold.
If they cut Ware in March, all of the dead money from his contract is gone after the 2014 season. It also frees up 7.5M of cap space.
 

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It's not hard to understand Garrett he repeats the same things over and over again.
 

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I do not think there is anything to suggest he is good or bad in the area of talent acquisition. I think he can relate to the scouts, but ultimately he is not going to be the one who exclusively has the GM's ear. Since Jones "listens" to everyone, including disconnected drinking buddies, it is impossible to say he has had a significant impact.

Garrett was the one who thought Brad Johnson could still play.......
 

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The problem with Garrett is ... The "cowboy way" is the early 90's teams philosophy.

We don't have anything even remotely resembling the Early 90's team. Let alone that's things are completely different now.

He doesnt realize that or is just as stubborn as Jerry in his own way.

Arrogance before the fall....i.e. Pride before the fail.
 

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If they cut Ware in March, all of the dead money from his contract is gone after the 2014 season. It also frees up 7.5M of cap space.

How much if he is released following 2014, or restructured this year?

I think the more likely candidate to see a release is Miles Austin.
 

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How much if he is released following 2014, or restructured this year?

I think the more likely candidate to see a release is Miles Austin.
Restructure Ware and cut him after 2014 results in 11 million of dead money on the 2015 cap.
 

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Garrett may have his problems when it comes to coaching on the field of play but when it comes to the area of talent acquisition, he's been nothing but a positive influence for the Cowboys. I can't find fault with him in that area. If Jerry sees fit to listen to his advice, our talent acquisition will probably continue to improve even more.

I hate Garrett and I agree. He's great at talent acquisition.

But when it comes to game management and utilizing talent, he's the worst I've ever seen. What good is having an elite RB if you don't run the ball? What good is having an elite WR if you don't throw it up to him?
 

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Restructure Ware and cut him after 2014 results in 11 million of dead money on the 2015 cap.

What about Miles Austin?

I just don't see them dumping DeMarcus Ware for only $7.5M of cap relief unless there is a clear-cut replacement in free agency that they are targeting, which there isn't, at any position really.

I would much rather release Miles Austin, who does not create an area of need by his release and use his cap numbers toward other necessary restructures or extensions, and continue to build through the draft.

Again - one injury plagued season and I'm not writing off DeMarcus Ware. He dominated Tyron Smith in training camp and Tyron Smith dominated the league this year. You don't just launch a guy like that when he was clearly having injury issues for the first time in his career.
 
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