I think our defensive personnel fit the 4-3 better than the 3-4.

[AtlCB]

Yeah, we sure owned the Lions.

I was only referring to one player. The defense as a whole stunk. Keep up.

 

[AtlCB]

Here's an article on it.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9885032

Baltimore runs a 3-4 defense with linemen Haloti Ngata (23 tackles, INT) and Trevor Pryce (41 tackles, 10 sacks) among the featured players up front for a defense which has given up only three touchdowns in its last 18 quarters.

http://www.wpxi.com/sports/10546518/detail.html

 

[AtlCB]

Here's an article on it.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9885032

Look at their depth chart on their home site and on nfl.com. They run a base 3-4. They ran a base 46 in 2005 and went 6-10 and gave up 49 points to the Colts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look at their depth chart on their home site and on nfl.com. They run a base 3-4. They ran a base 46 in 2005 and went 6-10 and gave up 49 points to the Colts.

I've watched them play. I know what there doing. Look, if you want to say that they run a 34, OK fine. That still means that 4 of the top 5 defensive units in the NFL run a 4-3. It still means that 6 of the top 10 units in the NFL run a 4-3.

So again I ask you, how is it that you think a 34 is a better defense then a 43? If your answer is that you just like it better or that's just your opinion, OK. That's fine. I'm just looking for something with a little bit more substance then that.

 

[AtlCB]

I've watched them play. I know what there doing. Look, if you want to say that they run a 34, OK fine. That still means that 4 of the top 5 defensive units in the NFL run a 4-3. It still means that 6 of the top 10 units in the NFL run a 4-3.

So again I ask you, how is it that you think a 34 is a better defense then a 43? If your answer is that you just like it better or that's just your opinion, OK. That's fine. I'm just looking for something with a little bit more substance then that.

I've watched some Ravens games as well (Sunday ticket) and they play a base three man line.

The whole argument is simply opinion either way. I stated that on a previous post in this thread.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are we really arguing over which scheme inherently is better at stopping offenses in todays day and age.

FWIW, one game against a horrible interior line does not convince me that Spears and Canty can be successful on the three technique or the nose and without Ellis we are devoid of depth at end unless you want Spera/Canty out there too.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've watched some Ravens games as well (Sunday ticket) and they play a base three man line.

The whole argument is simply opinion either way. I stated that on a previous post in this thread.

I too have watched them play a great deal for the past few years and I tell you that they play a great deal of 4 man line. However, that being said, this is not about proving you wrong on Baltimore. This, to me, is about the merrits of each defense. On your part, it is opinion. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that.

However, the statement that the 3-4 is a better defense with the proper personel is not accurate IMO. No proof to support that statement.

 

[AtlCB]

I too have watched them play a great deal for the past few years and I tell you that they play a great deal of 4 man line. However, that being said, this is not about proving you wrong on Baltimore. This, to me, is about the merrits of each defense. On your part, it is opinion. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that.

Baltimore does mix in a lot of four man fronts. The argument was over their base. Our defense also ran some four man fronts. Ryan does mix in some 46 (more than any other team). The only argument was their base.

However, the statement that the 3-4 is a better defense with the proper personel is not accurate IMO. No proof to support that statement.

I have already posted that its an opinion. Everyone on this board posts opinions. In my opinion, the 3-4 is better. It's an opinion that the 46 was the reason for the Bears superbowl in '85. How much of the Bears success on defense was due to scheme and how much was due to personnel?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Baltimore does mix in a lot of four man fronts. The argument was over their base. Our defense also ran some four man fronts. Ryan does mix in some 46 (more than any other team). The only argument was their base.

I have already posted that its an opinion. Everyone on this board posts opinions. In my opinion, the 3-4 is better. It's an opinion that the 46 was the reason for the Bears superbowl in '85. How much of the Bears success on defense was due to scheme and how much was due to personnel?

Your correct, it is my opinion that Baltimores base is a 46. Having said that, it's perfectly fine with me if you say it's a 34. I don't agree. They run more and more 4 man line over the last 2 seasons. They hardly ran any 34 last year and this year, I would not say that you could even say they run it half the time. No big deal. We disagree.

In your opinion, why is the 34 better?

To answer the 46 Bears question, I'd have to say it was the scheme. No question that there personel was great but if your asking me, I say the scheme. Nobody knew how to attack it back then. That's why it was almost impossible to stop. Now, you can say that it was personel but then I'd ask, if that's the case, why did Buddy Ryan go to Philly and produce the same kinds of defensive results with the 46? I understand where your going here. Personel make the scheme and that's true to a certain extent but if that is true for the 34, it is also true for the 43.

 

[burmafrd]

The 3-4 is better in the respect that since few teams use it, its easier to get players for it- less competition. Also, since few teams use it, its tougher for opposing offenses to deal with since they do not see it very often.

 

[theogt]

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[ABQCOWBOY]

The 3-4 is better in the respect that since few teams use it, its easier to get players for it- less competition. Also, since few teams use it, its tougher for opposing offenses to deal with since they do not see it very often.

There are more and more teams who use a 34 so I don't know that you can say it's easier to find players who fit it. I think those days are fadding fast. I'm also going to say that there is enough film out there now for vertually any team to study and break down a 34. I think again, there is some substance to what you say, but this is not nearly as big a factor as it once was. The Pats started playing a 43 because teams were breaking down there 34 too easily.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are more and more teams who use a 34 so I don't know that you can say it's easier to find players who fit it. I think those days are fadding fast. I'm also going to say that there is enough film out there now for vertually any team to study and break down a 34. I think again, there is some substance to what you say, but this is not nearly as big a factor as it once was. The Pats started playing a 43 because teams were breaking down there 34 too easily.

The 4-3 LDE is perhaps the hardest position to find period.

For every Reggie White and Julius Peppers or Bruce Smith ther are 5 joey porters and karl Mecklenbergs or Shawn merriman or Greg Lloyd or Demarcus Ware or Julian Peterson or well i think you ge the point

 

[The Realist]

I was only referring to one player. The defense as a whole stunk. Keep up.

He had 3 tackles that game.

Make sure to where your helmet on the school bus.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The 4-3 LDE is perhaps the hardest position to find period.

For every Reggie White and Julius Peppers or Bruce Smith ther are 5 joey porters and karl Mecklenbergs or Shawn merriman or Greg Lloyd or Demarcus Ware or Julian Peterson or well i think you ge the point

I don't dispute this but I would make a couple of points here. If you have a White or a Peppers or a Smith, The rest of that defense is really not that hard to place. Close out CB but that's in either defense. Dominating DT but it's practically just as hard to find a quality NT. Is it harder to find four LBs the quality of New Englands or is it harder to find those DEs? I don't know.

 

[The Realist]

Hmmm, it's 4 to 4 and NE won 3 of those 4, and won the last one playing mostly 4-3, so I really fail to see the point.

So the bulk of the season as 3-4 and 1 game that you know of as 4-3 equals 4-3 team?

Actually they played quite a bit of that game with 5 LB's and 2 DL.


Anyone who doesn't see it's easier to find LB's and 3-4 DE's vs 4-3 DE's and DT's is very Radio-like.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So the bulk of the season as 3-4 and 1 game that you know of as 4-3 equals 4-3 team?

Actually they played quite a bit of that game with 5 LB's and 2 DL.


Anyone who doesn't see it's easier to find LB's and 3-4 DE's vs 4-3 DE's and DT's is very Radio-like.

No, they didn't. They played more 4 man line in that season then they did 34. Especially in the latter part of the season.

If it's so easy to find 34 LBs who can play that scheme, why doesn't everybody use it? If it's so easy to do, why don't we have them on our team? When you only had Pittsburgh and New
England running the 34. I think this was true. Now that there are 7 or 8 teams it's not as easy to find 250/260 pound OLBs who can cover and rush the passer while still holding up against the run.

 

[Vintage]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/depthChart.jsp

According to Baltimore's official team page, they run a 3-4.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't dispute this but I would make a couple of points here. If you have a White or a Peppers or a Smith, The rest of that defense is really not that hard to place. Close out CB but that's in either defense. Dominating DT but it's practically just as hard to find a quality NT. Is it harder to find four LBs the quality of New Englands or is it harder to find those DEs? I don't know.

The difference is that you only have available with pedigree mind you one LDE each and every year it seems and half of those flop whereas last year you had Wimbley and Carpenter and a couple other tweeners and its like that each and every year.

that being said Hatcher at 6'6" 290 screams LDE. i love when we draft BPA.