I think we take Chad Jackson

[Zippy Speedster]

Well most were also under the impression that we were good at the WR positon prior to signing TO. I would not be one bit surprised to see Bill grab one of the WRs at 18. Something tells me he wants to go back to his style of offense he played last time Bledsoe and he were together, when they were passing like crazy and I believe even setting records if my memory serves correctly. Whoever says Parcells is a predictable run-first coach, sure must like to overlook his time in NE, when might I add he had his one and only true gunslinger, Bledsoe. Jackson would be a sweet addition- then we could move Glenn out to the slot and run 3-sets all day long. The only thing I don't like about this scenerio is that we're not drafting our biggest need...OL. I feel like we should be moving up however far it takes to snatch Winston Justice and just be done with it. If we want a WR or OLB badly enough we can always grab one in the 2nd round. That's afterall where we just recently got our starting RB at- Hell, our Pro Bowl TE was taken in the 3rd. So don't say we can't fill either of these two holes later on. We'll regret it most when Bledsoe's laid-out on his back half the season.

 

[JonCJG]

I agree ABQCOWBOY.

I would rather have Chad Jackson. He most likely will be gone but Holmes will be there at 18.

We know SH makes plays and runs above average routes at this point and has the speed to get deep. High character kid, mature having a kid at a young age. Played at a big time program and produced. Only question is his weight? That's a risk but not a huge one. He's only 21 and has time to develop physically .

In a year that COULD be Parcells last I really don't want to have to hope both Glenn and T.O. stay healthy for all 16 games. If they were both 30 then I wouldn't even consider Jackson or Holmes but they're not. Copper and Crayton will not get it done if asked to be a #2 and #3. We need depth either in round one or 2.

 

[DLCassidy]

actually, I like Jackson alot, he showed his Junior year that he can get deep, and his Senior year, he fine-tuned other parts of his game, the things you mention here, due to Urban Meyer's offense, I just dont' see the fruitfulness of taking him with our 1st pick when he'll be no better than our 3rd WR, and as Goose stated, and which I believe, the best value for WRs in this draft is the 2nd day

No, he wouldn't be my 1st choice but I was answering the guys who said they'd be very disapointed. Disapointed is having no 1st rounder and taking Quincy Carter in the 2nd. Jackson would be nothing like that.

 

[DLCassidy]

Well most were also under the impression that we were good at the WR positon prior to signing TO. I would not be one bit surprised to see Bill grab one of the WRs at 18. Something tells me he wants to go back to his style of offense he played last time Bledsoe and he were together, when they were passing like crazy and I believe even setting records if my memory serves correctly. Whoever says Parcells is a predictable run-first coach, sure must like to overlook his time in NE, when might I add he had his one and only true gunslinger, Bledsoe. Jackson would be a sweet addition- then we could move Glenn out to the slot and run 3-sets all day long. The only thing I don't like about this scenerio is that we're not drafting our biggest need...OL. I feel like we should be moving up however far it takes to snatch Winston Justice and just be done with it. If we want a WR or OLB badly enough we can always grab one in the 2nd round. That's afterall where we just recently got our starting RB at- Hell, our Pro Bowl TE was taken in the 3rd. So don't say we can't fill either of these two holes later on. We'll regret it most when Bledsoe's laid-out on his back half the season.

BP only did that in NE because for a couple years he had no RB and an OL that couldn't run block. Bledsoe ain't 22 anymore he's 34. We will run a balanced attack for sure.

 

[Alexander]

Chad Jackson could be to Florida WR's what Larry Johnson was to Penn State RB's. Or he could be just another Gator dud in a long line of them. Why risk a critical 1st round pick on that chance?

I don't really care what school he is from. Besides, that Florida WR thing pretty much applied to the Spurrier WRs. Not this player.

I just don't see him as being an impact player in the NFL and certainly not even close to the eighteenth best player in this draft. If he goes ahead of us, someone is drafting for need and simply isn't getting the best player.

WRs like Jackson and Holmes can be obtained in any draft. It is just that this year's group is so lackluster, these two will be getting overdrafted.

 

[JonCJG]

Alexander what don't you like about Jackson or Holmes?

 

[Pokes28]

There isn't a first round talent WR in this draft. Period.

Jackson was a 3rd round pick before putting on shorts and running a 4.32 - 40 yard dash. But because he did that he magically jumped 60 draft spots? Come on. Yes Florida runs a short passing game, but of the WRs that were active in the passing game, Jackson had the least yards per catch of any of them. Sure he had a ton of short passes. Big woop. The deal is that he doesn't play as fast as he ran.

Holmes is a better talent in my opinion. He is a lot like Terry Glenn but doesn't quite have the burst that TG has. I just don't like using first round picks on guys that weigh 180 pounds (or so). Sure they can be great, but if they aren't very explosive, they can't provide you much more. They will not be good down field blockers which means that long runs get cut short, etc.

I'll be one pissed off Cowboys fan if we take either of these guys at 18.

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dwh

 

[Alexander]

Alexander what don't you like about Jackson or Holmes?

I don't think they have first round value. Neither is a very good blocker. Jackson doesn't run the best routes and his speed is very straight lineish (in other words he doesn't play as fast as he times).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't really care what school he is from. Besides, that Florida WR thing pretty much applied to the Spurrier WRs. Not this player.

I just don't see him as being an impact player in the NFL and certainly not even close to the eighteenth best player in this draft. If he goes ahead of us, someone is drafting for need and simply isn't getting the best player.

WRs like Jackson and Holmes can be obtained in any draft. It is just that this year's group is so lackluster, these two will be getting overdrafted.

I don't know Al. I look at Jackson and I see an extremely productive player that was miss used and still put up steller numbers.

I'm trying to find the whole in this kids game and all I can really come up with is his downfield blocking in the running game. I mean, this kid has it all. I don't think it's just a matter of this draft being weak. Don't get me wrong, it is weak in the WR area but I think that the one quality player at this position is Jackson. I think he's the one guy worth a high pick at the position.

If he would have played at SC or ND, he would be off the charts right now.

This guy is a lagit 4.3 with size and heigth. He runs fast, jumps high, cuts quick and catches everything well. People look at the fact that he didn't play like a deep threat guy at Florida and hold it against him. I personally think it was a blessing in desguise (sp). Too often, you see guys with his physical skills come out and not understand how to run routes because they have not been forced to do so. This guy, because of the offense he played in, had to learn to run routes and catch. His size, speed and leaping ability are beyond question. He has the speed and the hands to catch the deep ball. He's got a 40 inch vertical to go with the 4.32 speed. Holmes is considered one of the most explosive players in this draft yet Jackson's numbers are superior in almost every catagory.

I know it may seem as if I'm trying to sell you but really, but I don't think you have to do that for this player. I guess I'm just saying maybe look closer. He is elite in his ability. Compare him to WRs taken the last few years and I think you'll find that his numbers are as good or better then most. I think he might be for real.

 

[Alexander]

I don't know Al. I look at Jackson and I see an extremely productive player that was miss used and still put up steller numbers.

I'm trying to find the whole in this kids game and all I can really come up with is his downfield blocking in the running game. I mean, this kid has it all. I don't think it's just a matter of this draft being weak. Don't get me wrong, it is weak in the WR area but I think that the one quality player at this position is Jackson. I think he's the one guy worth a high pick at the position.

If he would have played at SC or ND, he would be off the charts right now.

This guy is a lagit 4.3 with size and heigth. He runs fast, jumps high, cuts quick and catches everything well. People look at the fact that he didn't play like a deep threat guy at Florida and hold it against him. I personally think it was a blessing in desguise (sp). Too often, you see guys with his physical skills come out and not understand how to run routes because they have not been forced to do so. This guy, because of the offense he played in, had to learn to run routes and catch. His size, speed and leaping ability are beyond question. He has the speed and the hands to catch the deep ball. He's got a 40 inch vertical to go with the 4.32 speed. Holmes is considered one of the most explosive players in this draft yet Jackson's numbers are superior in almost every catagory.

I know it may seem as if I'm trying to sell you but really, but I don't think you have to do that for this player. I guess I'm just saying maybe look closer. He is elite in his ability. Compare him to WRs taken the last few years and I think you'll find that his numbers are as good or better then most. I think he might be for real.

To save the words, I'll just say I disagree. I don't think he is elite.

And the point isn't whether he is talented. Both he and Holmes have their own merits. But I don't think either represent anything close to the value at 18. Neither are among the top 20 players in this or any draft.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

To save the words, I'll just say I disagree. I don't think he is elite.

And the point isn't whether he is talented. Both he and Holmes have their own merits. But I don't think either represent anything close to the value at 18. Neither are among the top 20 players in this or any draft.

I guess I don't understand how you come up with this. Pick a top 20 list and I would bet that 90% or more have Jackson rated in the top 20 and probably much higher.

I can respect the fact that you disagree but the fact of the matter is, he is a top rated player on most boards. He is worthy of a pick at 18, no question about that at all. I don't know that he will be there at 18 though. I think he's gone before we get a chance to consider him as a pick.

 

[Pokes28]

To save the words, I'll just say I disagree. I don't think he is elite.

And the point isn't whether he is talented. Both he and Holmes have their own merits. But I don't think either represent anything close to the value at 18. Neither are among the top 20 players in this or any draft.

Well put Alexander.

Let me refer to a thread about Jackson that was made over a month ago on the draft forum...

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51849

This puts more into words and even goes into the whole TO comparison (which isn't a good fit).

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dwh

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well put Alexander.

Let me refer to a thread about Jackson that was made over a month ago on the draft forum...

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51849

This puts more into words and even goes into the whole TO comparison (which isn't a good fit).

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

I don't know how you could come to the conclusions you did in that thread. How many rookies hit big numbers at WR?

He was in an offense that was injury ridden at almost every position on the field. Johnson's forte is not the long ball. He averaged over 15 yards per catch, which is not bad. He only caught 24 balls but his catches are never going to be great because he is a downfield threat. I don't think you can look at White and say, he's a bust because of his rookie year. I think it's an even further stretch to say that because you think White is a bust, so then will Jackson bust. Zero evidence to support this line of reasoning IMO.

 

[CriscoKidd]

I don't know Al. I look at Jackson and I see an extremely productive player that was miss used and still put up steller numbers.

where are the stellar numbers? He had one okay season as a wr1, but nothing great. He had a good year as a wr3, but again, nothing to rave over. He really doesn't have the on the field production.

I'm trying to find the whole in this kids game and all I can really come up with is his downfield blocking in the running game. I mean, this kid has it all. I don't think it's just a matter of this draft being weak. Don't get me wrong, it is weak in the WR area but I think that the one quality player at this position is Jackson. I think he's the one guy worth a high pick at the position.

If he would have played at SC or ND, he would be off the charts right now.

This guy is a lagit 4.3 with size and heigth. He runs fast, jumps high, cuts quick and catches everything well. People look at the fact that he didn't play like a deep threat guy at Florida and hold it against him. I personally think it was a blessing in desguise (sp). Too often, you see guys with his physical skills come out and not understand how to run routes because they have not been forced to do so. This guy, because of the offense he played in, had to learn to run routes and catch. His size, speed and leaping ability are beyond question. He has the speed and the hands to catch the deep ball. He's got a 40 inch vertical to go with the 4.32 speed. Holmes is considered one of the most explosive players in this draft yet Jackson's numbers are superior in almost every catagory.

Where do you get that he knows how to run routes? Quick hitches, running routes out of the backfield into the flats aren't routes that is going to be running in the NFL that often, esp since he isn't that great after the catch. His route running is suspect, which is why he never looked as fast on the field as he timed in the combine. Learning how to run routes is not the easiest thing to learn, and a lot of guys bust because they can't.

What you have in CJ is a guy that had an awesome combine but is raw as a receiver due to the system he played in. He isn't a RAC guy, he is a deep to intermediate threat that has little experience with deep to intermediate routes.

Measurables isn't the end all be all, esp for wrs. And the TO comparisons are way off base. If anything, I'd liken his ability to more in line with Chris Chambers. But he's still a project and may never develop into anything more than a Lelie or Calico.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

where are the stellar numbers? He had one okay season as a wr1, but nothing great. He had a good year as a wr3, but again, nothing to rave over. He really doesn't have the on the field production.



Where do you get that he knows how to run routes? Quick hitches, running routes out of the backfield into the flats aren't routes that is going to be running in the NFL that often, esp since he isn't that great after the catch. His route running is suspect, which is why he never looked as fast on the field as he timed in the combine. Learning how to run routes is not the easiest thing to learn, and a lot of guys bust because they can't.

What you have in CJ is a guy that had an awesome combine but is raw as a receiver due to the system he played in. He isn't a RAC guy, he is a deep to intermediate threat that has little experience with deep to intermediate routes.

Measurables isn't the end all be all, esp for wrs. And the TO comparisons are way off base. If anything, I'd liken his ability to more in line with Chris Chambers. But he's still a project and may never develop into anything more than a Lelie or Calico.

Combine numbers. Speed, agility, measurables, those are what I am refering to. As for on the field production, you have to remember that he was only a Jr. Your talking about a player who has had to learn two completely different offenses in 3 years. His production is not bad at all if you consider that. Also remember that in the 04 season, his average per catch was over 22 yards per. Meyers offense has definatly effected Jackson.

This player runs good routes. I'm not certain how you come to the conclusion that he does not. What's more, he's going to get much better. He's also very ellusive and exceptionally strong. There is nothing wrong with his RAC capability. I've watched this player play. This is so much BS on the poor route running.

Can't address your TO questions. I never made any comparisons with TO so this is irrelivant. However, if I were going to compare this player to somebody, it would probably be Javon Walker.

His freshman year, Jackson didn't play much but he did do some exceptional things on special teams as a returner, which is why your statement about his inability to run after the catch makes me laugh. In his Soph year, he only started 3 games with 29 catches but, he had 29 catches for 648 yards. That's 22.3 yards per catch. He also had 6 TDs. That is production when given the opportunity. In his Jr year, in another new offense, he caught 88 balls for 900 yards and 9 TDs. Myers offense held this players ability to be explosive down IMO. Still that's a pretty good year considering. If you look at the 88 catches and the 10.2 yards per, I can see how you can decide that he doesn't have the ability to get RAC but, it would not be true. It suggests that your looking at a stat line and drawing conclusions. This, IMO, is a mistake with this player. He can play.

 

[Alexander]

I can respect the fact that you disagree but the fact of the matter is, he is a top rated player on most boards.

Now he is. How many had him even close before the Combine? Virtually none. Sorry, but I don't respect that type of analysis that is a knee jerk reaction to a workout without pads. And even his positional workout was far from exceptional. In the WR drills, he didn't do so well, dropped a few, body caught others etc. He ran a great 40, so I guess that is what impresses the easily impressed.

He could go from late first/early second, into a solid first round pick but getting moved up to the top 15 and being solid? Forget it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Now he is. How many had him even close before the Combine? Virtually none. Sorry, but I don't respect that type of analysis that is a knee jerk reaction to a workout without pads. And even his positional workout was far from exceptional. In the WR drills, he didn't do so well, dropped a few, body caught others etc. He ran a great 40, so I guess that is what impresses the easily impressed.

He could go from late first/early second, into a solid first round pick but getting moved up to the top 15 and being solid? Forget it.

I'm sorry Al but I didn't see any of this. I thought he caught the ball very well at the combine. Used his hands and showed good reaction out of his breaks. Smooth in and out of cuts and exceptional burst is what I saw. Perhaps I am confused but this is what I saw.

To answer your question, nobody had him ranked above the second but nobody new that he could run a 4.32 or grade out better in the 10/20 and cones then practically anybody else on the field. I mean, how many people had Ware going at 11 to us last year? Are you going to say that he was not worth the pick? Personally, I think he will be excellent. I will be the first to admit that I did not want to take Ware at that spot last year. I wanted to trade down but that didn't happen. Never the less, I'd have to say that Ware has the potential to be a star in the NFL. Early indications would suggest that I was wrong. It can happen.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I hate to say this but here it goes...Chad Jackson reminds of T.O. in size and ability to get yards after the catch. I am not saying he is a sure fire all-pro but I think he is MUCH different than past Florida WR's who shied away from contact and were products of the Spurrier system.

I have advocated this pick before although I wouldn't object to an OLB. It would be the perfect situation for Jackson to step into. No one has T.O.'s work ethic on this current roster. NO ONE! He practices hard and plays hard as well. If Jackson can learn from T.O. onfield the little nuances of the game he will be a freak! The speedster that those of you think we need at WR would be Terry Glenn while Jackson would run routes similar to those T.O. will run (that means all routes: short, intermediate and deep). Michael Irvin would be a great onfield influence for Jackson as well since he too practiced and played hard.

I have read a great deal of posts saying that it doesn't make sense to use a first rounder on a WR that would be our 4th wide and only play special teams. I submit to that faction that the 4th wide that only will play special teams is already on the roster and he is Patrick Crayton. If Jackson is drafted he will be the 3rd wideout and Crayton would be our PR and on the return/kickoff teams. Jackson would then assume the #1 WR slot for the future with Crayton maybe developing into a #2 WR, maybe.

If he (Jackson) is the choice we can always trade back into the 1st for Carpenter/Wimbley/Lawson or trade up in the second for an OLB and then get OL help in the 3rd. A decent FS prospect could be around as long as the fourth or fifth round. A NT can be had on second day as well.

Just my thoughts folks. Just my thoughts.

What if, I know this is a big what if, he did get him and he learned to work out like T.O. and picked up some of his on-field preparations :shoot2:

 

[Pokes28]

If you want a TO clone, research a guy by the name of Brandon Marshall. He's the same size, the same speed, plays almost the same way that TO did coming out of college. And he's put up amazing numbers and has proven to be the ultimate team first player (switching from WR to Safety his junior year after his team had a ton of injuries and led the team in tackles).

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dwh

 

[Woods]

If you want a TO clone, research a guy by the name of Brandon Marshall. He's the same size, the same speed, plays almost the same way that TO did coming out of college. And he's put up amazing numbers and has proven to be the ultimate team first player (switching from WR to Safety his junior year after his team had a ton of injuries and led the team in tackles).

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

That's the guy I want to draft.

A lot of mocks have him going in the 3rd round now . . . . Hopefully, if we get our 4th back, or we can get him in the 5th, he would be an interesting Day 2 pick.