I want Norv Turner as HC

[rcaldw]

I see a lot of posts saying that people are "praying" that Turner isn't the guy. I thought I would just say that there are some of us who actually think he would make a very good choice. I'm one of those. Why?

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

I'm sure there are other good reasons, but I'm headed out the door and these are off the top of my head. But I thought I would just represent for those of us who want Norv Turner.

I'm one. No Phillips. No Rex Ryan. No Rivera. Bring back Norv.

 

[VA Cowboy]

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

1. Nothing he has ever done has shown that he's a good HC. No facts prove your claim.

2. Connecting us to the past may make us feel good, but is irrelevant to the current product on the field.

3. He could help Romo and Garrett. He is a good OC, but he wouldn't be hire to be OC, he would be hired to be HC and there, he is a proven failure.

4. A connecton to the past? Uh...isn't this the same as #2, which is irrelevant?

 

[BigDFan5]

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

OC sure but HC hell no and his history proves that

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

I want to win in 2007, not talk about what we won in 1993

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

If Garrett Needs a babysitter he should not have been hired. Garrett can mentor Romo

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

Again who cares who comes to visit at training camp. It wont matter if the team doesnt respect Norv.

I'm sure there are other good reasons, but I headed out the door and these are off the top of my head. But I thought I would just represent for those of us who want Norv Turner.

You dont give a strong argument here sorry.

I'm one. No Phillips. No Rex Ryan. No Rivera. Bring back Norv.

Hooray for mediocrity Hooray beer

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

he's a bad head coach: fact

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

so what?

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

we could have kept Chris Palmer to help Romo, and how on Earth is Norv going to help Garrett mature to be the future HC, when he's never been a successful one himself?

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

other than Troy Aikman and Daryl Johnston, which former Cowboys who worked w/ Garrett as coach, would you trust around our young guys? Michael Irvin? Emmett Smith?

 

[Bizwah]

If Garrett Needs a babysitter he should not have been hired.

Outstanding post!

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[rcaldw]

VA Cowboy and Big D 5.

1. Your HC history would have shot down the Patriots head coach before he led his team to 3 Super Bowls. Remember the Browns?

2. Norv's head coach history has to do with 2 notorious owners. Al Davis, and Daniel Snyder. You go and try to win at those two places.

If you want to counter that Jerry is that kind of owner, then none of our discussion matters does it? (see the bottomless cavern that is the Oakland Raiders)

The rest of your comments don't represent anything new, and I stand by my original sentiments.

Heading out now, the rest of you boys can duke it out!!

Rc

 

[Bob Sacamano]

VA Cowboy and Big D 5.

1. Your HC history would have shot down the Patriots head coach before he led his team to 3 Super Bowls. Remember the Browns?

58-85-1

 

[neosapien23]

I don't know why everyone seems to be hating on Norv Turner. There was no way he was winnning in Oakland. There was no talent there. As for Washington, he did a descent job considering that team overbid on alot of underachievers. He got fired for going 7-6. I'll make a bold prediction. Norv will be in the playoffs next year and his team will win a playoff game. If that happens I bet there will be alot of haters saying that he won with BP's team, and while that may be true I am not criticizing BP the GM, but Parcells was severely outcoached alot this year.

 

[Gaede]

I like that you have an opinion and reasons to support it, but I can honestly say that I disagree with every single one of them.

1. He may be a good coach, obviously I have no first hand knowledge here...but his history says that he isn't a good head coach. And no, OC and HC aren't the same thing. There's a huge difference between calling plays from a booth and walking the sidelines. I think he is a good teacher, his experience with QB's shows this. But leading a group of men is different than teaching only one or two.

2. It doesn't matter to me. His past with the Cowboys doesn't mean he'll be a good leader for the team right now.

3. I believe he'll help these two. This is the positive that comes along with Norv, it's not really disputable either. However, the head coach has more responsibilities than mentoring the QB and the golden boy OC. What happens to the rest of the team? Are they less important than Romo and Garrett? The QB and OC are priorities but the rest of the team is left to squander

4. I don't think this matters at all. But then again, most posters on here are older than I am and this factor does matter. But, bottomline, connection to past players is a fan concern--not a football one. A personal preference not a business move.

 

[BigDFan5]

1. Your HC history would have shot down the Patriots head coach before he led his team to 3 Super Bowls. Remember the Browns?

Good job comparing apples to spaceships. Norv failed TWICE already. Bellichick had failed once, he was successful in his second run.

2. Norv's head coach history has to do with 2 notorious owners. Al Davis, and Daniel Snyder. You go and try to win at those two places.

Thats amazing considering Norv was HC 5 years before Snyder bought the Commanders. Guess what he sucked then too.

If you want to counter that Jerry is that kind of owner, then none of our discussion matters does it? (see the bottomless cavern that is the Oakland Raiders)

Jerry is not as bad as either of them, but if you think Norv will get complete control I got some land to sell you

The rest of your comments don't represent anything new, and I stand by my original sentiments.

They do represent reality though

 

[rcaldw]

58-85-1

Belichick with Browns, 36-44, and 5-11 in his first year at New England

THOSE ARE FACTS.

3 Super Bowls later what is the common view of him? Like him or hate him, he can coach.

 

[VA Cowboy]

VA Cowboy and Big D 5.

1. Your HC history would have shot down the Patriots head coach before he led his team to 3 Super Bowls. Remember the Browns?

For the millionth time, Belichick only had one bad tenure in Cleveland. Norv had 7 years in Washington and sucked most of the time. The most he ever did was win one wildcard game. He ALSO failed in Oakland.

He's been a HC for 9 years and only had one decent season. I fail to see where Belichick was a failure in two places and how he is relevant. Norv in no Belichick...sorry.

2. Norv's head coach history has to do with 2 notorious owners. Al Davis, and Daniel Snyder. You go and try to win at those two places.

Once again, in case you missed it, Norv was losing in Washington long before Snyder bought the team.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Belichick with Browns, 36-44, and 5-11 in his first year at New England

THOSE ARE FACTS.

3 Super Bowls later what is the common view of him? Like him or hate him, he can coach.

You can mention Belichick til you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to turn Norv into Belichick.

 

[rcaldw]

For the millionth time, Belichick only had one bad tenure in Cleveland. Norv had 7 years in Washington and sucked most of the time. The most he ever did was win one wildcard game. He ALSO failed in Oakland.

He's been a HC for 9 years and only had one decent season. I fail to see where Belichick was a failure in two places and how he is relevant. Norv in no Belichick...sorry.



Once again, in case you missed it, Norv was losing in Washington long before Snyder bought the team.

What is the magical number? Belichick failing once doesn't count. Turner failing twice, the 2nd one at Oakland, and he will never be able to be a good head coach? Who set the #2 as the magic number? You?

I'm sorry, I don't count Oakland, you can if you wish, but no one is winning at Oakland. No one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Like him or hate him, he can coach.

offense, but not a team

 

[VA Cowboy]

What is the magical number? Belichick failing once doesn't count. Turner failing twice, the 2nd one at Oakland, and he will never be able to be a good head coach? Who set the #2 as the magic number? You?

I'm sorry, I don't count Oakland, you can if you wish, but no one is winning at Oakland. No one.

So how many chances do you think Norv needs? He's had two HC jobs, a total of 9 years and the most he ever did was win one wildcard game.

Oakland doesn't count? Well, weren't they in the Super Bowl in 2002? How can that be ifno one can win there?

 

[5Stars]

Belichick with Browns, 36-44, and 5-11 in his first year at New England

THOSE ARE FACTS.

3 Super Bowls later what is the common view of him? Like him or hate him, he can coach.

Are yu suggesting that Norv is as good as Belichick?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Are yu suggesting that Norv is as good as Belichick?

If Belichick can succeed in his second try, that means Norv needs unlimited opportunities

 

[rcaldw]

Are yu suggesting that Norv is as good as Belichick?

I'm suggesting that no one thought Belichick was Belichick after the Browns and after his first year in New England. Would you dispute that?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Belichick can succeed in his second try, that means Norv needs unlimited opportunities

or, teams better trade a 1st for Matt Baker, because Tony Romo was once a UFA, but now is a star on the rise, it will happen to Matt Baker too