I want Norv Turner as HC

[DipChit]

Sadly for Norv.. unless we go deep into the playoff multiple times with him at the helm he'll never get credit for being "great" anyway.

Previous stooge coaches have ruined that ability for him the last number of years by somehow managing to roam the sidelines in a SB game too often.

Billiick, Martz, Fassel, Callahan, etc.. unless we think *they're* great coaches?

The only way a guy can truly make a name for himself is to bring a team up from the ashes. Which we arent in.

 

[Henry]

Henry, wouldn't it be even worse if Norv WAS hired here and DID turn out to be a great coach for us? That would be a Commanders nightmare.

That would be an absolute nightmare. That would be almost too much to bear, and probably worse than seeing you win 3 out of 4 all those years ago.

The thing is, I just don't see it happening. I'm not worried about that at all.

 

[rcaldw]

Sadly for Norv.. unless we go deep into the playoff multiple times with him at the helm he'll never get credit for being "great" anyway.

Previous stooge coaches have ruined that ability for him the last number of years by somehow managing to roam the sidelines in a SB game.

Billiick, Martz, Fassel, Callahan, etc.. unless we think *they're* great coaches?

You are correct DipChit. All I know for sure is this. No one has the magic formula. No one. If Bill Parcells didn't prove that these last 4 years then I don't know what it will take for us to learn that lesson.

If Turner comes to Dallas, I welcome him and hope he can put it together.

 

[DipChit]

If Turner comes to Dallas, I welcome him and hope he can put it together.

Well once it gets set in stone.. if it does, I'm sure we all more or less will do the same.. we'll have no choice.

But for now it's not much different than bellyaching about Switzer, or Campo or why we handed the keys to QC etc etc. Circumstances where we thought there was better options.

 

[superpunk]

You got it SP. You put it very well, I agree with you completely.

And yes, I'll say it again, since you couldn't believe you read it the first time. I got tired of hearing his Giants stories. I'm a Cowboys fan, this is America's Team, we are the New York Yankees of Football, the Giants organization can't tie our shoes, that is how I feel about it. If you don't, that's fine, but I don't want to hear his Giants stories when he is the head coach of America's team. And like I've already said. If Turner becomes our head coach and "stinks it up" (boy we sure have been riding high these last 4 years), then I'll eat my words. But if he does a good job and we have some great years, just remember all the "he can't coach" posts.

He can "coach."

He is a failure as a "head coach."

I'm glad the you can handle having the Frank Chance of Football coach the NY Yankees of Football. So long as he's not from NY. He's from Washington. We can hear some sweet-*** Heath Shuler stories, I'm sure.

 

[rcaldw]

He can "coach."

He is a failure as a "head coach."

I'm glad the you can handle having the Frank Chance of Football coach the NY Yankees of Football. So long as he's not from NY. He's from Washington. We can hear some sweet-*** Heath Shuler stories, I'm sure.

Here is where we can completely agree. I hope we never hear those kinds of stories.

And not just to you SP, to all who don't want him, I understand where you are coming from. We all have our opinions about what will or won't work. We all want the same thing, for our Cowboys to do well. Lets hope this one turns out right, however it turns out.

 

[superpunk]

Here is where we can completely agree. I hope we never hear those kinds of stories.

And not just to you SP, to all who don't want him, I understand where you are coming from. We all have our opinions about what will or won't work. We all want the same thing, for our Cowboys to do well. Lets hope this one turns out right, however it turns out.

That we do.

I just cannot fathom how a group of people who were clamoring for Parcells (HOF coach) to leave for a litany of reasons (mediocrity, lack of fire, ruining QBs, ruining RBs, stifling coordinators, being from NY) most of which are utter bull, can get behind a head coach who has been a complete failure everywhere he's gone, and has actually been worse than mediocre, lacked fire, ruined QBs, and worked for Washington longer than Dallas.

It's a run on sentence, but that doesn't make any sense. You want Parcells gone, but you're stoked for the anti-Parcells (in every way - INCLUDING winning, the most important factor).

No sense at all. Thank god it's not Parcells, though, and we don't have to listen to any more stories about HOF football players he used to coach. Whew! Having the franchises direction hijacked and driven in to the ground will be offset by stories about Troy. I'm stoked.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

What is the magical number? Belichick failing once doesn't count. Turner failing twice, the 2nd one at Oakland, and he will never be able to be a good head coach? Who set the #2 as the magic number? You?

I'm sorry, I don't count Oakland, you can if you wish, but no one is winning at Oakland. No one.

At this point in time Dallas=Oakland. Owners are the same creature.

I don't see how you think norv failed twice, seems to me he failed 6 times in Washington and 2 times in Oakland. Six times in Washington! He had a long time to fix that situation (before Snyder) and he couldn't get it done. Suddenly he's going to come in with a owner who thinks he knows player/personnel and suddenly start winning? With this team of quitters?

I'd personally like to have Rivera. He could come in fix the worst D in the NFL and hopefully have a long coaching tenure here, ie 10-15 years.

 

[rcaldw]

That we do.

I just cannot fathom how a group of people who were clamoring for Parcells (HOF coach) to leave for a litany of reasons (mediocrity, lack of fire, ruining QBs, ruining RBs, stifling coordinators, being from NY) most of which are utter bull, can get behind a head coach who has been a complete failure everywhere he's gone, and has actually been worse than mediocre, lacked fire, ruined QBs, and worked for Washington longer than Dallas.

It's a run on sentence, but that doesn't make any sense. You want Parcells gone, but you're stoked for the anti-Parcells (in every way - INCLUDING winning, the most important factor).

No sense at all. Thank god it's not Parcells, though, and we don't have to listen to any more stories about HOF football players he used to coach. Whew! Having the franchises direction hijacked and driven in to the ground will be offset by stories about Troy. I'm stoked.

I guess part of my desire for Turner to be here is, in part, that I thought he should have been hired after Jimmy. Unfortunately he had just taken the Washington job. (Of course you would say "fortunately" )

I think, as Turner himself has said, sometimes it is about "timing and circumstances." I just think the timing and circumstances are right for this.

I can assure you of one thing. No one on this board wants "mediocrity". Not if they are a Cowboys fan.

If I didn't believe that Turner would win here I wouldn't want him no matter how many good Cowboys stories he could tell.

I really believe he will do a good job in this setting, at this time.

Could I be wrong? Certainly. And I know you are convinced I am. Fair enough.

But I really don't think I am. And further more, I don't see the Parcells years as much more than mediocrity, the very thing you say you hate.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That we do.

I just cannot fathom how a group of people who were clamoring for Parcells (HOF coach) to leave for a litany of reasons (mediocrity, lack of fire, ruining QBs, ruining RBs, stifling coordinators, being from NY) most of which are utter bull, can get behind a head coach who has been a complete failure everywhere he's gone, and has actually been worse than mediocre, lacked fire, ruined QBs, and worked for Washington longer than Dallas.

It's a run on sentence, but that doesn't make any sense. You want Parcells gone, but you're stoked for the anti-Parcells (in every way - INCLUDING winning, the most important factor).

No sense at all. Thank god it's not Parcells, though, and we don't have to listen to any more stories about HOF football players he used to coach. Whew! Having the franchises direction hijacked and driven in to the ground will be offset by stories about Troy. I'm stoked.

It's change for the sake of change. Granted Parcells retired. Nothing can be done about that and we have to have a coach. Were I agree with you is people who are just agreeing to give these "coaches" a pass.

If all other avenues are exhausted then maybe we will have to settle for less.
At the very least Jerry explore ever single avenue.

So far an unkown at OC, a failure at HC (if he signs Norv) and god knows what at DC.

 

[superpunk]

But I really don't think I am. And further more, I don't see the Parcells years as much more than mediocrity, the very thing you say you hate.

There are worse fate's than the mediocrity and direction that Parcells had established. We were slightly better than mediocre. But at least we were building something. What did Norv build in Washington or Oakland? Nothing. He made them worse. I'd like to believe it would be different here, too - but there's no reason to, other than blind faith and the ability to forgive his past because he's a Cowboy from the start, and knew Troy and Emmitt. There's nothing there at all, besides bad teams, worse teams, and building for nothing with norv.

 

[visionary]

I see a lot of posts saying that people are "praying" that Turner isn't the guy. I thought I would just say that there are some of us who actually think he would make a very good choice. I'm one of those. Why?

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

I'm sure there are other good reasons, but I'm headed out the door and these are off the top of my head. But I thought I would just represent for those of us who want Norv Turner.

I'm one. No Phillips. No Rex Ryan. No Rivera. Bring back Norv.

you forgot to say "he would represent a connection to old times"

 

[DipChit]

I think, as Turner himself has said, sometimes it is about "timing and circumstances." I just think the timing and circumstances are right for this.

Well I hope it's more right than it was in Oakland cause here's a couple quotes from Norv and Al the day he was hired:

"I belong here," Turner told The Associated Press.

"When I got off the plane the other night, I felt like I was coming home. I feel like I'm home now."

"I felt if I waited [to hire a coach], I couldn't do any better," Davis told AP. "I just thought it was the right fit. Everything that we need at this particular time, we will rely on Norv to help us with."



Oh well...... hard to hit every time.

 

[rcaldw]

Well I hope it's more right than it was in Oakland cause here's a couple quotes from Norv and Al the day he was hired:

"I belong here," Turner told The Associated Press.

"When I got off the plane the other night, I felt like I was coming home. I feel like I'm home now."


"I felt if I waited [to hire a coach], I couldn't do any better," Davis told AP. "I just thought it was the right fit. Everything that we need at this particular time, we will rely on Norv to help us with."

Oh well...... hard to hit every time.

Hope springs eternal. Lets hope for it to be the real deal this time if Turner shows up here.

Honestly, we are all just killing some time here. It will be Jerry Jones' decision. Doesn't that comfort you?!

 

[SultanOfSix]

How much input did Norv really have in the personnel decisions in Washington, and how good was the personnel in Washington to come to the conclusion that Norv sucked as a head coach?

I've heard a lot of people complaining that Norv sucked in Washington because his team was undisciplined and lost a lot of close games. Well, can that be attributed to the talent level? I mean, last year, we were undisciplined and lost a lot of close games with BP at the helm. But, we are supposed to be quite talented.

Last time I checked, Casserly was the GM for Norv's Washington teams. The same guy who was let go in Houston and really hasn't done anything significant. So, can Washington's failure be fully attributed to Norv?

I'm asking the question for answers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm just wondering what the thought process would be of Norval if he started out as a Giant coordinator

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm just wondering what the thought process would be of Norval if he started out as a GIant coorinator

here ya go some thing like.................

)&&^&^&%^&%$$^%^#%^#%$&% stupid yankee*&^&%%^$^%$##$^
to&^%& jersye.I hope he falls &^*&^*&^cliff. Only a texas coach can bring back our greatness.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

go home Yankee boy!!

 

[Da Hammer]

I see a lot of posts saying that people are "praying" that Turner isn't the guy. I thought I would just say that there are some of us who actually think he would make a very good choice. I'm one of those. Why?

1. I actually think he is a good coach. Period. OC or HC doesn't matter to me. Good coaching is good coaching and Turner is a good coach.

2. He connects us to the best times we have had as a franchise (in recent history). I like that. I got really tired of New York Giants stories.

3. I think he will help Romo AND Garrett in their maturation. That is a good thing.

4. I think he represents a connection with past PLAYERS who will begin to emerge again and have some influence on the current guys. I like that. Instead of Jim Burt hanging around the team, how about some of our guys?

I'm sure there are other good reasons, but I'm headed out the door and these are off the top of my head. But I thought I would just represent for those of us who want Norv Turner.

I'm one. No Phillips. No Rex Ryan. No Rivera. Bring back Norv.

and this helps our defense how...