I wish I could believe otherwise - but no great HC is headed here

[plasticman]

If I was McCarthy, as soon as the final whistle blew for the last game, I would run. I would not look back. All they would see from me is rear end and elbows. At this point, firing him would be doing him a favor.

The only way the Cowboys get a good HC in 2025 is by a freak accident. Even then, so what? He's being micromanaged by an amateur with delusions of grandeur.

 

[fivetwos]

If I was McCarthy, as soon as the final whistle blew for the last game, I would run. I would not look back. All they would see from me is rear end and elbows. At this point, firing him would be doing him a favor.

The only way the Cowboys get a good HC in 2025 is by a freak accident. Even then, so what? He's being micromanaged by an amateur with delusions of grandeur.

You forgot ‘undermined,’ disguised as “how we do things here with the Cowboys.”

Meaning…it’s all about Jerry and that’s that.

 

[StylisticS]

If only the media and the fanbase would turn on this guy, that's the only difference maker out there I feel.

And truthfully, it's not just a headcoach he won't hire. He refuses to draft a great quarterback. Because then he'd have to share the glory with the quarterback and the quarterback would be the story.
Jerry can't stand that, it's got to be all Jerry.

Yeah that’s another thing. He doesn’t respect the coaching position and you could make the same argument for the QB position.

 

[TwentyOne]

Many Cowboys fans are discussing some big names who could be our next head coach. I’ve done some of that dreaming too. But at this point unless the man in charge makes MAJOR changes in how he operates, there will be no new coach that can rescue this mess. Because the owner won’t allow it.

I wish I could believe there is a new and better head coach headed to Dallas for 2025. But I just can’t. As long as Jerry Jones is breathing he will never hire a head coach that would or could upstage him.

To support this belief, here are some key points that have seemed obvious to me for years:

• Jerry Jones does not think like a normal owner or GM who wants to win a championship so badly he’s willing to hire a great HC, pay him handsomely, and support that HC by backing off. He does not want to win bad enough to change. Period.
• Jerry hires HCs not based on who gives us the best chance to win a championship but who makes him feel comfortable. (Your honor I submit these names into evidence: Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, and Jason Garrett)
• The job of being HC of the Dallas Cowboys is not attractive to a HC who wants to do what normal HCs do in the NFL; like have control of the locker room, select his assistants, decide who starts, control the message to the press, etc.

I do not believe this job is attractive to any self respecting up and coming HC who is young and rising star (like Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn) because (a) Jerry doesn’t want to be upstaged ever again by a young star coach like Jimmy Johnson. (b)He will not change.

Our only hope rests in any of these things happening:

1. The Jones kids are tired of this 3 decade treadmill and want real changes. They pressure the old man to hire someone who can and will change this culture and force the old man to back off after the hire.
2. Jerry himself is tired of this cycle and decides to go after a coach that he will pay well, gives him freedom to run the team like a normal HC, and allows him to transform his culture.
3. Things stay exactly the same and we somehow just flat get lucky with whoever is hired.

Of these scenarios (all of which are unlikely) I hope scenario 1 could somehow, some way happen. Maybe Stephen, Charlotte and Jerry Jr have had enough of this wash, rinse repeat cycle of playoff irrelevance and put some pressure on Daddy to change.

My friends, without major change at the top, we cannot expect different results.

Good points Bob.

IMO we wont be able to get even a good HC.

Headcoaches come here to get a last paycheck. And get ready for retirement. Not because they are looking for sporty success.

You gave some reasons for that. Money for sure is an issue. But also that this franchise is not a good address if you want to have success.

Just imagine being a good manager. You have invested a lot of money and hard work into your education. You are looking for a company to work for. Do you chose one who is on the hard decline for the last 25 year or one that has been top notch for that timespan?
And if you have to come here anyway what does it tell us about your quality?


Seriously if i were an up and coming HC candidate in the NFL DC would be the last franchise i would consider coaching for. Even if they would offer me more money than the others.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Any young coach worth his salt and with a sack of brass balls, will jump at the chance. Coaches have a lot of confidence and swagger....they believe they are the one. If they don't want this challenge, we definitely, shouldn't want them.

Merely the fact that a coach would even consider coming to this crap hole is a massive red flag.

 

[sunalsorises]

What great HC is available? Most good NFL coaches are "found" meaning they have come up through OC/DC roles. Coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick (I guess Sean Payton too) usually aren't available. It's not like Jerry can just go hire Sean McVay away from the Rams.

 

[Cmac]

Jerry wouldn't surprise me if he called Matt Eberflus for an interview.

 

[Big_D]

It’s a complete dumpster fire here. Nothing is saving this team.

 

[Bobhaze]

I'm not afraid to say something I do not know. I simply have no idea, and neither do you. It wouldn't surprise me for McCarthy to get a new contract. But this idea that coaches won't come to Dallas comes without a shred of evidence to support it. Jerry has hired Super Bowl-winning coaches, he's hired up-and-coming coaches, he's hired assistants already on staff, he's hired successful college head coaches. It's hard to say which one he'll do next, if he makes a change.

Serious question: Who are the “up and coming” head coaches Jerry has hired besides Jimmy Johnson? Chan Gailey? Dave Campo? Wade? Garrett? Even if you consider all those guys up and comers, most never did anything successful again in the NFL.

Of that list only Chan Gailey ever got another NFL HC job again and it was nearly a decade later at Buffalo for 3 years. Campo never got another HC job at any level. Wade has always been a successful DC. But the only HC he’s been since he left Dallas was for the XFL. Garrett can’t get hired even at the college level.

Jerry has hired 8 HCs coaches in his time as owner and only 2 of them were great - Jimmy and Parcells were great NFL coaches. Switzer? Great college coach but not NFL despite his SB win. McCarthy is probably a good but not great HC. The other 5 HCs Jerry has hired have never done anything else of note as coaches.

The evidence leads us to one of three possible conclusions:

1. Either Jerry does not want to hire a great HC.
2. Jerry does not know how to hire a great HC.
3. Great HCs are not interested.

Which of the above is it?

 

[maryquality]

Serious question: Who are the “up and coming” head coaches Jerry has hired besides Jimmy Johnson? Chan Gailey? Dave Campo? Wade? Garrett? Even if you consider all those guys up and comers, most never did anything successful again in the NFL.

Of that list only Chan Gailey ever got another NFL HC job again and it was nearly a decade later at Buffalo for 3 years. Campo never got another HC job at any level. Wade has always been a successful DC. But the only HC he’s been since he left Dallas was for the XFL. Garrett can’t get hired even at the college level.

Jerry has hired 8 HCs coaches in his time as owner and only 2 of them were great - Jimmy and Parcells were great NFL coaches. Switzer? Great college coach but not NFL despite his SB win. McCarthy is probably a good but not great HC. The other 5 HCs Jerry has hired have never done anything else of note as coaches.

The evidence leads us to one of three possible conclusions:

1. Either Jerry does not want to hire a great HC.
2. Jerry does not know how to hire a great HC.
3. Great HCs are not interested.

Which of the above is it?

4. All the above.

 

[Bobhaze]

4. All the above.

Mary I probably should have added a 5th option: Jerry doesn’t pay well. I was surprised to see that McCarthy is only the 16th highest paid HC in the NFL. He’s the 3rd highest paid in the NFC East! Garrett was always in the middle to lower half of coaches pay.

Jerry just doesn’t value paying coaches.

 

[charron]

Why would they come here?

It's not for the biggest $, not to win. Coaches come here when they are washed up, past their prime, or looking for their 1st HC spot before they have earned it. But let's be honest it really won't matter who they hire due the the superstar culture Jerry created. Winning isn't the goal here and coaches have little power to change this counterproductive culture.

 

[NDGAEDE]

Exactly right. This is why we will get a retread no one else wants (think Zimmer) or a young guy who is comfortable in the org (Moore).

Jerry will pick the staff.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BULLET!
If Red Jesus (Jason Garrett) was here for 10 years, MM has plenty of time remaining.

Garrett was a special case, though. Mike didn't carry Troy's clipboard, have his dad be an average scout for Jerry, or otherwise worm his way into the Jerry Family Portrait.

I just hope it isn't Kellen Moore. But it probably will be.

 

[Ranching]

Merely the fact that a coach would even consider coming to this crap hole is a massive red flag.

As big a red flag as a fan continuing to cheer for a crap hole team? Crap load of red flags around here!

 

[75boyz]

I hear ya Bob.
Its all hoping on luck at this stage for me.The ONLY possible saving grace I see is to luck into drafting an actual elite QB the same way we kinda lucked into drafting CeeDee and Micah.
That QB's elite talent level would need to not only carry a team having several holes but also the unique ability to win "in spite" of Jerry.

Head coaches who possess this same ability to win in spite of Jerry are the only ones that need apply for the job as well.

It's a sad but true reality as a drafted QB or hired HC to deal with at either of these 2 pivotal team positions.

This is Cowboys reality.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Many Cowboys fans are discussing some big names who could be our next head coach. I’ve done some of that dreaming too. But at this point unless the man in charge makes MAJOR changes in how he operates, there will be no new coach that can rescue this mess. Because the owner won’t allow it.

I wish I could believe there is a new and better head coach headed to Dallas for 2025. But I just can’t. As long as Jerry Jones is breathing he will never hire a head coach that would or could upstage him.

To support this belief, here are some key points that have seemed obvious to me for years:

• Jerry Jones does not think like a normal owner or GM who wants to win a championship so badly he’s willing to hire a great HC, pay him handsomely, and support that HC by backing off. He does not want to win bad enough to change. Period.
• Jerry hires HCs not based on who gives us the best chance to win a championship but who makes him feel comfortable. (Your honor I submit these names into evidence: Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, and Jason Garrett)
• The job of being HC of the Dallas Cowboys is not attractive to a HC who wants to do what normal HCs do in the NFL; like have control of the locker room, select his assistants, decide who starts, control the message to the press, etc.

I do not believe this job is attractive to any self respecting up and coming HC who is young and rising star (like Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn) because (a) Jerry doesn’t want to be upstaged ever again by a young star coach like Jimmy Johnson. (b)He will not change.

Our only hope rests in any of these things happening:

1. The Jones kids are tired of this 3 decade treadmill and want real changes. They pressure the old man to hire someone who can and will change this culture and force the old man to back off after the hire.
2. Jerry himself is tired of this cycle and decides to go after a coach that he will pay well, gives him freedom to run the team like a normal HC, and allows him to transform his culture.
3. Things stay exactly the same and we somehow just flat get lucky with whoever is hired.

Of these scenarios (all of which are unlikely) I hope scenario 1 could somehow, some way happen. Maybe Stephen, Charlotte and Jerry Jr have had enough of this wash, rinse repeat cycle of playoff irrelevance and put some pressure on Daddy to change.

My friends, without major change at the top, we cannot expect different results.

100% agreed that no great coach would come here because of Jerry Jones and Jerry doesn't care.

Jerry is about selling hope year to year..... so he may hire a new coach, young coach and call him up and coming...get arses in seats in year 1, then worry about year 2.
or a mid level coach, with some name who is not so expensive (there is coaches dead money you know!!!!!)..... and then be a mid level team. as long as we hover around 7-10 wins, Jerry can spin it...

any coach worth their dollars, is going to be expensive (outside of Jerry's comfort zone) and they want to win and need alignment with GM and owner and everyone knows they will not get that in Dallas. so no good coach who really wants to win is going to waste their time in dallas because they will not succeed.

this franchise is doomed as long as jerry jones is the GM..... first round of playoff losses is the norm. we get lucky once in a while win one playoff game...that's been the trend for 30 years....doesn't matter who the players have been.

 

[fivetwos]

I hear ya Bob.
Its all hoping on luck at this stage for me.The ONLY possible saving grace I see is to luck into drafting an actual elite QB the same way we kinda lucked into drafting CeeDee and Micah.
That QB's elite talent level would need to not only carry a team having several holes but also the unique ability to win "in spite" of Jerry.

Head coaches who possess this same ability to win in spite of Jerry are the only ones that need apply for the job as well.

It's a sad but true reality as a drafted QB or hired HC to deal with at either of these 2 pivotal team positions.

This is Cowboys reality.

The only thing that could possibly overcome the Jerry ego situation is a Mahomes-type QB, someone head and shoulders better than most.

That’ll never happen.

Once the kid takes over, I expect that they will still be cheap with free agency, but at least maybe whoever the HC is by then can actually control the locker room.

 

[JW82]

I keep hoping a big time coach would see this as an opportunity to show the world they are the ONE guy who is so good at coaching and leading men that HE could overcome the Jones-factor! But deep down I know that is pie in the sky.

 

[Aven8]

Garrett was a special case, though. Mike didn't carry Troy's clipboard, have his dad be an average scout for Jerry, or otherwise worm his way into the Jerry Family Portrait.

I just hope it isn't Kellen Moore. But it probably will be.

I’m thinking that’s the safe bet for sure if Mike leaves. I can see the presser now, he got away but we got him back!….