I would like us to lose to the Rams and the Eagles to beat the Cardinals by 30

[DallasEast]

Ok maybe not die. But you have to pick

Crap. Being a fan nowadays is not only exhausting. It can be terminal.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I think seeing talented teams losing back to back is seldom, I think after a loss teams tend to have a bit more urgency and more focus on details through out the week but it is about preparing through out the week getting themselves ready for game day

Talented teams rarely lose back-to-back games because they're talented: they're better than the teams they're playing. When a team is only losing 4 or 5 games in a season, it's hard to lose too many back-to-back.

That being said...
The Bengals lost back-to-back games twice last year.
The Rams lost three in a row last year.
Tampa Bay lost back-to-back games the year before. The Chiefs didn't, but they went 14-2, how were they going to?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Of course we want to win every week, but it wouldnt feel better to beat the eagles in their house? Yes 5-1 would be great but if we had to be 4-2 wouldnt you want that win over the eagles instead of the Rams?

Sure, but that has nothing to do with your original argument. Your argument was that losing to the Rams makes it more likely we beat the Eagles. That is the argument people are opposing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have seen this every year since 1988, players hearing all week in the media......"they have no shot of winning" and then coming out determined and ready

That can be true, I will say for this team beating the Rams would be a major confidence boost for them. Cowboys for too long have heard that win was nice but you can't beat top teams. I think that is a major hurdle for this team. I think there comes a point where you must prove to yourself that you can go out and play with anyone and beat them. When you fail you leave doubt in your mind. Coach Johnson a psychology major talked about this as well as how to get through to different player in different ways. Mental aspect of sports is very real

 

[Sydla]

You know why? Because I rather us go into the Linc on a nationally televised game to play a undefeated Eagles team who everyone would be picking to win. That would motivate the hell out of our defense after hearing all week about how great Jalen Hurts is and how they are hard to beat. So you combine that with coming off a loss to the Rams and being underdogs against a division rival, there is no way in hell they lose that game. Of course I would love for us to beat the Rams but if they lose and the eagles are still undefeated, I believe it sets up everything for the following week. I would prefer a win over a overhyped division rival instead of a NFC team out of the division to calm the eagles hype down,

If we beat the Rams and they lose to the Cards, they'd still be the faves the next week in Philly.

 

[Doomsday101]

Talented teams rarely lose back-to-back games because they're talented: they're better than the teams they're playing. When a team is only losing 4 or 5 games in a season, it's hard to lose too many back-to-back.

That being said...
The Bengals lost back-to-back games twice last year.
The Rams lost three in a row last year.
Tampa Bay lost back-to-back games the year before. The Chiefs didn't, but they went 14-2, how were they going to?

As I just mentioned Coach Johnson a psychology major used his skill to get through to a team, his put it in 3 inch letters we were going to be the 49ers served a purpose which was despite the nay sayers that this team was not ready Johnson made sure his team was fully confident in their ability to win. To think there is not mental aspect of the game when human beings are not robots but living and feeling beings.

 

[blueblood70]

You know why? Because I rather us go into the Linc on a nationally televised game to play a undefeated Eagles team who everyone would be picking to win. That would motivate the hell out of our defense after hearing all week about how great Jalen Hurts is and how they are hard to beat. So you combine that with coming off a loss to the Rams and being underdogs against a division rival, there is no way in hell they lose that game. Of course I would love for us to beat the Rams but if they lose and the eagles are still undefeated, I believe it sets up everything for the following week. I would prefer a win over a overhyped division rival instead of a NFC team out of the division to calm the eagles hype down,

no fan wants a loss at any time to anyone includes all late season tank talk..NONSENSE!!!!!!

I want the egales to LOse rams to lose all games all the time

 

[JD_KaPow]

As I just mentioned Coach Johnson a psychology major used his skill to get through to a team, his put it in 3 inch letters we were going to be the 49ers served a purpose which was despite the nay sayers that this team was not ready Johnson made sure his team was fully confident in their ability to win. To think there is not mental aspect of the game when human beings are not robots but living and feeling beings.

Of course there's a mental aspect to the game. Preparation, knowing your assignments, reading plays as they develop, that's all mental. But I think you're talking about an emotional aspect of the game. My argument is that we have no idea which way that goes or how much of an effect it has. I mean, people argue that Jimmy Johnson's guarantee motivated the Cowboys to victory. Here you're arguing that a guarantee motivates the other team to victory. People argue that teams are more motivated after a loss, and others argue that winning instills confidence which helps them. Which is it? Where's the evidence to support any of these positions?

And how much of an effect does the emotional stuff have compared to talent, scheme, preparation, matchups and execution? How many points are we talking about here, exactly?

I would argue that the emotional stuff is MUCH more significant at lower levels of the sport. But to make the NFL and stay in the NFL, you have to be extremely self-motivating and be able to get yourself up to perform at your peak for 17 games a year. I would argue that the difference in an NFL player's performance between a regular old game and a game where they're "extra-motivated" is small and we don't even know the direction of it: an "extra-motivated" guy is just as likely to overrun a play because he doesn't maintain discipline as he is to make a spectacular play. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I have yet to see evidence to make me reconsider.

 

[Creeper]

I don't care what the Rams do. And I don't think it matters what the Eagles do next week. The Eagles will be ready for Dallas and wanting to put the hurt on them in a big way. The Eagles will be looking to prove they are the best team in the NFC East and in the league. They may even remember the way Dallas used the starters to humiliate the Eagles practice squad players. If the Cowboys are not ready to meet the Eagles intensity with intensity of their own, the Eagles will run up the score.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Sure, but that has nothing to do with your original argument. Your argument was that losing to the Rams makes it more likely we beat the Eagles. That is the argument people are opposing.

I believe that because not only is it a division but its a undefeated divisional rival on national TV and I strongly believe the team will be ready

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

If we beat the Rams and they lose to the Cards, they'd still be the faves the next week in Philly.

I just think if the beat the Rams some would pick them to win. I want everyone to pick the eagles on sunday.

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course there's a mental aspect to the game. Preparation, knowing your assignments, reading plays as they develop, that's all mental. But I think you're talking about an emotional aspect of the game. My argument is that we have no idea which way that goes or how much of an effect it has. I mean, people argue that Jimmy Johnson's guarantee motivated the Cowboys to victory. Here you're arguing that a guarantee motivates the other team to victory. People argue that teams are more motivated after a loss, and others argue that winning instills confidence which helps them. Which is it? Where's the evidence to support any of these positions?

And how much of an effect does the emotional stuff have compared to talent, scheme, preparation, matchups and execution? How many points are we talking about here, exactly?

I would argue that the emotional stuff is MUCH more significant at lower levels of the sport. But to make the NFL and stay in the NFL, you have to be extremely self-motivating and be able to get yourself up to perform at your peak for 17 games a year. I would argue that the difference in an NFL player's performance between a regular old game and a game where they're "extra-motivated" is small and we don't even know the direction of it: an "extra-motivated" guy is just as likely to overrun a play because he doesn't maintain discipline as he is to make a spectacular play. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I have yet to see evidence to make me reconsider.

which is it? I think a lot depends on the team. Dallas has shown they can win but there is a lot of talk Cowboys can't beat top teams. Until they do there will always be some doubt in their minds. I don't disagree it comes down in the end to preparation and execution, things like bulletin board material means nothing when the game kicks off but it can serve a purpose through out the week.

I will say for this team going out and beating the Rams would be a major confidence builder to prove to themselves they can go out and beat top teams, that the things coaches are doing is working.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I believe that because not only is it a division but its a undefeated divisional rival on national TV and I strongly believe the team will be ready

If they win next week, those things will be true regardless of whether we beat the Rams or not. So why do you think losing to the Rams will make us more likely to win?

Let me put it this way.
If we beat the Rams, or if the Eagles lose this week, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival for the division lead.
If we lose to the Rams and the Eagles win, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival, but we'll still be behind them no matter the outcome.

Wouldn't playing the Eagles for the division lead be super-motivating?

 

[JD_KaPow]

which is it? I think a lot depends on the team. Dallas has shown they can win but there is a lot of talk Cowboys can't beat top teams. Until they do there will always be some doubt in their minds. I don't disagree it comes down in the end to preparation and execution, things like bulletin board material means nothing when the game kicks off but it can serve a purpose through out the week.

I will say for this team going out and beating the Rams would be a major confidence builder to prove to themselves they can go out and beat top teams, that the things coaches are doing is working.

Okay, but you see my problem. The (stupid) premise of this thread was that LOSING to the Rams would be a major motivator for us. People can't even agree on the direction of the effect, much less the amount.

 

[Doomsday101]

Okay, but you see my problem. The (stupid) premise of this thread was that LOSING to the Rams would be a major motivator for us. People can't even agree on the direction of the effect, much less the amount.

I think a lot depends on the mental state of the team. I don't think losing is a good thing but it happens. For this team I think who they play and who they beat means a lot. I think it is a mental hurdle that this team has to overcome. To go out and play to win not playing not to lose. Cowboys tend to come out tight and trying to avoid mistakes and normally trying not to make mistakes is when you make mistakes. I don't agree that losing this week will make it more likely we win the next week. I do however feel this team needs a big win over a top opponent just to prove to themselves we are good enough to go out and beat top teams.

 

[Sydla]

I just think if the beat the Rams some would pick them to win. I want everyone to pick the eagles on sunday.

If they beat the Rams, most would still pick Philly. It's a road game, at night, in a tough place and Dak may be making his first start.

I'd be stunned to see very many, if any, picking us evn if we were to beat the Rams. Shoot, there were experts picking the Commanders this week, like some over at CBS Sports.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

If they win next week, those things will be true regardless of whether we beat the Rams or not. So why do you think losing to the Rams will make us more likely to win?

Let me put it this way.
If we beat the Rams, or if the Eagles lose this week, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival for the division lead.
If we lose to the Rams and the Eagles win, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival, but we'll still be behind them no matter the outcome.

Wouldn't playing the Eagles for the division lead be super-motivating?

More motivated after a loss

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

If they win next week, those things will be true regardless of whether we beat the Rams or not. So why do you think losing to the Rams will make us more likely to win?

Let me put it this way.
If we beat the Rams, or if the Eagles lose this week, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival for the division lead.
If we lose to the Rams and the Eagles win, we go into Philly to play our hated divisional rival, but we'll still be behind them no matter the outcome.

Wouldn't playing the Eagles for the division lead be super-motivating?

I just want to be underdogs all across the board on every single network and I think that may not be possible if they are on a 4 game winning streak. Now we are due for a loss and if it has to happen I prefer it to be next week and not the following week

 

[JD_KaPow]

I just want to be underdogs all across the board on every single network and I think that may not be possible if they are on a 4 game winning streak. Now we are due for a loss and if it has to happen I prefer it to be next week and not the following week

So if one guy on one network picks us to beat the Eagles, how exactly does that make us less likely to beat the Eagles?

 

[StarOfGlory]

Eagles injuries piling up. I smell an upset vs. the Cards (Yeah, I said Jax would upset them too...I can't be right all the time).

We shock our own fan base by upsetting the Rams. Showdown game vs. Eagles for first place in the East and maybe best record in the NFL.