If Aikman were the QB

[Dre11]

The "rings angle" is how QBs are measured. Thats just the way it works in football. Winning matters. The HOF matters. You've got nothing but vague recollections and some very unpopular opinions to build your case.

I was a romo fan but in no way was he a better QB than Troy. You must have been a child in the 90's to have such an opinion.

First off I'm 46 years, I know the 90's Cowboys. As I said many times before, just because someone says something doesn't make it right, anybody with their own ability to think, knows there's more to it than just rings and the fing aspect is flawed. Will anybody ever say Aikman was better than Marino? Marino has no rings. Would anybody ever say Jim Kelly wasn't one of the best to play qb? Warren Moon? Also, anybody with any grain of intelligence would say Aikman had 10x better team around him, and some will tell you he took a backseat to Emmitt and that OLine and they'd have a pretty good argument. I wouldn't say Romo is better, but don't disregard the opinion of someone who may feel that way because in Romo case, it was mainly him who carried his teams.

 

[Dre11]

Unlike Dre, you are not a dumb guy, but you have some really dumb opinions on some of the best players that ever worn cowboy uniforms.

Coming from someone who doesn't have a brain that can think on it's own, but follow the dumbest measurement of an "individual's" success in a team sport...lol

 

[Verdict]

I don't believe that. I believe that Tom Brady is the best QB I've seen play, in this era of football.

You may think that this is lazy but I've seen them both and I just think Brady is better.

I agree with that.

 

[Verdict]

First off I'm 46 years, I know the 90's Cowboys. As I said many times before, just because someone says something doesn't make it right, anybody with their own ability to think, knows there's more to it than just rings and the fing aspect is flawed. Will anybody ever say Aikman was better than Marino? Marino has no rings. Would anybody ever say Jim Kelly wasn't one of the best to play qb? Warren Moon? Also, anybody with any grain of intelligence would say Aikman had 10x better team around him, and some will tell you he took a backseat to Emmitt and that OLine and they'd have a pretty good argument. I wouldn't say Romo is better, but don't disregard the opinion of someone who may feel that way because in Romo case, it was mainly him who carried his teams.

The ring argument is absolutely ********.

 

[CATCH17]

First off I'm 46 years, I know the 90's Cowboys. As I said many times before, just because someone says something doesn't make it right, anybody with their own ability to think, knows there's more to it than just rings and the fing aspect is flawed. Will anybody ever say Aikman was better than Marino? Marino has no rings. Would anybody ever say Jim Kelly wasn't one of the best to play qb? Warren Moon? Also, anybody with any grain of intelligence would say Aikman had 10x better team around him, and some will tell you he took a backseat to Emmitt and that OLine and they'd have a pretty good argument. I wouldn't say Romo is better, but don't disregard the opinion of someone who may feel that way because in Romo case, it was mainly him who carried his teams.

How can you be so right about this topic and so wrong about Jason Garrett.

 

[Dre11]

How can you be so right about this topic and so wrong about Jason Garrett.

Lol...who says I'm wrong about Garrett? Because I'm not as down on him as some of you? Because I recognize some of the challenges he's faced? He's shown he can coach the team up last season, and in 2014 and somewhat last seaso(when Zeke was suspended, we could've easy been 5-11 last season, so I have no reason to think he can't coach.

 

[RoboQB]

Why? Tell him that. So not doing your job you should get a pat on the back? Good thing these guys dont play for Bill or Mike Ditka then.

My post was in response to videos of Aikman screaming at lineman up and down the sidelines.
I quoted one with Aikman saying "That's bush league!". Did you not know that? How did you not know that? What did you think the quotes were for?
Smh

 

[cern]

aikman had a superior head coach coaching his team. if romo had played for jimmy, he'd have a ring or three himself. brady has a superior coach. staubach had a superior coach. teams with little more than journeymen qb's have won the big dance because of superior coaches. (skins and bucs) garrett is not a very good coach. fait accompli.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

My post was in response to videos of Aikman screaming at lineman up and down the sidelines.
I quoted one with Aikman saying "That's bush league!". Did you not know that? How did you not know that? What did you think the quotes were for?
Smh

I know, I was piggy back off of you. I was responding to the person that said that about "bush league". I agree blow there a--'- up when not doing there job.

 

[RoboQB]

Ummmmm, joke right?

Troy Aikman was a 6'5" Ripped Athletic 1st pick in the draft stud with a rocket .Troy Aikman in his prime was a bigger tougher Aaron Rodgers.

Troy won three superbowl championships in 5 years, beat the niners on the road in an nfc championship game. Was the highest rated post season passer in nfl history at the time he retired. And he did this at a time when they let qb's get hammerred! Romo wouldnt have lasted through one season in that NFL.Troy was awesome, a champion and a winner!

Romo is a chubby, short unathletic overachiever who played maybe 10 great games in 10 years! He was a choker and a loser who played like trash and threw game ending picks in almost every single big or meaningful game. His stats are a product of throwing alot trying to come back from behind after his turnovers.

Tony Romo never won anyrhing!

he was the biggest reason the last decade or so has been a complete waste of time! Hes like a jake dellome at best but who never won

Aikman = (3 x champ, winner, hof!)
Romo = (didnt even win 3 playoff games
Loser! Choker! Pudgy golfer)

Aikman is 6'-4", not 6'-5". He won 3 SB titles in 4 years, not 5. C'mon man, it's like you're not even trying... lol

 

[Dre11]

I know, I was piggy back off of you. I was responding to the person that said that about "bush league". I agree blow there a--'- up when not doing there job.

And that proves nothing. Yelling at a teammate doesn't always have a positive affect. In fact, players on Jimmy's team were growing tired of him.


Nino: Things changed with Barry Switzer. Jay Novacek said the team needed that change because Jimmy Johnson was wearing thin. But that wasn’t the best thing in terms of long-term success, was it? Would Jimmy Johnson have won with that group of players, or would he have made changes in order to keep his team hungry

This is from the book Boys will be Boys by Jeff Pearlman

 

[Corso]

Aikman is 6'-4", not 6'-5". He won 3 SB titles in 4 years, not 5. C'mon man, it's like you're not even trying... lol

I chuckled... I chuckled hard.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

And that proves nothing. Yelling at a teammate doesn't always have a positive affect. In fact, players on Jimmy's team were growing tired of him.


Nino: Things changed with Barry Switzer. Jay Novacek said the team needed that change because Jimmy Johnson was wearing thin. But that wasn’t the best thing in terms of long-term success, was it? Would Jimmy Johnson have won with that group of players, or would he have made changes in order to keep his team hungry

This is from the book Boys will be Boys by Jeff Pearlman

But if you have someone that is not putting out or loafing, blow them up or have them go play flag football. Barry won that SB and then the team went haywire and Troy was not please with him either. So his way was not the way either. Some players play better, I know I enjoyed getting fused at, that meant I let my teammates down and would not do it again, and my game was out of this world after getting jumped on by my high school coach.

 

[Gator88]

I actually think it's a very good way to measure, myself. Today, everything is driven by Offense. Statistics today dwarf the numbers of QBs from the past. I mean, we all understand this, but Championships are a measure of competition at the time each and every QB was playing. Things that are not reflected in the stat sheet are facilitated by Championships, IMO. As example, lets take Troy Aikman and Dan Marino. You would be hard pressed to find a pure passer that was better then Dan Marino. The guy, as a passer, had it all. Enough arm to make any throw, accurate on the deep ball, lightning quick release, he was really fun to watch play. Troy had more arm and he was more accurate in throwing to a spot, with a lot of velocity but other then that, I'd have to say that Marino was more talented the Troy. However, the intangibles were all Troy, IMO, and that doesn't show up anywhere except Championships. Troy wanted to win more IMO. Troy would not settle for a good game, with his performance or his teammates, for that matter. Troy drove the team. He was the guy who made them go that extra mile. Troy was an unbelievably gifted passer, in his own right. Troy could have played in a lot of schemes and thrown for a lot of yards. He could have put up huge stats, had he wanted to. He could have demanded the ball and seriously diminished the role of Emmitt, had he wanted to. Believe me when I say that if Troy would have made any demand in personnel, he would have gotten it. Troy could have killed the running game and demanded a bigger role in the offense. If he had wanted to post the kinds of Stats that other QBs did, he easily could have done that, but then, the team would not have been as successful. Marino did exactly this and that is why he never won a championship.

That is why I do believe that Championships are the best indicator. There are so many parts of the game that are effected by how the QB plays. Things that never show up in the stat lines. How you manage the game effects the Defense as well but that's not ever going to show up. But without that management and that Defense, you don't win championships.

JMO

It's a terrible measure of a single player unless you believe that the other 21 starters + special teams and the coach are just window dressing.

 

[TwoDeep3]

First off I'm 46 years, I know the 90's Cowboys. As I said many times before, just because someone says something doesn't make it right, anybody with their own ability to think, knows there's more to it than just rings and the fing aspect is flawed. Will anybody ever say Aikman was better than Marino? Marino has no rings. Would anybody ever say Jim Kelly wasn't one of the best to play qb? Warren Moon? Also, anybody with any grain of intelligence would say Aikman had 10x better team around him, and some will tell you he took a backseat to Emmitt and that OLine and they'd have a pretty good argument. I wouldn't say Romo is better, but don't disregard the opinion of someone who may feel that way because in Romo case, it was mainly him who carried his teams.

The carried the team aspect is where I disagree. Romo had two teams that could have done something but they didn't in the play-offs. This is a quarterback game, and while he saw some mistakes by his teammates in the Giant game, he still could have won that. But didn't. The Green Bay game is the same, except Romo stunk the first half. Rodgers was off and if Romo had been on that day he should have posted a bunch of points on Green Bay. But didn't.

While there is a 2004 page argument over "The Catch/No Catch, they needed a yard and needed to run time off.

Maybe what we all missed was the ball should never have been thrown.

 

[Gator88]

The carried the team aspect is where I disagree. Romo had two teams that could have done something but they didn't in the play-offs. This is a quarterback game, and while he saw some mistakes by his teammates in the Giant game, he still could have won that. But didn't. The Green Bay game is the same, except Romo stunk the first half. Rodgers was off and if Romo had been on that day he should have posted a bunch of points on Green Bay. But didn't.

While there is a 2004 page argument over "The Catch/No Catch, they needed a yard and needed to run time off.

Maybe what we all missed was the ball should never have been thrown.

Are you mixing up the 2014 GB game and the 2016 game? Because Romo didn't stink in the first half of the 2014 game.

 

[Corso]

It's a terrible measure of a single player unless you believe that the other 21 starters + special teams and the coach are just window dressing.

Let's be honest, how can any single player be truly measured. Especially QB. We can see talent, and we can see flaws and imagine perfect situations and such...
But reality is what it is.

For reasons out of his control and in his control- Tony didn't get us even close to anywhere.
Sometime it wasn't his fault, sometimes it was.

And here we are.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Are you mixing up the 2014 GB game and the 2016 game? Because Romo didn't stink in the first half of the 2014 game.

This, in 14 we just couldn't stop pegged leg state farm man. Even with a catch and score still would have left over a minute and no way we keep them from getting into FG range, with the way he was moving up and down the field on one leg.

 

[Aviano90]

Romo dinked and dunked his way to a high QB rating against GB in 2014, and as usual in the do or die games, the offense struggled putting points on the board. That offense should have easily put up over 30 points on the board but left points on the field leaving the defense to shoulder most of the blame.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Romo dinked and dunked his way to a high QB rating against GB in 2014, and as usual in the do or die games, the offense struggled putting points on the board. That offense should have easily put up over 30 points on the board but left points on the field leaving the defense to shoulder most of the blame.

Agree, big A are you in NC also?