If Chris Canty was smart... he would accept a Jay Ratliff type deal

[speedkilz88]

If Ellis can make the switch to LB, I think a much younger Canty can transition to a 4-3 rushing end. He's a little heavy for a 4-3 end right now, so he'll probably need to shed about 15lbs (which shouldn't be a problem for him).

But Ellis was always a good pass rusher, Canty hasn't shown that ability which is a must at end in a 4-3. He probably would have to go inside in a 4-3 or possibly be a strong side end but I doubt any 4-3 teams throw a lot of money at him to play end. Now 3-4 teams on the other hand might.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Spears is Mr. Popular all of a sudden eh? Nice.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But Ellis was always a good pass rusher, Canty hasn't shown that ability which is a must at end in a 4-3. He probably would have to go inside in a 4-3 or possibly be a strong side end but I doubt any 4-3 teams throw a lot of money at him to play end. Now 3-4 teams on the other hand might.

I bet Parcells would.

And as to why Canty wouldn't take a Ratliff deal... Because he doesn't have to. He's been better than Ratliff -- and even more than that, Ratliff signed a below-market value deal. So I don't blame him for wanting more than what Jay got.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Spears is Mr. Popular all of a sudden eh? Nice.

If anyone has gotten undue messageboard love, it would be Canty. He averages 2 sacks a year, literally playing right next to Ware, and people act like he's irreplaceable.

Spears led the team in tackles for loss last year, which has the same effect as a sack. On a per snap basis he makes more plays behind the line of scrimmage than Canty. Spears excels in one area and is mediocre in one. Canty is mediocre to slightly above mediore in both areas. Add in the fact that Spears has more versatility, can play two positions and probably has more ceiling ... I don't see any reason to break the bank for Canty, whatsoever.

 

[aikemirv]

I bet Parcells would.

And as to why Canty wouldn't take a Ratliff deal... Because he doesn't have to. He's been better than Ratliff -- and even more than that, Ratliff signed a below-market value deal. So I don't blame him for wanting more than what Jay got.

Canty is not better than Ratliff at all!

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. Not only has Ratliff been a force he can also play both NT and DE.

 

[khiladi]

I bet Parcells would.

And as to why Canty wouldn't take a Ratliff deal... Because he doesn't have to. He's been better than Ratliff -- and even more than that, Ratliff signed a below-market value deal. So I don't blame him for wanting more than what Jay got.

Huh? Are you sure?

 

[TNCowboy]

Dude come on. Seriously. You nailed it yourself when you said the season is still young. But come on. After one game?

I'm talking the pre-season and TC as well.

Spears and Johnson appear noticably better. Thusfar, Canty does not.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Canty is not better than Ratliff at all!

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. Not only has Ratliff been a force he can also play both NT and DE.

Then why has Canty started so many more games than Jay?

I love Jay... Have to love his intensity and his versatility. But let's face it, he only started last year because Fergy got hurt. Before that, he was a pass-rush specialist and backup DE.

And I wasn't even a "Canty guy" at first. I thought Spears would be far better. But I was wrong -- Canty has been a very good player for us. And he's a great locker room guy and a leader, too.

Just saying... If you were an agent presenting a resume to a GM looking for a contract, Canty's right now looks tons better than Ratliff's last year when he got his extension.

 

[TNCowboy]

Spears is Mr. Popular all of a sudden eh? Nice.

Making plays will cause that to happen.

 

[Duane]

Please name one player that Jerry has wanted to keep that was ever "too expensive' for him.

Maybe Ken Norton way back.

 

[peck-sicilyisland]

Wait untill game 5 then start this b.s..Right now beat the Eagles.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Then why has Canty started so many more games than Jay?

Because he was handed a starting job right away as a rookie without any competition because there was no one at his position. Meanwhile Jay played behind Jason Ferguson.

Weren't you chastising me for saying we were stupid to give away Akin Ayodele away for nothing because he had been a 5 year starter in the league and was worth more than what we settled for? You claimed being a starter means nothing. Now it means something?

 

[Rack]

Please name one player that Jerry has wanted to keep that was ever "too expensive' for him.

Ken Norton Jr. and Randall Godfrey, but that was way back in the day when he used to not pay his linebackers.

 

[TNCowboy]

Maybe Ken Norton way back.

And Mark Stepnoski.

 

[aikemirv]

Then why has Canty started so many more games than Jay?

I love Jay... Have to love his intensity and his versatility. But let's face it, he only started last year because Fergy got hurt. Before that, he was a pass-rush specialist and backup DE.

And I wasn't even a "Canty guy" at first. I thought Spears would be far better. But I was wrong -- Canty has been a very good player for us. And he's a great locker room guy and a leader, too.

Just saying... If you were an agent presenting a resume to a GM looking for a contract, Canty's right now looks tons better than Ratliff's last year when he got his extension.

Yeah and I betcha that if a 3-4 GM had to choose between the 2 to play DE, Ratliff would easily get the nod. You could line Ratliff up anywhere on the line be it 3-4 or 4-3 and he would get the job done and as a DE in the 3-4 he would also get pressure on the QB.

I like Canty, but he is a guy you line up and take him on 1-1. Ratliff - you better have a little help.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Because he was handed a starting job right away as a rookie without any competition because there was no one at his position. Meanwhile Jay played behind Jason Ferguson.

He was "handed" it by Bill Parcells, who always said he didn't care where a guy was drafted once he was on the team... Right?

Weren't you chastising me for saying we were stupid to give away Akin Ayodele away for nothing because he had been a 5 year starter in the league and was worth more than what we settled for? You claimed being a starter means nothing. Now it means something?

Just because I disagreed with you doesn't mean I was "chastising" you.

But yes, I do think starting doesn't necessarily mean much. Plenty of JAGs are starting across the league because the team has no better option.

But when two guys play the same position and one is chosen to start while the other is chosen to be a backup and sub package player... It probably means something.

I can see that this is going to get twisted into me not liking Ratliff or thinking he's not a good player, and that's not the case. I love what Ratliff does for us. But Canty has certainly had a better career. Frankly, I think Canty has gotten overlooked because he's been so solid -- unlike Spears -- that we forget about him.

 

[Va_BoysFan4 Life]

First, can someone please tell me when a contract was placed on the table for Canty. Second, it amazes me how every year people find one player (not to mention after one game this season) that they want to get rid of and either replace them with someone on the roster or draft to replace. Last year people on this board and many others want Spears head even after his position had been define as a RUN stopper and not so much as a sack master. I guess it's Canty's turn now. Who's next Anthony Henry. As far as I can tell with 114yds passing and 91 yds rushing (if I'm correct on those figures) in the first game, I think they all did the job they were paid for. I guess if Ware doesn't get high double digit sacks then I guess he don't deserve his potential large contract. Come on, let's get deeper in the season before we start replacing people. Just my 2 cents.

 

[InmanRoshi]

He was "handed" it by Bill Parcells, who always said he didn't care where a guy was drafted once he was on the team... Right?

Who was Canty's competition for the spot again?

 

[InmanRoshi]

First, can someone please tell me when a contract was placed on the table for Canty. Second, it amazes me how every year people find one player (not to mention after one game this season) that they want to get rid of and either replace them with someone on the roster or draft to replace. Last year people on this board and many others want Spears head even after his position had been define as a RUN stopper and not so much as a sack master. I guess it's Canty's turn now. Who's next Anthony Henry. As far as I can tell with 114yds passing and 91 yds rushing (if I'm correct on those figures) in the first game, I think they all did the job they were paid for. I guess if Ware doesn't get high double digit sacks then I guess he don't deserve his potential large contract. Come on, let's get deeper in the season before we start replacing people. Just my 2 cents.

Actually, it's been pretty amazing how Canty has gotten by unscathed on this board for rather mediocre (or below mediocre ) production for three years, when other guys like Spears and Bradie James have gotten their brains kicked in.

And if it comes down to the matter of giving Canty a big contract at the expense of letting another player walk ... absolutely he should have his production questioned. No one is making the case that he's dog scum. The argument is that he's a a solid, if unspectacular, starter who probably wants to get paid substantially more than he's produced.

 

[Duane]

Actually, it's been pretty amazing how Canty has gotten by unscathed on this board for rather mediocre (or below mediocre production) for three years, when other guys like Spears and Bradie James have gotten their brains kicked in.

And if it comes down to the matter of giving Canty a big contract at the expense of letting another player walk ... absolutely he should have his production questioned.

Canty was a 4th round pick and Spears was taken in the 1st round so that's why Canty hasn't caught as much heat there. As far and James getting more criticism, it's because he plays a more visible role on the defense than Canty does. Lets face it, people don't expect to see a lot of big plays from a 3-4 DE (unless he's taken in the 1st round). However when James looks bad in pass coverage or whiffs on a tackle it's there for everyone to see.