If Chris Canty was smart... he would accept a Jay Ratliff type deal

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Well Canty played well in the playoff game last year. I judge players on how they play when needed the most. He had a sack and a pass breakup on a big 3rd down.

*waits for the it was just one game comeback*

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Maybe Ken Norton way back.

Not really. To this point (and it obviously won't be the case with Ware) Jones has had a history of not paying big money to keep linebackers.

If he'd really wanted Norton he'd have kept him.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Canty was a 4th round pick and Spears was taken in the 1st round so that's why Canty hasn't caught as much heat there. As far and James getting more criticism, it's because he plays a more visible role on the defense than Canty does. Lets face it, people don't expect to see a lot of big plays from a 3-4 DE (unless he's taken in the 1st round). However when James looks bad in pass coverage or whiffs on a tackle it's there for everyone to see.

That's fine, but now Canty is asking for a new big contract, so his days of flying under the radar with low expectations and teflon underwear are over.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Who was Canty's competition for the spot again?

The other DEs on the team, including Jay Ratliff?

And I know Ratliff is a lot better suited for this D than he was for Parcells'. But Spears has been inconsistent at best, and Tank is one DWI from being suspended again, so I'd be reluctant to totally count on them. Canty has been the one productive and consistently reliable DE on the team the three years he's been here, and to me that's worth something.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Canty has been the one productive and consistently reliable DE on the team the three years he's been here, and to me that's worth something.

Ratliff played LDE as a rookie, and then he moved behind Fergie. I don't even remember who played RDE for the Cowboys his rookie year. Also, Canty had huge head start as a rookie having played under the same defense under Al Groh in college, already well versed in the system and the techniques. Not only did Ratliff have no familiarity with the 3-4, he played tight end for much of his college career.

And I say you have some low standards for "productive".

 

[aikemirv]

He was "handed" it by Bill Parcells, who always said he didn't care where a guy was drafted once he was on the team... Right?



Just because I disagreed with you doesn't mean I was "chastising" you.

But yes, I do think starting doesn't necessarily mean much. Plenty of JAGs are starting across the league because the team has no better option.

But when two guys play the same position and one is chosen to start while the other is chosen to be a backup and sub package player... It probably means something.

I can see that this is going to get twisted into me not liking Ratliff or thinking he's not a good player, and that's not the case. I love what Ratliff does for us. But Canty has certainly had a better career. Frankly, I think Canty has gotten overlooked because he's been so solid -- unlike Spears -- that we forget about him.

I will give you the simple reason that Canty started at DE and Ratliff came in in packages.

Becasue Ratliff can rush the passer and play more than 1 position.

 

[Va_BoysFan4 Life]

Actually, it's been pretty amazing how Canty has gotten by unscathed on this board for rather mediocre (or below mediocre ) production for three years, when other guys like Spears and Bradie James have gotten their brains kicked in.

And if it comes down to the matter of giving Canty a big contract at the expense of letting another player walk ... absolutely he should have his production questioned. No one is making the case that he's dog scum. The argument is that he's a a solid, if unspectacular, starter who probably wants to get paid substantially more than he's produced.

Your point is well made, however, as we saw last year his productivity increased and he was one of the fans favorite. What I am saying is that in Sunday's game his opponent may have done an excellent job of blocking on him. That does not cause for panic. True, he nor Spears are spectacular special players, but they are solid at what they do and that is what we need form them. As stated before, our playmakers are the LB's and DB's. I guess my question is where did it come from that he is not signing just to try to break the bank. He was the first to sign his tender, have not sat out of any voluntary or mandatory training this summer and last, has been nothing more than true professional. Is it possible we could be jumping the gun on what he possibly may be looking to be paid.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Your point is well made, however, as we saw last year his productivity increased and he was one of the fans favorite.

If his productivity increased, it was marginal at best.

His rookie year ... 35 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF
Last year ... 43 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 FF.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I bet Parcells would.

And as to why Canty wouldn't take a Ratliff deal... Because he doesn't have to. He's been better than Ratliff -- and even more than that, Ratliff signed a below-market value deal. So I don't blame him for wanting more than what Jay got.

you cannot be serious.....Jay is out BEST DL...and our most versatile...and is productive WHEREVER we play him

 

[Va_BoysFan4 Life]

If his productivity increased, it was marginal at best.

His rookie year ... 35 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF
Last year ... 43 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 FF.

OK, and what you are showing here is an increase in stats each year. So are we thinkin the trend will turn the other way? And, I guess you are telling me that these numbers are substandard for a 3-4 DE that is focused on clogging space and all taken on blockers so that your LB's ( one with more than 100 tckls and another with mid 90's) can be the playmakers they are suppose to be.

Like I said before, your points are valid. But is still comes down to what is consider a fair contract for what he does to enhance the team. Trust me, if JJ thinks it's outrageous, he will not hesitate to look elsewhere.

 

[TNCowboy]

Canty has a lot of potential. He's bigger and more athletic than Ratliff.

But when it comes to a mega-contract, you can't just pay him on potential. He has to get it done on the field, and he hasn't. Yet.

If he continues on at the solid pace that he's played the last few years, and expects to be paid more like Tommy Kelly than Jay Ratliff, they have to let him go.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Canty has a lot of potential. He's bigger and more athletic than Ratliff.

But when it comes to a mega-contract, you can't just pay him on potential. He has to get it done on the field, and he hasn't. Yet.

If he continues on at the solid pace that he's played the last few years, and expects to be paid more like Tommy Kelly than Jay Ratliff, they have to let him go.

he is not more athletic than Ratliff...in fact, his lack of athleticism is the reason he will never be a CONSISTENT BIG TIME PLAYMAKER