If Dak hits open market this year, does anyone think he would get 40m+ per year?

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  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Regular Joe....

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    I think that this is what is happening and I think the situations with Wentz and Goff are signs of that market readjustment. I mean, it's only a matter of time because this idea of Market Rate is unsustainable. It can not last. The entire thing, "Market Value" is stupidity, to be honest. The majority of people who use this are completely ignorant of what the term actually means. OMV is actually a term that fluctuates, based on several factors. It doesn't just go up. It goes up or down or sometimes it's flat, based on the product. It's not just supply and demand. As example, Fresh Oysters in the middle of the Desert. I mean, the fact that they are rare is going to drive up the price, of course, and the larger the and Fresher, the more they will cost. But if the Oysters being sold are of lessor quality, they will fetch less and if they are bad, they are worthless. That's the Market. Those same high quality Oysters along the coast somewhere, much cheaper. That's the Market.

    When the Market becomes such that it threatens the entire industry, you see a Market Adjustment. I think this is what we are starting to see right now. Agents and the Union, of course, do not want this, they want this to continue to escalate, which is really madness, IMO, because if you are Agents, you have to know that there is a beaking point to all of this and eventually, it will all go bad. If you are the Union, you know that it doesn't matter at all, because the CBA mandates how much is spent with players. There are mins and max that dictate what teams pay out and a certain percentage must be paid out to the players. So the money is the money. It doesn't matter who the players are, they can be any position but the players get paid their money, no matter what so the Union really should not care one way or the other about this.

    I believe this is a select few of very powerful agents or agencies, along with media who are creating this entire narrative. But the gig is about up IMO. QBs are just not going to get paid record deals every time an average or above average QB is next up. Truly great players deserve superior contracts because they are different guys. But outside of those special players, it's just bad business. The Owners are resetting this IMO, I agree.

    However, fans and lots of talking heads, Market Value is used as another term for perpetual increase in Salaries. They basically use it as a substitute for Inflation. It's kind of crazy really.
     
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  2. khiladi

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    Excellent post bro...
     
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  3. fairviewfarmer

    fairviewfarmer Well-Known Member

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    Yes some team would pay him 40 mil/season. All it takes is one team that hopes to prove Jerry wrong for not signing him. Some of these billionaire owners are just like 3 year olds playing in a sand box. Each one wants what the other 3 year old has.
     
  4. khiladi

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    That’s one of the counters when they said guys like Lebron and Bosh originally took a ‘pay-cut’ to play in Miami with Wade.

    https://taxfoundation.org/state-jock-taxes-lebron-better-miami/
     
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  5. Sandyf

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    Would have to agree but when other teams do not follow then it goes back to market value. Cleveland and Baltimore are "rumored" to already extended offers to Mayfield and Jackson. Both rumors have stated an avg per year of $35 million+ which essentially means they both will end up getting around $40 million avg when all said and done. If Dallas does franchise Dak, then next year we will be moan things again when the number starts at $45 million avg. Players and agents know the cap is set to explode and it is going to be difficult to get them cheaper. As fans we would have been mad if Dak would have gotten a contract two years ago at what Goff or Wentz got then because it was to much, now well it would have been a hell of a bargin. It is what it is regardless of how we see it. Just be thankful it isn't baseball where a team, I believe San Diego, just paid a guy a guarantee $250 million for some 5 years where once he plays one game they owe him all the money regardless of anything and he is only one of some hundred plus players in basketball and baseball like contracts.
     
  6. slick325

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    Yes...he would get that $40M per from some NFL team owner.
     
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  7. basel90

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    no good GM will give him more than35 mil . But am sure there are naive ones out there. Heck . cowboys paid zeke crazy money.
     
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  8. ABQCOWBOY

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    Eeehhhh....... once every 6 years or so.

    :laugh:
     
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  9. BlueStar22

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    When is the market going to reset though when the TV money keeps getting insane and the cap goes up every year. Look at NBA Contracts. The average player can get 15M per year. It's be cause the league keeps going and the tv deals are so much money. Yes, Dak would get 40 on the open market. Easily...Quickly.
     
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  10. Typhus

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    I would throw a party of monumental proportions, hire a chef, karaoke, open bar,,, that would be epic.
     
  11. Typhus

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    I will shoot you a text as well
     
  12. Typhus

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    I am thinking about pizza.
     
  13. ABQCOWBOY

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    You sure about that? I would not have been very happy about it because it was too much. That contract, two years ago would have effected every signing going forward, every move and for what? An 8-8 season and another where he's on the shelf after 5 games. How in the world could anybody be happy with that? In a situation where you know the cap is going down, probably for multiple years, large salaries are going to be a noose around a lot of clubs necks. So if you look at this, had we signed that deal in early 2018, it likely would have been a 4 year deal. So two already in the books with two more to go. Now, I'm pretty sure that we are not going to see a lot of moves by the club this year. So basically, we would have two more years left with essentially the same team we have right now. That team, with Dak healthy, went 8-8. Without him, well, you watch last season. So what does that leave, two more years of so, so Football before we are back at the table for an even larger contract. If this were Baseball, I wouldn't give to craps because they don't have a hard cap. See, this is why the idea that fans are this or that because they take issue with NFL teams signing this guy or that guy for too much money, is a load of donkey crap. I don't care about Baseball Salaries or Football Salaries because teams can, and do, get around it if they really want to. No hard cap. In Football, it's not like that so fans care. 35 would have been a mistake two years ago IMO, but more then that, Dak and France weren't signing for 35 AAV over 7 or 5 two years ago, anymore then they want to today. They were never signing early at all, unless the team was willing to do it for a short term deal that allowed Dak to get back to the table to soak the team again. The idea that Dak and France were signing early, long term, is fantasy and so is believing that a deal like that, if done by the team, might have created good will is equally unrealistic. This was always going to be this situation because Dak and France always wanted to get to FA. That's just the truth of it.
     
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  14. ABQCOWBOY

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    It's happening right now. See, this is the thing Fans don't seem to get. The TV deals increasing, which BTW, has not happened yet, is all about a number that nobody knows yet. You have people talking about increases of ridiculous amounts but that's not a for sure thing. People said ratings for the NFL would never go down but they have. People said the cap would never decrease again but it has. People say a lot of things but smart business must account for the situation we are in now. If and when the market goes up, that increase will be realized on Salaries for players because the CBA says it has to. At that point, the market may increase monetarily but not before that and not in the way it is currently happening. It's not the rising salaries, per say. It's the demands the QB position is making on the cap structure. Again, teams have to pay out a certain amount of money to players regardless. That's always going to be the case, so long as the cba is in place. But situations where 20/25 percent of it is going to one position, to QBs, that's changing IMO.

    So if Dak can get 40 on the open market, cool, lets see it.
     
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  15. jaythecowboy

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    I have seen you say multiple times that Dak was never going to sign but one of the last pieces of actual confirmed info was JJ saying the deal was imminent before the start of the 2019 season. So what deal was on the table that was just about to get done? The narrative that is widely accepted here is Dak and France pulled out after a hot start. Not sure if true, but even if it is it didn't bother me because I would expect the same thing from the team if Dak started off poorly.
     
  16. ABQCOWBOY

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    The deal you are referring to, I believe, is the one that was agreed upon, in 2018 with Guerriero, before Dak fired him. I mean, that's a guess as there are not dates mentioned in your post.
     
  17. CapnB

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    According to Jane Slater Nope... and she didnt say that directly, but mentioned on total access the other day that when she asked other teams they said he was top 10 QB ( 9, to 10) but not Patrick Mahomes ( 1) money
     
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  18. jaythecowboy

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    Jerry Jones said the deal was imminent in September 2019 which at that time France was Dak's agent.
     
  19. ABQCOWBOY

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    As I said earlier, there were two separate times when the Cowboys had deals with Dak, reportedly. Once with his old agent and once, just prior to the 2020 season. That could have been the time that was referred to. Of course, we all know the story from Dak not being able to get a deal done at the deadline. So those are the times I know of and have commented on. If we are talking about September of 2019, that's likely the deal that was agreed upon, prior to the 2020 season. The three game run that Dak had at the start of last years season is given as the reason for France and Dak to pull out of that agreement but I believe that they were never going to sign a deal to begin with, to be honest. That's just never been their plan. Three times they are so close and three times, there is always an excuse. They didn't want a deal.
     
  20. jaythecowboy

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    Jerry said a deal was imminent just before the 2019 season. I don't see how he could be referring to a deal from Guerriero when France was hired over a year before that. From what I've been able to gather France was hired in June 2018. Jerry said a deal was imminent September 2019.
     

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