If Dallas had just a average OL. Bledsoes numbers.

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Hostile said:
I was so all over Suggs it wasn't funny. Lefty was my #2, but I am fine with T-new, he's been great.

Leftwich has too many injuries for my taste, I think he is a heck of a QB but he is constantly getting dinged up from his days at Marshall as well as each year in the NFL.
 

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Hostile said:
I was so all over Suggs it wasn't funny. Lefty was my #2, but I am fine with T-new, he's been great.

Yeah I remember now... and good reasoning too... as a good pass rush makes more differance in the secondary than a solid corner does
 

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burmafrd said:
sad thing was that JJ wanted to try Hutch and Q so we were NOT going for a QB. that is what happens when you try to do things on the cheap. We WOULD have gotten a good CB sometime- they are EASY to find compared to QUALITY QB's.
Bledsoe is the best we could get that could play WELL for us NOW. Simple as that.
Yes he needs more protection then most- BUT if you give it to him he WILL PRODUCE.
AND add to that the FACT that you do not win in the NFL WIHOUT A GOOD O LINE.
SO we would need one ANYWAY. THAT is WHY we must have a good O line for next year.

I agree with most of what you are saying here friend...but I do not think it is possible to have a good o-line and bledsoe...I know you disagree...let us hope you are right and I am wrong but I have a feeling...
 

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I would have liked Suggs also, but I'm not sure he would have done well in Zimmer's engage and react system.

I think I'd rather have had Lefty. He gets dinged up abit, but that's temporary. Most QB's do ... look at Aikman, how many full seasons did he play???

TNew has played lights out for us this year, but heck, it's not like he was a difference maker in this 9-7 team.
 

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Hostile said:

You mean like the 5,382 Bledsoe sucks threads? Or maybe included in that the Vinny is better than Bledsoe threads? No nice little repost smilies for those? LOL
 

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Zax, why in the world do you think we cannot have a good O line and Bledsoe? That makes no sense at all.
 

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Eddie said:
So in retrospect ... do you think Terrence Newman was worth taking when Byron Leftwich was still on the board???

I love TNew, but I think a star QB is worth alot more than a star CB.

Shutdown corners are probably as hard to find as star QBs as well as star pass rushers. Sure, BL is great, but he seems extremely prone to injury. Now, in hindsight, if we had a choice to take Carson Palmer over TNew, he would have probably been the better choice. But, that's why they call it hindsight.
 

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is everyone trying to tell me that in 13 years drew has NEVER EVER EVER had a good OLine???

you ask for why he failed in 12 previous years you get "doesn't matter-fix the line!"

i just so totally fail to agree that he just needs a good OL to be fine or i'd have to think some other coach previous in his career would have given him one.
 

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burmafrd said:
Zax, why in the world do you think we cannot have a good O line and Bledsoe? That makes no sense at all.

451 sacks

and everywhere he went he needed a better o-line...

see his lack of a decent short yardage passing game and all around slowness keeps LB's close to the line they can more effectively stop the run and rush the passer...which means most of the time the D-lineman don't need to protect the LB's very long so they can push up field...all this is tremendously hard on an o-line even the best of them...
 

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Zaxor said:
451 sacks

and everywhere he went he needed a better o-line...

see his lack of a decent short yardage passing game and all around slowness keeps LB's close to the line they can more effectively stop the run and rush the passer...which means most of the time the D-lineman don't need to protect the LB's very long so they can push up field...all this is tremendously hard on an o-line even the best of them...

Naw, Bledsoes great, he's just run into a bit of bad luck the last 13 years...Yikes, did I say 13 !
 

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burmafrd said:
Zax, why in the world do you think we cannot have a good O line and Bledsoe? That makes no sense at all.

You're obviously not paying attention.
 

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Zaxor said:
see his lack of a decent short yardage passing game and all around slowness keeps LB's close to the line they can more effectively stop the run and rush the passer...which means most of the time the D-lineman don't need to protect the LB's very long so they can push up field...all this is tremendously hard on an o-line even the best of them...

That is the single most logical, and well thought out post you have made on your whole Bledsoe bashing tirade, and it definitely makes sense. Which could definitely explain our difficulties running the ball. I still think he can get it done, he's already proved that to me, but I'm going to be real interested in seeing how the run game fares next year, if JJ can stay healthy, and the line can gel a bit more.
 

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superpunk said:
That is the single most logical, and well thought out post you have made on your whole Bledsoe bashing tirade, and it definitely makes sense. Which could definitely explain our difficulties running the ball. I still think he can get it done, he's already proved that to me, but I'm going to be real interested in seeing how the run game fares next year, if JJ can stay healthy, and the line can gel a bit more.

All the teams he has played for had a game here or a game there where they could run for what ever reason but they never could sustain it...I am pretty certain it will be the same case here...
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
You're obviously not paying attention.

he will as soon as you just post "DRU RULZ!!!" then you'd be his buddy. till then you're just the other "b" word.
 

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So the OL doesn't matter? So the other teams with probowl QBs wouldn't trade for Bledsoe? That is the single stupidist thing I have heard in this whole thread. If I had Manning I wouldn't trade for Bledsoe either, but that doesn't mean he's a bad QB. The single worst thing BP did this year was downplay the loss of Flozell. No matter what anyone says, the loss of a massive left tackle is devastating to a line already burdened with a rookie RT. Now instead of needing to help your RT against the likes of Stahan (chip blocking with the RB, keeping a TE in, cracking with the WR) you are forced to figure out how to help both LT and RT. Now the game becomes one of who needs more help in each game. During each game the OC has to figure that out and adjust formations and play-calling to achieve adequate protection for his QB. Hey, I'll be the first one to say Bledsoe held the ball too long many times, but getting blind-sided all the time by 290lb DEs sometimes forces you to cough it up. I don't think many people on this forum could keep ahold of the ball if Kearse hit you from the blindside because Tucker couldn't take three lateral steps quick enough. Quit whining all you armchair coaches. What they say is definitely true - the games are won in the trenches. Next time we lose a franchise LT to injury I would hope we would sign a vet and quick trying to put bandaids everywhere. No offense to Rob Petitti - starting as a rookie is a hard thing to do. And Tucker just isn't a starting LT in this league. Read this article by Mickey - he makes some good points how the blocking killed the running and the passing in St Louis:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=8A139F77-0BE1-5C62-968194CD1F716422

Bledsoe is a good QB. Maybe not great, definitely not pro bowl material. But he's what we got and I for one choose him over the last three we've had. If we get our OL shored up and get some decent depth next year will be the Cowboys year.

Sorry to ramble.
 

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Zaxor said:
451 sacks

and everywhere he went he needed a better o-line...

see his lack of a decent short yardage passing game and all around slowness keeps LB's close to the line they can more effectively stop the run and rush the passer...which means most of the time the D-lineman don't need to protect the LB's very long so they can push up field...all this is tremendously hard on an o-line even the best of them...

Good post. Can't say I disagree.
 
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