If Dallas had kept Amari Cooper?

[kskboys]

Cooper was the man for Rush in that Viking game last year.
If we could afford it, we definitely should have kept him. Ceedee is the only legit receiver on the team. Everyone else is less than a JAG in my opinion.

You see Gallup as a JAG? No joke? Wow.

 

[DandyDon52]

You see Gallup as a JAG? No joke? Wow.

well since he has come back, he seems to be JAG. Maybe he gets back to his old self soon or later or never?

 

[Tussinman]

Do you want Cooper or do you want Micah and Diggs?

Bingo. The issue with Cooper wasn't this year, its the money he commands through 2024. The Cowboys have some monster deals in the pipeline to give out if they want to keep the band together.

I don't think that is why.

These monster deals for the big 3 (Lamb, Diggs, Parson) wouldn't even begin to have significant cap hits till like 2025-2026 range.......

 

[buybuydandavis]

Coulda....shoulda....woulda. Let's just say Dallas never let Cooper go. Regardless in how he's doing in Cleveland now. Don't you guys think that Cooper being here opens it up for other receivers? They were the number 1 offense last season. What's different? No Cooper and yes Dak has been out. They let Cooper go with no real backup plan to replace him. Without a doubt, Dallas needs to go a WR in the draft. That's the difference in making this offense great. It's not an inept Dak. He had 37 tds to 10 ints. That's not bad at all.

They would be incredible had they kept Cooper.

Said it then and say it now. They spent Cooper's money to keep Gallup and Schulz. I'd much rather have Cooper. We'd be a much better offense.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Bingo. The issue with Cooper wasn't this year, its the money he commands through 2024. The Cowboys have some monster deals in the pipeline to give out if they want to keep the band together.

Cooper didn't *command* any money, this year or into the future. No future years guaranteed on his contract.

The money we spent on Gallup and Schulz was more than enough to keep Cooper. I'd much rather have Cooper.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You don't get rid of him without replacing him. We gave away a #1 draft pick for 3 years of service. what a waste.

This is the problem I have with letting Coop walk, not the money or the production, but the draft capital we gave up.

If you only get three years out of a first round pick, that is considered a major bust. Put it like this, if you draft somebody in the first round and you are trading him for a bag of Doritos three years later, you have blown the pick, no other way to say it. They didnt even finish their rookie deal before you pulled the plug on them.

Basically same thing with Coop, you traded a first rounder for a 3 year rental.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't think that is why.

These monster deals for the big 3 (Lamb, Diggs, Parson) wouldn't even begin to have significant cap hits till like 2025-2026 range.......

Yeah but between just cooper and dak you’d have $75MM in cap hit next year alone. Now the logical thing to do is just restructure those deals to get that number down, but most of that money just moves into the voidable years of their deals in 25-26.

Factor in other big cap hits , like Dlaw at $26MM next year as other restructure candidates and it’s the same thing. The money moves they do now will have significant impacts on the cap for those 25-26 years.

 

[kskboys]

well since he has come back, he seems to be JAG. Maybe he gets back to his old self soon or later or never?

It was always going to take him a game or 3 to get up to speed.

 

[kskboys]

I don't think that is why.

These monster deals for the big 3 (Lamb, Diggs, Parson) wouldn't even begin to have significant cap hits till like 2025-2026 range.......

It's not the specifics, it's the big pic. Dump some huge salaries and get some players in here, some tough ones who play hard every down. At his price, Coop was simply way overpaid, and thus had to go. No, we have not replaced him yet. Jerry does not comprehend sharp route runners or what they bring to an O. He always wants to draft tall high flyers.

 

[KJJ]

We may be seeing this same topic come January…just sayin…

 

[jazzcat22]

It's amazing how running wide open thru a secondary every week translates to
"his production had dropped off".

Amari Cooper is playing well with a backup QB... in Cleveland, of all places.

That is this year, where was he at times the past 2 years? He was not consistent that is for sure.

 

[jterrell]

Coulda....shoulda....woulda. Let's just say Dallas never let Cooper go. Regardless in how he's doing in Cleveland now. Don't you guys think that Cooper being here opens it up for other receivers? They were the number 1 offense last season. What's different? No Cooper and yes Dak has been out. They let Cooper go with no real backup plan to replace him. Without a doubt, Dallas needs to go a WR in the draft. That's the difference in making this offense great. It's not an inept Dak. He had 37 tds to 10 ints. That's not bad at all.

They would be incredible had they kept Cooper.

The offense would likely be better but they'd have eaten 22M in cap hit.
So you can remove Peters and Fowler and maybe a few other smaller FA moves.
That's before talking guys like Dorance Armstrong whom they may not have resigned.

Dak would still have gotten hurt so you'd still have been playing conservative game plans.
At best they might be 1 game better right now.

I'd rather be where they are and looking for a cheap WR addition. WR is one of easiest positions to come by.
There are 4-5 legit WR targets on the market right now.

You can get Brandin Cooks or Michael Thomas each for 35M over years. Coop was 3 years and 60M on Dallas cap.

 

[RoboQB]

That is this year, where was he at times the past 2 years? He was not consistent that is for sure.

Like I said, he was running wide open in the secondary.
He can't throw it to himself.

 

[jazzcat22]

Like I said, he was running wide open in the secondary.
He can't throw it to himself.

Maybe at times as many WR's on all teams do at times, and their QB doesn't see them as well either, but not as much as you are trying to make it out to be.

 

[Tussinman]

It's not the specifics, it's the big pic. Dump some huge salaries and get some players in here, some tough ones who play hard every down. At his price, Coop was simply way overpaid, and thus had to go. No, we have not replaced him yet. Jerry does not comprehend sharp route runners or what they bring to an O. He always wants to draft tall high flyers.

His salary was high but virtually none of it was guaranteed and they had plenty of money (this is the same team that was trying to sign Gregory for over 75 million this off-season lets be real).

My point was I'm not buying the narrative of they couldn't afford him or they did it to strategically plan for contracts that are like almost half a decade down the line. They could of easily at worst kept him just this year and it would of give Lamb more time to develop and allowed Gallup a better buffer to come back from a major surgery

Yeah but between just cooper and dak you’d have $75MM in cap hit next year alone. Now the logical thing to do is just restructure those deals to get that number down, but most of that money just moves into the voidable years of their deals in 25-26.

Factor in other big cap hits , like Dlaw at $26MM next year as other restructure candidates and it’s the same thing. The money moves they do now will have significant impacts on the cap for those 25-26 years.

They could of easily kept him one or 2 more years and still would have had another year or 2 buffer before those deals went into effect. As for next year's cap they have like over 25 million in cutable dead weight on just offense alone (Tyron and Zeke) so i'm not buying that the offense had too much cap hit money

That was my point, they didn't cut a legitimate #1 WR because they couldn't afford it or because there masterminding a plot to pre-allocate deals that are almost half a decade away. I'm kind of leaning towards the rumors of something personal happening behind the scenes

 

[DandyDon52]

It was always going to take him a game or 3 to get up to speed.

well in this last game I think it was him maybe not, but he ran a bad route, he should have cut in front of db, instead went behind him
which put the db in front of him.
lamb was behind him on a similar route , and I didnt care for the way they ran the routes.

It was in that qb analysis thread.

 

[Cmac]

I say pay less at QB, HB, WR and pay premium players on OL, DL, secondary... that wins championships

Would this imply that a team with a great OL, and pretty good defense......win a SB.....i.e. with Brad Johnson (Game Manager), Trent Dilfer (Defintely a Game Manager), and Joe Flacco (Hot streak), and Nick Foles (Hot Streak)....recipients of great defenses that had good LBs too, except for Nick Foles, perhaps?

I'd take my chances with a good defense, but highly skilled players on offense (which means compensation) too.

 

[Dakota]

It is morinic to believe that ANY top QB in the NFL is going to continue to perform at an elite level without weapons. Just look at Brady and Rodgers. Put enough top quality weapons coupled with a great O line around any QB and he can "look" good. Just look at Hurts for example. If Dak had his weapons and his line we would be the league leader in every offensive category.

 

[RoboQB]

Maybe at times as many WR's on all teams do at times, and their QB doesn't see them as well either, but not as much as you are trying to make it out to be.

Your claim about Amari Cooper dropping off the last two years has more to do
with lack of targets than lack of catches. Cooper was, and is, a top route runner.
That is his specific talent. Which is to say, he's open. Any gripe about Cooper's
numbers in Dallas is on the QB. A $40M QB should see that.

 

[jazzcat22]

Your claim about Amari Cooper dropping off the last two years has more to do
with lack of targets than lack of catches. Cooper was, and is, a top route runner.
That is his specific talent. Which is to say, he's open. Any gripe about Cooper's
numbers in Dallas is on the QB. A $40M QB should see that.

Being a precise route runner does not make you always open.
I did not claim lack of targets, because he wasn’t open, you made that up.

All QBs miss open receivers at times. $40 million has nothing to do with it. That is absurd to say.
Your dislike for Dak is skewing your opinion.