If It Costs Too Much $$ To Pick In The Top Five, I Have a Question...

[CATCH17]

Nice thread.

If we get DMAC and he pans out then one can only think one thing...

CHAMPIONSHIP!

Thats what its all about and its even worth overspending on a player to get it.

 

[iceberg]

Nice thread.

If we get DMAC and he pans out then one can only think one thing...

CHAMPIONSHIP!

Thats what its all about and its even worth overspending on a player to get it.

all the DOB (dmac or bust) people seem to say the anti-dmac crowd just hates him. or won't even acknowledge it's possible that we could trade up for him.

neither of which is true.

but i've yet to really see a DOB diciple say something like "well, he may not pan out in the pros. many top rated rb's don't, you know..."

it's all RAH RAH RAH like an ID complex on acid.

 

[Hostile]

Did you even bother to read my post? I called the Arkansas connection "mindless" if that was the reason someone was predicting Jerry to draft McFadden.

I did read it, but I misread that line. It happens.

When Parcells was here because of his penchant for signing FOBs (Friends of Bill) or his former players, every player who ever played for him that was available was coming here. The speculation was endless.

The media does that all the time. They connect the dots. There is not a doubt in my mind that when Jerry made that trade it was with McFadden in mind because Cleveland was going to suck. The only problem was no one told Cleveland and some kid named Derek Anderson figured out how to play. No one can tell me they knew Cleveland was going to do well. Especially given how they began the season at QB and then got rid of him, etc.

Now the media can't figure out how to let go of the story, and the fans can't because they won't.

 

[Hostile]

Which GM has never lied about his real intentions? It's ok to make a case for not trading up for DMAC, but it should be based on more than "they said so" (I did not have sexual relations with that woman *harhar*). Or more simple: everybody lies. Especially when it comes to pro sports.
And talking about costs, i agree with you that it is too much to move into top5. But if the Jets pass on him, JJ will trade with the Pats

Show me where Stephen Jones has "lied about the team's real intentions." He has said the same thing as Jerry and is an Arkansas alum too.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

all the DOB (dmac or bust) people seem to say the anti-dmac crowd just hates him. or won't even acknowledge it's possible that we could trade up for him.

neither of which is true.

but i've yet to really see a DOB diciple say something like "well, he may not pan out in the pros. many top rated rb's don't, you know..."

it's all RAH RAH RAH like an ID complex on acid.

I think you are reading too much into the posts of those who want him. I know in my case I simply think he's a fantastic player with superstar potential and the ability to give us the home run threat we are missing.

But I see the arguments against making the move up for him. They are legitimate arguments and opposite points of view.

I, for one don't think those who argue against the move up are anti-McFadden, just like I'm not anti-whatever 2nd tier CB or WR we will get if we stay in the #22 and #28 spot.

But it's sort of childish and silly for posters to argue about it and split up into camps when we have nothing to do with the decision.

 

[Hostile]

I think you are reading too much into the posts of those who want him. I know in my case I simply think he's a fantastic player with superstar potential and the ability to give us the home run threat we are missing.

But I see the arguments against making the move up for him. They are legitimate arguments and opposite points of view.

I, for one don't think those who argue against the move up are anti-McFadden, just like I'm not anti-whatever 2nd tier CB or WR we will get if we stay in the #22 and #28 spot.

But it's sort of childish and silly for posters to argue about it and split up into camps when we have nothing to do with the decision.

Q vs. Hutch ring any bells?

People will always split on decisions and argue.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I did read it, but I misread that line. It happens.

When Parcells was here because of his penchant for signing FOBs (Friends of Bill) or his former players, every player who ever played for him that was available was coming here. The speculation was endless.

The media does that all the time. They connect the dots. There is not a doubt in my mind that when Jerry made that trade it was with McFadden in mind because Cleveland was going to suck. The only problem was no one told Cleveland and some kid named Derek Anderson figured out how to play. No one can tell me they knew Cleveland was going to do well. Especially given how they began the season at QB and then got rid of him, etc.

Now the media can't figure out how to let go of the story, and the fans can't because they won't.

Hos,
No argument from me for your viewpoint. It's probably the more realistic view. I think you are somewhat like me in that you would love to have him, but you can't allow yourself to get caught up in hoping for him when it will take a blockbuster deal to make it happen.

That being said, I think you aren't giving enough respect to writers like Peter King. I don't agree with him all the time and he's a definite Parcells and Belichik/Patriot homer, but he's not writing what he wrote yesterday because he somehow "can't let go of the story." Come on, you know better than that. King's job is to talk to people in the league and he has tons of contacts. You know they tell him a lot of things in off-the-record discussions that he can't say but they affect his opinions. He is now officially on board with the line of thinking that says Jerry is in love with McFadden and will make a move to get him.

I am beginning to believe this is 1995 all over again and Jerry is once again having Deion-type infatuation. I can see Jerry telling Stephen once again, "Shut up, I'm the boss and I want him! I'm getting old and I'm going for it!"

 

[Sandyf]

I don't know if Jerry was hoping that the Cleveland pick was going to be the number 1 overall but he like all the teams do know the predictions.

After the draft and before the season started, Cleveland was predicted to have a top five pick. Some pubs had them finishing with the worst record, so Jerry knew the odds.

Realistically, noone thought Anderson was going to be anything more than a guy or else some team would have inquired about him and even Cleveland would have given only a cursory look at Quinn.

Everyone thought Quinn was going to start after Anderson played a couple of games, even Cleveland admitted that last season. They were willing to take their lumps and go from there.

Maybe Jerry wasn't hoping for the number one but I'm positive he thought that the pick would be no worse than the 5th pick in the draft. That would have still been $18 million or so in signing bonus.

I would find it hard to believe come draft day that IF we trade for Pacman and say Roy Williams WR that Jerry won't at least try to move up and get McFadden.

For me, I still remember Ireland comments about the 22nd pick being just as valuable as the 1st pick depending on what you are trying to do. Maybe it is nothing, maybe not but it is odd how his comments came out.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Q vs. Hutch ring any bells?

People will always split on decisions and argue.

Sure, but that had racial undertones.

For some reason if there are 2 points of view on a subject it always turns into an argument. Human nature I guess.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

For me, I still remember Ireland comments about the 22nd pick being just as valuable as the 1st pick depending on what you are trying to do. Maybe it is nothing, maybe not but it is odd how his comments came out.

I don't recall reading that. When did Ireland say that? That is an interesting comment.

 

[Hostile]

Hos,
No argument form me for your viewpoint. It's probably the more realistic. I think you are somewhat like me in that you would love to have him, but you can't allow yourself to get caught up in hoping for him when it will take a blockbuster deal to make it happen.

That being said, I think you aren't giving enough respect to writers like Peter King. I don't agree with him all the time and he's a definite Parcells and Belichik/Patriot homer, but he's not writing what he wrote yesterday because he somehow "can't let go of the story." Come on, you know better than that. King's job is to talk to people in the league and he has tons of contacts. You know they tell him a lot of things in off-the-record discussions that he can't say but they affect his opinions. He is now officially on board with the line of thinking that says Jerry is in love with McFadden and will make a move to ge him.

I am beginning to believe this is 1995 all over again and Jerry is once again having Deion-type infatuation. I can see Jerry telling Stephen once again, "Shut up, I'm the boss and I want him! I'm getting old and I'm going for it!"

Oh make no mistake about it, if we get McFadden for a reasonable cost I will pee myself. When we made the trade with Cleveland it took me all of 5 seconds to start the post saying we would get him.

Cleveland spoiled the party.

However, I'm a realist and I refuse to put all my hopes on a remote (at best) possibility. I would not do it and miss out on other options. That would be stupid. I don't care how good he is.

In other words, I would rather use all 3 of our top picks and have a lesser RB, but get potentially better options at CB and WR. I don't relish the idea of getting a 3rd or 4th round CB when we could have our pick of a very nice group of 1st round type potential guys.

I wonder how people reconcile themselves to what we would have to pay Barber to go back to being the other guy?

Naw, I'd rather get a guy to support Barber and get him at a bargain price.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Oh make no mistake about it, if we get McFadden for a reasonable cost I will pee myself. When we made the trade with Cleveland it took me all of 5 seconds to start the post saying we would get him.

Cleveland spoiled the party.

However, I'm a realist and I refuse to put all my hopes on a remote (at best) possibility. I would not do it and miss out on other options. That would be stupid. I don't care how good he is.

In other words, I would rather use all 3 of our top picks and have a lesser RB, but get potentially better options at CB and WR. I don't relish the idea of getting a 3rd or 4th round CB when we could have our pick of a very nice group of 1st round type potential guys.

I wonder how people reconcile themselves to what we would have to pay Barber to go back to being the other guy?

Naw, I'd rather get a guy to support Barber and get him at a bargain price.

That's the conservative, realistic view, no doubt and probably the better view.

The other view is that the talent isn't as good in that 20's range and we have been on the receiving end of quite a few of those busts.

The top-tier CBs won't be there in the 20's and the WR class this year is suspect. Besides DeSean Jackson, (who would be a great return man), there isn't a WR in the 20's who will impact our team this season. Also, Jerry has mentioned Stanback several times, so he is definitely in the plans. I just don't see WR as the pick if we stay in the 20's.

So we would probably have to trade up anyway to get a top tier CB.

 

[BlueStar II]

If McFadden falls to around 10 or so I will believe it could be something to great for him to pass up. I just don't see that happening. In the meantime we've got daily scenarios about how to get that pick from the Dolphins, Raiders, Jets, and Patriots. It's funny how they always include the players the fans think the Cowboys are not happy with because they themselves are not happy with them.

I believe it is far more likely Jerry Jones and Co. will look to add a veteran WR (more immediate impact than a rookie) and hold firm on their picks. We have more than 1 need. If all we had was 1 need, and it was RB, I could be more open to this.

I said it before, Cleveland canceled the parade and some people are still showing up early to claim the good seats.

If I am wrong, I will eat my words. I won't be wrong.

I agree. I just don't see us trading up to tak McFadden unless he were to, for some strange reason, fall into the #10 range. If...and I seriously doubt that he will, but if, he were to fall into that range, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones pull the trigger on a trade for McFadden.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree. I just don't see us trading up to tak McFadden unless he were to, for some strange reason, fall into the #10 range. If...and I seriously doubt that he will, but if, he were to fall into that range, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones pull the trigger on a trade for McFadden.

Well, yeah, of course. If he falls around the 10 spot then I can absolutely see him moving up to get that selection.

 

[Longboysfan]

We would have needed one of the drafts where some mope cpmes along and offers their whole draft for a player.
Preferably next years draft....

And this years number 1 pick!!!!!

 

[skinsscalper]

Oh make no mistake about it, if we get McFadden for a reasonable cost I will pee myself. When we made the trade with Cleveland it took me all of 5 seconds to start the post saying we would get him.

Cleveland spoiled the party.

However, I'm a realist and I refuse to put all my hopes on a remote (at best) possibility. I would not do it and miss out on other options. That would be stupid. I don't care how good he is.

In other words, I would rather use all 3 of our top picks and have a lesser RB, but get potentially better options at CB and WR. I don't relish the idea of getting a 3rd or 4th round CB when we could have our pick of a very nice group of 1st round type potential guys.

I wonder how people reconcile themselves to what we would have to pay Barber to go back to being the other guy?

Naw, I'd rather get a guy to support Barber and get him at a bargain price.

That pretty much sums it up for me, also.

 

[CoCo]

I don't think there are very many folks putting all their hopes on the remote possibility of getting McFadden. If that's where all their emotional eggs are, then yeah its likely they will have mess to clean up.

And I totally understand the refusal to pursue McFadden at all costs. We do indeed also have needs at CB and WR.

But I'm also hearing speculation from many who suggest we might be able to have our cake (WR & CB help) and eat it too (McFadden) in a scenario where we get Pacman for a day two pick and Roy Williams (WR) or similar for a combination of 2008/09 picks that leaves enough ammo to move up for McFadden.

Hmmm, pretty interesting scenario when combined with a wildcat owner/GM.

I agree its not likely. It may not even be advisable. But it is not absurd IMO.

I think there are two legitimate sides to this discussion which is part of why it continues to linger.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Last year when we got Clevelands #1 I was giddy cause I just knew it would be a top 5-6 pick and would allow us to go after DMac. But I knew the moment Cleveland went 10-6 that they screwed up our chances of getting him.

Darn Brownies. OF all the years to decide to turn it around they have to choose the year that effects a Cowboys draft.