If it's about the QB why is SF getting all this hype over Dallas?

[Flamma]

I would say the Niners might be the only exception. On this team you do not need a good QB to be successful.

And the rookie looked good against Miami. He has a big test coming up against Tampa's D. This is his Tom Brady opportunity.

 

[RonnieT24]

Who cares? Rankings and hype don't win football games. When and if the teams play it will be decided on the field.

 

[RonnieT24]

so you like those odds? Going back about 20 years it might have happened twice a team won with a qb on first deal.. thats counting Foles miracle run.

Nah.. I believe Flacco was on his first deal as were Wilson and Mahomes. But Foles absolutely was not. Hell the Eagles had cut or traded him somewhere else and brought him back by the time they won with him. But you are correct people keep chirping about "ya gotta win with the QB on his rookie deal" but it literally hasn't happened but a handful of times in the Salary Cap era. It's one of those stupid canards that people latch onto for some reason and won't let go regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

 

[charron]

The difference between non elite starting qb's and career backup qb's is just not as big as most think. Add in a really good defense, really good run game, good pass catchers and a career backup with 1 start can go 4-1.

 

[RonnieT24]

The difference between non elite starting qb's and career backup qb's is just not as big as most think. Add in a really good defense, really good run game, good pass catchers and a career backup with 1 start can go 4-1.

Yes a lot of veteran backups can come in and win a few games. But the more those guys play the more they get exposed. Because teams get film on them. See their weaknesses and tendencies and start to devise game plans to expose them. That's why a backup can play what appears to be flawless football for a few weeks and then you know.. implode for 3 interceptions in one game and have people wondering what happened.

 

[charron]

Yes a lot of veteran backups can come in and win a few games. But the more those guys play the more they get exposed. Because teams get film on them. See their weaknesses and tendencies and start to devise game plans to expose them. That's why a backup can play what appears to be flawless football for a few weeks and then you know.. implode for 3 interceptions in one game and have people wondering what happened.

That happens to every qb, player, team at times. That is how bad teams can beat good ones, you know whats coming and have a good plan to counter it.

 

[plasticman]

The 49ers have the #1 defense in both yards and points.

This has happened 20 times since the merger in 1970.

Seven of those teams played in the Super Bowl. Twelve of them played in their conference championship game.

When a team is the best defense in both points and yards, that is dominant. It is so dominant that you can take a very mediocre offense deep into the playoffs.

The Seattle Seahawks offenses in 2013 and 2014 were not prolific. Neither were the 2004 and 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers. Any team that could win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer had to require a dominant defense like Tampa Bay in 2002.

The point is, with a defense like that all you need is busdriver QB and an offense that doesn't make mistakes and takes advantage of the excellent field position gifted by that defense. This is what makes SF the true dangerous team in the NFC.

The reason the media seems to focus so much on the Cowboys is because they have the largest global market. More fans are likely to tune in if the subject happens to be the Cowboys and they know this. It's why Skip is a Cowboys fan. It's also the reason Stephen Smith pretends to be such a hater. Corporate media is all about ratings which equals money.

 

[RonnieT24]

That happens to every qb, player, team at times. That is how bad teams can beat good ones, you know whats coming and have a good plan to counter it.

There is an old saying that in the NFL every game you play writes another page in "the book" on you. The better the player the longer the book gets because they keep adding things to their game .. Limited players stop at a small paperback or even a pamphlet because they just can't do that many things. Brady is working on his third encyclopedia. But smart coaches can counter limited players. But not every coach is actually that smart. Some get stuck in "do what we do" rather than attacking the opponent's weakness or your own favorable matchups. But I aint namin no names..

 

[Reid1boys]

Nah.. I believe Flacco was on his first deal as were Wilson and Mahomes. But Foles absolutely was not. Hell the Eagles had cut or traded him somewhere else and brought him back by the time they won with him. But you are correct people keep chirping about "ya gotta win with the QB on his rookie deal" but it literally hasn't happened but a handful of times in the Salary Cap era. It's one of those stupid canards that people latch onto for some reason and won't let go regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

The reason I brought up Foles is because Wentz WAS on his rookie deal, and Wentz was on his way to winning an MVP before he got injured. It was Wentz that put the Eagles in the position they were in. If you remember, Foles was pathetic in those two starts at the end of the season and then played great in playoffs.... but if Foles had been the starter the entire season, there is no way the Iggles win.

As far as Mahomes, we all know that Mahomes was and is simply an incredible QB. Being on his first deal had nothing to do with winning a SB in his case IMO.

 

[Swagger]

Yes, there are some power ranking that has Dallas as high as #2, behind the iggles. Most place SF above Dallas, which makes no sense. These analyst keep saying "without a QB, you're not going anywhere."

So, I'm to believe a rookie QB who barley was drafted is better than a Pro Bowl QB who was in the discussion for MVP last year? Really?

There is far too much biasness towards Dallas. The media blames it on Dallas never making it far into the playoffs for the past 27 years. Newsflash! This is an entirely different team! Other teams are not held to this standard.....unbelievable.

Because the Cowboys rely on players other than their QB to win games that actually matter.

 

[GMO415]

Us against the world.

Dallas seems to play better as underdogs.

 

[Sydla]

Because the 49ers are built for the postseason. They can stop the run, they can rush the passer, they play disciplined. Offensively, they are built around a running game that travels well on the road. They win with average QBs.

Purdy is an unknown. However, if they can squeeze Jimmy G type of production out of him, which wasn't great to begin with, they are a legit contender.

 

[GMO415]

Because the 49ers are built for the postseason. They can stop the run, they can rush the passer, they play disciplined. Offensively, they are built around a running game that travels well on the road. They win with average QBs.

Purdy is an unknown. However, if they can squeeze Jimmy G type of production out of him, which wasn't great to begin with, they are a legit contender.

Sounds like Dallas West.

 

[erod]

Yes, there are some power ranking that has Dallas as high as #2, behind the iggles. Most place SF above Dallas, which makes no sense. These analyst keep saying "without a QB, you're not going anywhere."

So, I'm to believe a rookie QB who barley was drafted is better than a Pro Bowl QB who was in the discussion for MVP last year? Really?

There is far too much biasness towards Dallas. The media blames it on Dallas never making it far into the playoffs for the past 27 years. Newsflash! This is an entirely different team! Other teams are not held to this standard.....unbelievable.

First, the 49ers scheme doesn't require much from the quarterback.

Second, the league doesn't fear Dak at all.

 

[Sydla]

Sounds like Dallas West.

Except we've shown we aren't build the postseason. We keep dropping turds once the calendar turns to January, in the years we do make the playoffs.

 

[Doomsday101]

Except we've shown we aren't build the postseason. We keep dropping turds once the calendar turns to January, in the years we do make the playoffs.

past season you are right. This year you nor I know. SF is a good team but more than capable of losing even to a team like the Falcons. Their last SB win 1995. They are good and I can respect that but to act as if they are all powerful unbeatable is a joke.

 

[Sydla]

past season you are right. This year you nor I know. SF is a good team but more than capable of losing even to a team like the Falcons. Their last SB win 1995. They are good and I can respect that but to act as if they are all powerful unbeatable is a joke.

Who said they are unbeatable? But the reality is they have proven they can win with just middling QB play because they are built to not make the QB the focal point of their team. They play elite level defense, they can stop the run, they can rush the passer, the don't make mistakes. Offensively, they have good OL play, Shanahan is a great run design/play caller, and they typically can control the flow of games. We saw it up close last year.

And yeah, they haven't won a SB since the 94 season but since then they have played in 6 NFC Title games and 3 SBs. They've been a crap ton more successul than we've been, that's for sure.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who said they are unbeatable? But the reality is they have proven they can win with just middling QB play because they are built to not make the QB the focal point of their team. They play elite level defense, they can stop the run, they can rush the passer, the don't make mistakes. Offensively, they have good OL play, Shanahan is a great run design/play caller, and they typically can control the flow of games. We saw it up close last year.

And yeah, they haven't won a SB since the 94 season but since then they have played in 6 NFC Title games and 3 SBs. They've been a crap ton more successul than we've been, that's for sure.

I think they are a good team capable of winning but that is it. Cowboys are a good team as well and capable of winning.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

well for one they kicked our rear ends last year when it mattered most. Secondly they play an old school brand of football that really most teams don't want to deal with in the playoffs. We just have to erase this Cabo type mantra from this team by being the wildcard and walking the dang gone dawg on teams in the post season then the narrative changes but that's just my take on it.

 

[RonnieT24]

Who said they are unbeatable? But the reality is they have proven they can win with just middling QB play because they are built to not make the QB the focal point of their team. They play elite level defense, they can stop the run, they can rush the passer, the don't make mistakes. Offensively, they have good OL play, Shanahan is a great run design/play caller, and they typically can control the flow of games. We saw it up close last year.

And yeah, they haven't won a SB since the 94 season but since then they have played in 6 NFC Title games and 3 SBs. They've been a crap ton more successul than we've been, that's for sure.

I think you meant two here? Losing to the Ravens and then the Chiefs. What was the other one?

But you are correct they that they have been more successful that the Cowboys and have shown they can win GAMES with just middling QB play but they have yet to show they can win CHAMPIONSHIPS with that model. Nothing that happened last year or any year before makes them better than this year's Cowboys. If they meet up I expect it to be a slugfest. Two monster defenses, two great offensive lines, two wonderful running back groups. Two receiving corps with one stud and several guys at various levels of decent. The tie breaker ironically would be at QB. If Dak is who we want him to be he needs to outperform the rookie plain and simple. With the rookie facing our defense that really shouldn't be that hard. I think a lot of people have forgotten that Dak actually had a better game in the playoff last year than Garoppolo. He just didn't get the 170 yards rushing to help him out like Garoppolo did.