If Jason Garrett/Linehan had made that call what would you do?

[ufcrules1]

you run the ball on second down if you don't get in call a timeout. You pass on third down if its not complete the clock stopped you if you score good and on fourth down you can either run or pass which is season online. On second down you have to go with your strenght which is Lynch.

Exactly. They had ZERO to lose by running the ball with the hardest guy in the league to tackle. NE knew they were going to run? So freaking what! I just can't believe I literally saw the Hawks GIVE the Lombardi to the Patriots. You NEVER put the ball in the air when you can safely run it and still have 2 more downs to get in the end zone. I would like to also add that Belicheat is an idiot for not calling a timeout after the first Lynch run.

 

[JohnsKey19]

From the 1 yard line, you absolutely can run two consecutive running plays in less than 20 seconds. It's not like you have players 10+ yards away from the line of scrimmage. all they have to do is get up and line up. At worst, each running play will consume 4 seconds and let's say it takes 10 seconds to comfortably line up between plays. That's 18 seconds then you call your timeout after 3rd down.

I can see the thinking behind a pass in that situation with only 1 timeout and looking to maximize your number of snaps. If they run and fail on 2nd and 3rd downs then time runs out and there is no 4th down. I also see the thinking behind opting to pass based on matchups with NE in their run defense on the goal line.

However, 1 yard out and at least 2 more plays I'd give it to Lynch and try power vs. power. Even with a pass it seemed to make more sense rolling Wilson out and definitely going anywhere but a slant over the middle where there is more traffic and chance for a tipped ball/deflection.

It may seem like hindsight but when they got to the one I was expecting a run with Lynch or at least a read-option play and was shocked to see Wilson drop back to pass.

 

[erod]

you run the ball on second down if you don't get in call a timeout. You pass on third down if its not complete the clock stopped you if you score good and on fourth down you can either run or pass which is season online. On second down you have to go with your strenght which is Lynch.

Quarterback sack on 3rd down or any kind of penalty, and you're done. You throw on second down with one timeout in hand.

 

[erod]

Exactly. They had ZERO to lose by running the ball with the hardest guy in the league to tackle. NE knew they were going to run? So freaking what! I just can't believe I literally saw the Hawks GIVE the Lombardi to the Patriots. You NEVER put the ball in the air when you can safely run it and still have 2 more downs to get in the end zone. I would like to also add that Belicheat is an idiot for not calling a timeout after the first Lynch run.

You're wrong on the first part, but exactly right on the second. If Seattle wins, the whole country is dogpiling Belichick for not calling that time out.

 

[ufcrules1]

You're wrong on the first part, but exactly right on the second. If Seattle wins, the whole country is dogpiling Belichick for not calling that time out.

Please explain how I'm wrong on the first part.

 

[erod]

Please explain how I'm wrong on the first part.

The coach thinking is, with one time out and that little time left, you throw on second down so you can keep your time out and still get in four downs if needed. If the worst happens and you get sacked, you can still use your time out and throw on third down and run on fourth. If you don't get a wide open guy on second, you throw it away, then you have two downs to run because you still have your time out.

If you run on second down and don't get it, then you have to use your time out and throw on third down or you'll never see fourth down, and if you get sacked or get a penalty on third, the game is over.

But under no circumstances do you throw the ball in the middle of the scrum on second down. Monumentally stupid.

 

[ufcrules1]

Quarterback sack on 3rd down or any kind of penalty, and you're done. You throw on second down with one timeout in hand.

Are you trying to troll us or something? You 100% run the ball there no questions asked. You put the ball in the air and bad things can happen. You have the toughest RB in the league, only need 1 yard, and you have a timeout. A simple tipped pass and the game is over. The highest % play of executing there is a run.

 

[Naruto]

Personally, I have no problem with the play call. At least it wasn't predictable.......

Apparently it was though at least from the Patriots POV. The guy who got the INT said they lined up playing the pass. They had run the same play already which he got beat on earlier and recognized it so he jumped the route this time.

Herm said if Seattle ran an option read to the left Wilson would have walked in as everyone was matched up man to man

 

[erod]

Are you trying to troll us or something? You 100% run the ball there no questions asked. You put the ball in the air and bad things can happen. You have the toughest RB in the league, only need 1 yard, and you have a timeout. A simple tipped pass and the game is over. The highest % play of executing there is a run.

As a coach, you have to consider everything. A fumbled center exchange or a bad handoff....everything.

You run the same play EVERY TEAM runs in that situation. Play fake to Lynch, run the fullback along the goalline and a tight end across the back line, both toward the sideline. If New England sells out for the run, it's an easy lob for a wide open score. If they cover it, you throw it to Peter Costas.

Now, you have a time out and two shots with Lynch.

 

[birdwells1]

Quarterback sack on 3rd down or any kind of penalty, and you're done. You throw on second down with one timeout in hand.

There were 20 seconds left after the second down so even in the event of a sack you should still be able to get off a play off. Just like the third and one for us in the Green Bay game, Seattle out smarted themselves. Sometime football just boils down to this, "I dont care what kind of defense they put out there, we are going to run it because it's what we do best". To heck with all the chess games.

 

[birdwells1]

Now, you have a time out and two shots with Lynch.

Lynch is still waiting on his two shots. Lol

 

[ufcrules1]

Lynch is still waiting on his two shots. Lol

He gets no shots because his team was dumb enough to put the ball in the air when they didn't have to. Seattle literally handed the Lombardi to the Patriots. Anyway, that could be good news for us. Seattle wasn't as good this past year as they were the year before. I think it will be extremely difficult to come back this year for them. That makes us and the Packers the 2 top teams in the NFC going into this season.

 

[Tobal]

The national media would have blasted Romo called him a choker and the local media would have blamed Romo, Garrett, and Jerry Jones

 

[Bleu Star]

Sarcasm?

If not, did you not watch the GB game? 3rd and 1 and we pass deep in the final minute before halftime. And then go deep again with the season on the line on 4th and short. Not saying a run should've been the call on that 4th down, but a more manageable pass would've seemed more appropriate than an all or nothing deep ball that took a herculean effort by Dez to make the play.

No.

Serious as a heart attack. I like where this management team is going. Finally.

Try not to wrap your mind around one play making the difference in the Green Bay game. There's was plenty to shake a stick at.

 

[ShiningStar]

Imagine the Cowboys were in that exact same situation, and Jason Garrett/Linehan had called a pass that was picked off instead of running it three straight times, what would you have done? How would you have reacted. My 14 yr. old son speculated that he would have to call 911 to send me to the emergency room from having a heart attack. While I don't have heart problems, I think he was right. Given JG's penchant for calling passes in that situation and the Romo choke label, I think if that had happened to us, I would absolutely pass out right when it happened. It would have been the worst possible scenario for the Cowboys to lose a SB....I would much rather lose by 30.

How would you have reacted?

Confused, aside from it being the super bowl, what makes you think Garrett has never made that call?

 

[StarBoyz83]

I would be so pissed I wouldnt watch a dallas game next season

 

[MikeT22]

No.

Serious as a heart attack. I like where this management team is going. Finally.

Try not to wrap your mind around one play making the difference in the Green Bay game. There's was plenty to shake a stick at.

Actually it was two plays in that game in critical situations. The 3rd and 1 in the final minute before the half when we went deep and then the fateful 4th down to Dez. I do agree that we were much more balanced with Linehan this year and ran the ball more effectively with smarter play calling. But whether it was Linehan or Romo killing the play called, sometimes we seem like we just can't help ourselves and go for the low percentage play instead of just trying to make sure you get the first and then worry about moving downfield.

 

[Bleu Star]

Actually it was two plays in that game in critical situations. The 3rd and 1 in the final minute before the half when we went deep and then the fateful 4th down to Dez. I do agree that we were much more balanced with Linehan this year and ran the ball more effectively with smarter play calling. But whether it was Linehan or Romo killing the play called, sometimes we seem like we just can't help ourselves and go for the low percentage play instead of just trying to make sure you get the first and then worry about moving downfield.

Oh ok. Let's just forget about 3rd & 15 late in the 3rd quarter that turned into a 46 yard Green Bay TD...

Or...

The fact that we had plenty of time to effect change and win the game after the controversial Dez call and failed to mentally recover.

Ok...

Once again, faced with that decision, JG and Linehan would have been all run. Mano a mano. It would have been no different than the way they approached the same situation during the regular season.

 

[MikeT22]

Oh ok. Let's just forget about 3rd & 15 late in the 3rd quarter that turned into a 46 yard Green Bay TD...

Or...

The fact that we had plenty of time to effect change and win the game after the controversial Dez call and failed to mentally recover.

Ok...

Once again, faced with that decision, JG and Linehan would have been all run. Mano a mano. It would have been no different than the way they approached the same situation during the regular season.

What's that have to do with the long passes on 3rd and 1 and then on 4th down?

 

[Bleu Star]

What's that have to do with the long passes on 3rd and 1 and then on 4th down?

You're compartmentalizing. I'm viewing the bigger picture since its pretty clear the bigger picture is why we lost that game. Blame can be distributed in many places. But you feel free to keep trying to prove your little point.

Regarding the specific 1st & goal on the 4, DeMarco would have gotten the ball at least twice.