If Jason Garrett/Linehan had made that call what would you do?

khiladi

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That is the wrong angle to determine who did or didn't hit who first. There is an angle from upfield looking towards the goal line that shows very clearly the DB got to the ball first and the WR actually ran into him.

Yeah my man.. I actually recanted my position. I posted the up-field angle when I saw it which clearly shows it was a great INT by Butler.
 

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Not after they blew the time out. With only one remaining, the only way you ensure yourself four cracks at it are by throwing on that play.

Not really. I'm giving it to Bease Mode on 2rd with repeat on 3rd (play already call and players know where to lineup) if we don't make it. If we still haven't scored then I call a time out.
 

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Yeah my man.. I actually recanted my position. I posted the up-field angle when I saw it which clearly shows it was a great INT by Butler.

Cool, sorry I didn't see that. Here we are after lunch and that stupid play is all I can think of. I'll bet Carroll had to get extra security for his house for the next few days.
 

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Not really. I'm giving it to Bease Mode on 2rd with repeat on 3rd (play already call and players know where to lineup) if we don't make it. If we still haven't scored then I call a time out.

Me too... I don't know why some people say they didn't have enough time to run two running plays. I can't stand the cheating Patriots and Brady. It's going to once again obscure their cheating ways...
 

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I can see the thinking behind a pass in that situation with only 1 timeout and looking to maximize your number of snaps. If they run and fail on 2nd and 3rd downs then time runs out and there is no 4th down. I also see the thinking behind opting to pass based on matchups with NE in their run defense on the goal line.

However, 1 yard out and at least 2 more plays I'd give it to Lynch and try power vs. power. Even with a pass it seemed to make more sense rolling Wilson out and definitely going anywhere but a slant over the middle where there is more traffic and chance for a tipped ball/deflection.

It may seem like hindsight but when they got to the one I was expecting a run with Lynch or at least a read-option play and was shocked to see Wilson drop back to pass.
 

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Would have completed the pass to Dez or Witten for the TD anyway and in spite of bad call.

The only QB to not throw a pick this post season was Romo :)
I think Wilson had 5 and Brady had 4
I won't even say it but I'm sure you know that I could tear you a part on that statement. Anyways, just like they completed the last past that sent us packing? The fact is, coaches waste too much time worrying about what the other team might do instead of doing what you do. Lynch is who they are on offense, and Wilson's big play ability. But when you're 1 yard away, you make them make a play on Lynch. He didn't lose yardage all game long.

Now if Garrett had done that, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board would have me on ignore because I would rain down hell on anyone that protected that fool. And actually, Romo himself changed 2 plays in that Green Bay game that reminds me of Seattle's collapse. Same scenario.

We had the packers down by a TD in route to either a field goal, or a TD. I truly believe we were destined for a tD. We got cocky, we got greedy. Romo changed the play on 4th down out of a run to Murray who wasn't stopped all game long, and bobbled the snap and threw an incomplete bomb on 4th and short. A bomb vs a 2 yard 1st down pass.

Then late in the game, he sees Dez one on one and instead of calling a slant or something, or just a short pass to Beasley, he once again goes for the low percentage bomb to Dez. And both team goes home with nothing. That's the lesson right there.

Don't complicate football. If throwing it works, then throw the heck out of it. If running it works, keep running it. The cheats kept throwing that quick out to Amendola and that other squirty receiver because Seattle could not stop it.
 

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I won't even say it but I'm sure you know that I could tear you a part on that statement. Anyways, just like they completed the last past that sent us packing? The fact is, coaches waste too much time worrying about what the other team might do instead of doing what you do. Lynch is who they are on offense, and Wilson's big play ability. But when you're 1 yard away, you make them make a play on Lynch. He didn't lose yardage all game long.

Now if Garrett had done that, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board would have me on ignore because I would rain down hell on anyone that protected that fool. And actually, Romo himself changed 2 plays in that Green Bay game that reminds me of Seattle's collapse. Same scenario.

We had the packers down by a TD in route to either a field goal, or a TD. I truly believe we were destined for a tD. We got cocky, we got greedy. Romo changed the play on 4th down out of a run to Murray who wasn't stopped all game long, and bobbled the snap and threw an incomplete bomb on 4th and short. A bomb vs a 2 yard 1st down pass.

Then late in the game, he sees Dez one on one and instead of calling a slant or something, or just a short pass to Beasley, he once again goes for the low percentage bomb to Dez. And both team goes home with nothing. That's the lesson right there.

Don't complicate football. If throwing it works, then throw the heck out of it. If running it works, keep running it. The cheats kept throwing that quick out to Amendola and that other squirty receiver because Seattle could not stop it.

I was joking.
Get your panties out of wad

Good God, you guys are are terrible

News just in in. Romo wasn't perfect, not close, nor was anyone else.
This was a Cowboy fan friendly plug for our QB who just happened to not turn it over.

You guys are so quick to pile on Romo every chance you get you don't even see a friendly jab at other teams when it's staring you in the face.

BTW, in the Green bay game, Murray had 10 carries were he was stopped for 2 yards or less (7 of them for 1 yard or less). Saying he would run for 2 yards on 4th and 2 is not remotely a given.
But that was not the topic of my comment anyway.
 
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I'm very comfortable knowing that the current management team on offense would not have tried to get cute in that situation. It feels good saying that too given our propensity to do the cutest thing in the worst situations in recent years. Garrett and Linehan would have pounded Demarco. Boom. W in the books.

Sarcasm?

If not, did you not watch the GB game? 3rd and 1 and we pass deep in the final minute before halftime. And then go deep again with the season on the line on 4th and short. Not saying a run should've been the call on that 4th down, but a more manageable pass would've seemed more appropriate than an all or nothing deep ball that took a herculean effort by Dez to make the play.
 

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Not really. I'm giving it to Bease Mode on 2rd with repeat on 3rd (play already call and players know where to lineup) if we don't make it. If we still haven't scored then I call a time out.

Not enough time left for that. Clock would run out before you had your fourth down play.
 

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They could have thrown on third down, and ensured four cracks at it.

Not without running a hurry-up 3rd down play. Clock would have been running with very little time left.
 

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Not without running a hurry-up 3rd down play. Clock would have been running with very little time left.

Not true.

2nd Down: Running play.
If it doesn't score, call timeout. would have been around 15-18 seconds left.

3rd down: Pass play. If incomplete, there would be 7-8 seconds.

4th down: run to win.
 

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Not true.

2nd Down: Running play.
If it doesn't score, call timeout. would have been around 15-18 seconds left.

3rd down: Pass play. If incomplete, there would be 7-8 seconds.

4th down: run to win.

3rd down sack or holding penalty.

Now what?
 

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3rd down sack or holding penalty.

Now what?

Please. There wasn't going to be a holding penalty called at that juncture of the game. They didn't call Edelman for an obvious push off for the go ahead score. As for a sack, I don't have much of a doubt that Wilson would have gotten a pass off.
 

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Please. There wasn't going to be a holding penalty called at that juncture of the game. They didn't call Edelman for an obvious push off for the go ahead score. As for a sack, I don't have much of a doubt that Wilson would have gotten a pass off.

ANY penalty would result in a 10-second run off.

More importantly, you don't risk a sack without a time out in your pocket.

I would have run it, too, but I'm impatient that way. Throwing it was a safe play there, but NOT in the middle of the field. You get a guy wide open outside with the defense selling out, or you just throw it in the stands. Then you have two plays to run Lynch to get that yard. You could even run outside with a time out still there.
 

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But why target Lockette on the throw though? They were dumb enough to not hand it to their best offensive weapon AND pass it to the 4/5th option on the most crucial play their season? Idiots...
 

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If that happened to us, I wouldn't be posting this. I wouldn't be able to look at anything Cowboys related for a very long time.
 

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Not enough time left for that. Clock would run out before you had your fourth down play.

you run the ball on second down if you don't get in call a timeout. You pass on third down if its not complete the clock stopped you if you score good and on fourth down you can either run or pass which is season online. On second down you have to go with your strenght which is Lynch.
 

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There's no doubt in my mind it would have been more about Romo than it would be the call.

Nobody outside of here knows Scott Linehan. The entire planet knows Tony Romo.

It Romo audibled out of a run it would be all about Romo, if not, it would be all about the coach. You simply can't throw in that situation. All it takes is for the ball to get tipped at the line/intercepted and the game is over. You run the ball there 100 out of 100 times. 3 things happen when you pass the ball and 2 of them are bad.
 
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