If Jeff Fisher Is Available

[TellerMorrow34]

Now I'm not saying I'd want him, or anything like that, but I'd point out, about his playoff success, that his best QB he's ever had was also Steve McNair.

That's not exactly the greatest QB to have if you want a ton of success. Now I'll admit I don't know how much of the control he has over who is picked, and who does the GM work there, but I wouldn't blame everything about their playoff stuff on just him as the HC.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, I think we see now why he didn't trust Vince Young. And by all reports, he never wanted the guy in the first place -- it was the UT owner who did.

When Fisher has had a good QB, he's won plenty. He seems to get a lot out of the talent he has available, and that's mostly what matters.

If Fisher was measured by the standards the Cowboys fans have then he does not cut the mustered. 11 season of 8-8 or worse out of 17 season. Hell the 1st back to back losing season and the same people praising him today would be screaming bloody murder. He is a good HC he in my opinion is not a great HC. Yes Bud Adams wanted Young and Fisher wanted Matt Leinart not exactly a top player and as much of a head case as Young is Leinart is not much better and talent wise not near as good.

 

[lqmac1]

With the owner and coach not agreeing on the QB, what if Fisher becomes available. Do we go and get him or stay with Garrett? That is the question.

What has he done other than having a mediocre or less team every year but the sb year???

 

[jterrell]

Well, I think we see now why he didn't trust Vince Young. And by all reports, he never wanted the guy in the first place -- it was the UT owner who did.

When Fisher has had a good QB, he's won plenty. He seems to get a lot out of the talent he has available, and that's mostly what matters.

A lot of coaches can go .500.

And a coach who has been around 17 years does not get any talent excuse. If you are around that long and don't get talent it is your own fault. Coaching pedestrian teams to 9-7 is not exactly the stuff of legends.

As good as Fisher is in some respects he leaves just as much to be desired in others.

In fact the Oilers had made 7 straight playoff appearances before Fisher was promoted in the middle of a terrible season. In the 17 years since, he has made the playoffs 6 times....

 

[ilovejerry]

With the owner and coach not agreeing on the QB, what if Fisher becomes available. Do we go and get him or stay with Garrett? That is the question.

let him rot in buddy ryan hell

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah I'm not getting the all out love for Fisher. He hasnt been THAT successful. He has as many bad seasons as good seasons and has never won a championship.

I think he's a good coach, but not a great one. If he stayed here half as long as he did Tennessee and had the same results, most of you would be talking about what a waste of space he'd be.

Classic "grass is greener" point of view when it coems to him and a few other retreads.

I'd rather go with new blood and somebody with fresh ideas.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

GAC is talking about this right now. That Ian guy on there has a bunch of media friends around the Titans (and talked to one just last night on air) and they all think Fisher is out after this year. They think Fisher will draw a line in the sand over this issue, and Adams will choose Vince over him.

And Galloway says Jerry really likes Fisher and would love to work with him... Unlike Cowher.

 

[dreghorn2]

GAC is talking about this right now. That Ian guy on there has a bunch of media friends around the Titans (and talked to one just last night on air) and they all think Fisher is out after this year. They think Fisher will draw a line in the sand over this issue, and Adams will choose Vince over him.

And Galloway says Jerry really likes Fisher and would love to work with him... Unlike Cowher.

I'm a big Fisher guy as well and this is very interesting news, still a big long shot, but i would be very happy with him as head coach.

The biggest thing with Fisher is that he would bring instant respect to our sidelines and an influential voice for the Cowboys behind the scenes with the league.

He is very well respected around the NFL.

Think Jerry is tough, hes got nothing on Bud Adams, Fisher has done extremely well with the resources given him, and you can't help but wonder if he ever thinks what it would be like coaching a team with the resources and exposure the Cowboys would provide.

He and Stephen no doubt know each other very well from their work on the competition committee, maybe their is a mutual respect, who knows.

Big long shot with the labor problems etc.. but interesting to think about.

Fishers teams play hard though no question, heck he made a washed up Kerry Collins a big winner .

Coaching aside Dallas really needs help in the personnel department but thats for another thread.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Should I help you pack your bags then since your moving away from CZ?

Yes, if it happens you can.

But I dont think you will be. I would be BIG on me being right.

I will join you in that bet/bid.

On record right now: If Jason Garrett is not our coach for 2011, I will stop posting on CowboysZone from the day that he is fired until the conclusion of the 2011 season for the Cowboys - either at the end of Week 17 if they fail to make the playoffs, or until they are eliminated in the playoffs.

We will both be posting here next year. He will be HC.




IF Jerry brings in Fisher. I will stop watching Cowboys. Seriously. I will have enough of this nonsense. I will let it go for a while.


No big deal to anyone else, I know. But enough will be enough.

Garrett will go elsewhere and win SB before we even sniff it again (((Payton)))

 

[Goldenrichards83]

A lot of coaches can go .500.

And a coach who has been around 17 years does not get any talent excuse. If you are around that long and don't get talent it is your own fault. Coaching pedestrian teams to 9-7 is not exactly the stuff of legends.

As good as Fisher is in some respects he leaves just as much to be desired in others.

In fact the Oilers had made 7 straight playoff appearances before Fisher was promoted in the middle of a terrible season. In the 17 years since, he has made the playoffs 6 times....

I never got the lovefest for this guy. Those numbers says it all. I hear guys say they don't want Cowher because he only won 1 Superbowl in all those years. This guy hasn't won anything.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

IF Jerry brings in Fisher. I will stop watching Cowboys. Seriously. I will have enough of this nonsense.

Wow... Seriously? What would be nonsensical about it?

 

[Plankton]

With the owner and coach not agreeing on the QB, what if Fisher becomes available. Do we go and get him or stay with Garrett? That is the question.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

In 17 seasons, Fisher has made it past the Divisional Round only 1 time!!!!


You think that would fly in Dallas????

6 winning seasons out of 17.

No ****ing thank you.

 

[TitansFanInBoysLand]

In 17 seasons, Fisher has made it past the Divisional Round only 1 time!!!!


You think that would fly in Dallas????

False...but I get your point.

That's why many of us are ready to get rid of him. Plus, his egomania has just cost us the division.

 

[TheCount]

He has a history of bad relationships with his QB's at this point. Banned McNair from the complex at one point. Traded Volek and called him a liar. Now this with Vince and Kerry Collins isn't thrilled with him either. He shows up here and I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start hearing he and Romo don't like each other.

 

[rangers71]

No way he has 6 winning seasons.

 

[CATCH17]

GAC is talking about this right now. That Ian guy on there has a bunch of media friends around the Titans (and talked to one just last night on air) and they all think Fisher is out after this year. They think Fisher will draw a line in the sand over this issue, and Adams will choose Vince over him.

And Galloway says Jerry really likes Fisher and would love to work with him... Unlike Cowher.

Vince must have some nice jersey sells.




Yomick has gone GaGa over Garrett... Chill man there is still 6 weeks. Save your love.

 

[28 Joker]

I'm going to stick up for Fisher. I had him in my top 5. Now, I'm pulling for Garrett.

However, to just thumb your nose at this caliber of a coach doesn't make any sense.

First, Fisher took over a team in 1994 that was gutted due to the salary cap. It was a Houston team on the decline; the mid 80s to early 90s were over. So, his records in his early years were good when you consider the state of what he had to work with.

Second, the team played in Memphis for two years and was in transition when the franchise was being moved from Houston. Nashville is a small market team, and Bud Adams is known to have tight purse strings. It isn't like Fisher could go out and give Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollars. However, avoiding those type of moves is smart, anyway. The Titans were built via the draft.

Third, Steve McNair didn't even start until his third year, because he went to Alcorn State. Also, when McNair really came into his own, Eddie George was wearing down and on the downside.

Fourth, the team that he built (the Super Bowl team) was picked apart due to ownership cutting their pay roll. Bud Adams runs a small market team and has used a tight budget. Samari Rolle, Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Derrick Mason...These players were cherry picked away, via free agency.

Fifth, once that team was gone, Tennessee went through two years where they didn't have hardly, anything.

Once they drafted Vince Young, Micheal Griffin, Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Courtland Finnegan, Micheal Roos, Eugene Amano and hit on developing offensive linemen and restocked the defense via the draft and free agency, they became competitive again and won. They couldn't afford to keep an Albert Haynesworth. They acquired Kerry Collins and Kevin Mawae and some cheaper players via free agency.

Right now, Vince Young isn't working out. Kerry Collins is too old to bail them out. If the Titans had solid quarterback play, they could be a playoff team this year. Solid quarterback play settles your entire team down.

Fisher hasn't had the resources that the Cowboys coach has available to him.

Fisher's small market coaching mentality would be an asset in Dallas.

Plus, there is no telling how many times that he has beaten teams in the NFC East during his tenure in Tennessee. He beat three of them this year.

 

[28 Joker]

I bet the first thing Jeff Fisher would do for Jerry Jones would be this:

Coming from a small market coach who had a limited budget...

Fisher would look for the fat on the team:

Marion Barber
Roy Williams
Leonard Davis

These guys would be gone for sure, imso. 1-800Cut.

Andre Gurode wouldn't be safe, and if his replacement could be found, he could be replaced.

He would boot Olshansky for sure based on tape this year and dancing.

Colombo would be gone.
Kosier would walk.

The Montrae Hollands and Alex Barrons of the world would be gone.

LeRoy Harris would replace Kosier.

Free is an adequate left tackle, but I bet Fisher would look for a better LT in the draft and look to move Free to RT.

There would be some interesting personnel changes for sure.

I listed about 17 or 18 players who should all be gone, and they all probably would be gone, imo. They would pretty much be wiped out, imo. Perhaps a very minute number would survive. Scandrick and Bowen

 

[Dodger]

I think Fisher is a decent coach for the most part, but right now I'm leaning more towards Garrett getting the job, mainly because I would really be pissed with a capital p if Jason went to another team and won the Super Bowl two years from now.

Pissed, I say.

And regardless of whether he finishes the year with 2 or 5 more wins, I think I've seen enough to convince me that he's worth the risk, especially if the team finishes the season playing hard, playing smart, and never giving up.