If Jeff Fisher Is Available

[BAZ]

No way he has 6 winning seasons.

That is mind blowing.

 

[jterrell]

I'm going to stick up for Fisher. I had him in my top 5. Now, I'm pulling for Garrett.

However, to just thumb your nose at this caliber of a coach doesn't make any sense.

First, Fisher took over a team in 1994 that was gutted due to the salary cap. It was a Houston team on the decline; the mid 80s to early 90s were over. So, his records in his early years were good when you consider the state of what he had to work with.

Second, the team played in Memphis for two years and was in transition when the franchise was being moved from Houston. Nashville is a small market team, and Bud Adams is known to have tight purse strings. It isn't like Fisher could go out and give Leonard Davis $ 50 million dollars. However, avoiding those type of moves is smart, anyway. The Titans were built via the draft.

Third, Steve McNair didn't even start until his third year, because he went to Alcorn State. Also, when McNair really came into his own, Eddie George was wearing down and on the downside.

Fourth, the team that he built (the Super Bowl team) was picked apart due to ownership cutting their pay roll. Bud Adams runs a small market team and has used a tight budget. Samari Rolle, Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Derrick Mason...These players were cherry picked away, via free agency.

Fifth, once that team was gone, Tennessee went through two years where they didn't have hardly, anything.

Once they drafted Vince Young, Micheal Griffin, Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Courtland Finnegan, Micheal Roos, Eugene Amano and hit on developing offensive linemen and restocked the defense via the draft and free agency, they became competitive again and won. They couldn't afford to keep an Albert Haynesworth. They acquired Kerry Collins and Kevin Mawae and some cheaper players via free agency.

Right now, Vince Young isn't working out. Kerry Collins is too old to bail them out. If the Titans had solid quarterback play, they could be a playoff team this year. Solid quarterback play settles your entire team down.

Fisher hasn't had the resources that the Cowboys coach has available to him.

Fisher's small market coaching mentality would be an asset in Dallas.

Plus, there is no telling how many times that he has beaten teams in the NFC East during his tenure in Tennessee. He beat three of them this year.

Apologize much?

Fisher has coached Warren Moon, Steve McNair, VY, Kerry Collins at QB.
That isn't a Hall of Fame list but it isn't a bad list either. Kerry Collins went to a Super Bowl in NY. Gruden went with Brad flippin Johnson.

Fisher has also had Eddie George and CJ at RB. Haynesworth at DT. Jevon Kearse at DE. The guy hardly been playing from behind as his apologists would have us believe. The same team he can get to 6-2 over games can go 2-6. He is not that good by the numbers.


Again, he is a guy who should be on the radar but but not get the final nod.

He is the perfect example of a guy that has gotten off the hook for his actual record by coming across as tough and no nonsense.

 

[jterrell]

I bet the first thing Jeff Fisher would do for Jerry Jones would be this:

Coming from a small market coach who had a limited budget...

Fisher would look for the fat on the team:

Marion Barber
Roy Williams
Leonard Davis

These guys would be gone for sure, imso. 1-800Cut.

Andre Gurode wouldn't be safe, and if his replacement could be found, he could be replaced.

He would boot Olshansky for sure based on tape this year and dancing.

Colombo would be gone.
Kosier would walk.

The Montrae Hollands and Alex Barrons of the world would be gone.

LeRoy Harris would replace Kosier.

Free is an adequate left tackle, but I bet Fisher would look for a better LT in the draft and look to move Free to RT.

There would be some interesting personnel changes for sure.

I listed about 17 or 18 players who should all be gone, and they all probably would be gone, imo. They would pretty much be wiped out, imo. Perhaps a very minute number would survive. Scandrick and Bowen

There's no nice way to say this so please just shut up....

Good grief.... Are you seriously going to read Fisher's mind here and tell us his every move?

Get a grip man.

 

[TheCount]

There's no nice way to say this so please just shut up....

Good grief.... Are you seriously going to read Fisher's mind here and tell us his every move?

Get a grip man.

Actually there are plenty of nice ways to say you disagree with someone.

 

[jterrell]

Actually there are plenty of nice ways to say you disagree with someone.

That's not a disagreement it is a call for mental health professionals to be summoned. We have a mind reader with the gift of foresight on our hands.

 

[TheCount]

That's not a disagreement it is a call for mental health professionals to be summoned. We have a mind reader with the gift of foresight on our hands.

He's giving his opinion on what he thinks Fisher would do, obviously it's not based in fact but he also didn't do it while insulting anyone yet you felt the need to tell him to shut up, which is a little rude.

 

[Plankton]

Apologize much?

Fisher has coached Warren Moon, Steve McNair, VY, Kerry Collins at QB.
That isn't a Hall of Fame list but it isn't a bad list either. Kerry Collins went to a Super Bowl in NY. Gruden went with Brad flippin Johnson.

Fisher has also had Eddie George and CJ at RB. Haynesworth at DT. Jevon Kearse at DE. The guy hardly been playing from behind as his apologists would have us believe. The same team he can get to 6-2 over games can go 2-6. He is not that good by the numbers.


Again, he is a guy who should be on the radar but but not get the final nod.

He is the perfect example of a guy that has gotten off the hook for his actual record by coming across as tough and no nonsense.

While the above point is largely correct, he didn't coach Warren Moon. Moon left the Oilers after the 1993 season, and went to the Vikings. Fisher got to coach Bucky Richardson that year, and then Chris Chandler before McNair.

 

[jobberone]

Fisher has never done much but then again he has a chincy owner.

 

[wileedog]

And regardless of whether he finishes the year with 2 or 5 more wins, I think I've seen enough to convince me that he's worth the risk, especially if the team finishes the season playing hard, playing smart, and never giving up.

Look I get everyone is excited about Garrett, and I like the way he has approached things too, but it is way too early to be 'convinced' of anything.

Keep in mind, the one thing we haven't seen from Garrett and won't unless he is given the job is his talent evaluation. We don't know what a Jason Garrett draft would look like. We don't know what position battles will look like in camp. We don't know how starting roles will be defined in a Jason Garrett offseason.

And I bring this up because there are some reasons to pause:

1 - Brad Johnson. Supposedly Jason was a big reason he was kept around as the backup QB, and he was obviously horrific in camp before he was given a chance to be horrific in games.

2 - Marion Barber. I can't think of a single reason he keeps getting carries and Choice doesn't. I'd be interested to hear Jason's.

3 - Felix Jones - Why did it take 3 years for him to be made a prominent part of the offense? And worse, I think it took a mandate from Jerry to make it happen

4 - Miles Austin - would he still be rotting on the bench if Roy doesn't hurt his ribs last year? My bet given the track records here would be yes.

5 - Offensive line. Someone got smart for about half a game and benched Davis, but nothing like that has happened since. How long will Columbo be allowed to continue sucking and Davis be allowed to be utterly inconsistent before we see what someone else can do?

I think we're all pretty happy with the job Garrett has done so far, but keep in mind if we sign him long term and he continues to make personnel decisions like these and blows a draft or two then he will be setting us back even further. To outright dismiss a guy like Fisher who has done a lot with very little, or some of the other 'retreads' who have skins on the wall I think is a mistake. Garrett still has a LOT to prove, even with the job he has done so far, which is more the fault of the horrible mess he was handed than anything.

 

[casmith07]

:laugh1:

 

[Wood]

We know what Fisher upside is....decent but nothing special. We do not know what Garrett upside is yet. Give Garrett time to show if he is the next Vince Lombardi (as Pat Summerall compared him too) or if he is the next Dave Campo. i do know...Garrett is probably the most intelligent HC i have ever listened too....smart money says those guys succeed more often than they fail.

 

[Dee88]

If there is one coach I absolutely do not want, it would be one Jeff Fisher.

Talk about an over-exaggeration.... I think people expect every coach to be 'perfect'. Last time I checked, even B.B. in New England hasn't won any Superbowls in a few years so no coach is perfect. A lot of people around the NFL all say that Fisher is a great coach, and my guess is that you have witnessed 5% of his games, so my guess is he is a pretty good coach. That being said, I don't think that Garrett has deserved to lose his job. He has the team playing great, I don't see why the Cowboys would want to change from that.

 

[Concord]

Stick with Garrett.