If Parcells is so good?

[dboyz]

This is an interesting thread. I was going to start a thread with some thoughts on where our team needs to improve after watching the playoff teams. At the top of the list is offensive line. We are not terrible by any means, but when we need a yard we can't seem to get it (particularly in big games), and our pass blocking is a little inconsistent. The teams that played this weekend all seemed to have pretty good lines.

It definitely makes everything easier. I would get rid of Rivera. I think we need to start over there. I would be open to signing someone and drafting someone to play that guard spot. I would also consider moving McQuistan to guard at least temporarily if he's one of our 5 best next year.

 

[Concord]

Aikman had no room for complaints as David LaFleur was his guy, remember?

As for wanting LaFleur, Aikman worked out with both Gonzalez and LaFleur. He liked both of them, but Gonzalez was gone way before the Cowboys had a chance to pick him.

OMG.

This is like one of those Urban Legends that just won't die.

Aikman was asked to work out both.

He liked both. He liked Gonzalez better...But said LaFleur was fine...Not exact words...But you get the point.

The Cowboys would have taken Gonzalez if the opportunity was there...BUT it wasn't because the Chiefs had already taken Gonzalez.

The Cowboys took the Next best TE...LaFleur.

Aikman didn't tell the Cowboys to take LaFleur or that he was better than Gonzalez.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells has tried to develop one, but just hasn't been successful or lucky enough. He drafted someone who was actually a pansy covered by a 6' 4" frame - Jacob Rogers. He inherited Flozell, who he thinks can be all world if he actually concentrates, and tried to actually get him to do that, but apparently, it's like talking to a wall sometimes. He thought he upgraded with Rivera, but the guy's back went out, and apparently is pansy #2 in a 6' 4" frame. He's developed Colombo nicely. He drafted Pat, who from Bill's comments, once he "gets it", is a future superstar in the making. Gurode has been developed and has started to play very well under Parcells. Al Johnson, though technically sound, is pansy #3 in a 6' 4" frame. It's not like he's not tried to upgrade the talent. He's just been unlucky or unsuccessful.

and most of the attention has gone to shoring up the D

yes, that is questionable in itself, but alot of young player in a complex D hasn't gone as fast as many fans would like

 

[DipChit]

Let's be honest, if his name wasn't Parcells, he would have been fired the day after the Seattle game. what has he done in the past 15 years in the NFL.....not a damn thing.

Yesterday should have confirmed to all you doubters that it was Belicheck who was the brains behind the championships when he was with Parcells.

I agree with the first part... we see all kinds of coaches get cut loose even earlier in tenures anymore.

Dont agree with the second part though. Like theebs said, so much of it has to do with Brady.

If it's all about BB's brain then how come he finished under .500 4 out of 5 years in Cleveland as HC?

My guess is he approached things either way pretty much the same it's just that in Cleveland he was using guys like Kosar, Tomczak and Vinnie T. as his QB's.

Come to think of it, not much different than what Bill has trotted out at the QB position here. Maybe the problem here is simply not finding out you might have something special at that position (at least more special than the others you went with if not the next Brady) until midway through year 4 instead of early in year 2.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

BB wouldn't have won 3 SUper Bowls w/o Mangini, Crennel and Weis either

 

[YosemiteSam]

I agree 110% that the line (offensive and defensive) are the two most important parts to a team. I don't beleive you can blame Parcells for the failure of these two parts.

First off. Parcells drafted a lot of great talent. He drafted the talent that was avaliable. The two best offensive lineman last season were both drafted by the Jets. Ferguson and Mangold. We could have drafted Mangold, but felt that Gurode is good enough that we didn't need a center. Now, if D'Brickashaw Ferguson had been on the board, Carpenter wouldn't have been a Dallas Cowboy.

The Cowboys could have taken Luis Castillo over Marcus Spears, but who knew that Castillo would come alive the way he did and Spears would not. Well, part of the answer is the style of defense the Chargers play vs the Cowboys style which doesn't attack the same way. Chargers have more pressure players than the Cowboys. That helps everyone on the front seven, including Castillo. At best, it was luck of the draw since Spears was higher rated.

The point is, Parcells drafted what was on the board. If there wasn't an offensive linemen on the board, we didn't draft one. When defensive linemen were on the board we drafted them. Chris Canty was supposed to be a first round draft choice but slipped for a few reasons. To get him in the fourth was a steal. Or so it seemed when we drafted him.

The Cowboys could have went after Steve Hutchinson, but didn't. Of course just to match the Vikings it would have cost $7 million a year. Thats if it didn't turn into a bidding war.

 

[Woods]

Like Parcells said, "you are what you are."

So no matter how much I like him, or how bad I want him to succeed here, "he is what he is," and "his record is what it is."

And as much as I want it to, I don't see it changing.

Now I'm depressed . . . .

Unfortuantely, I think you're right.

I thought BP could take this team further after the previous 4 seasons.

I seriously wonder if the game hasn't just worn him out after all these years. It takes a heck of a lot of energy to make it through a full season and off-season.

I still remember an interview with H. Edwards when he was with the Jets. He used to wake up at 5 a.m. to just get in a quick workout to keep in shape so he could take the stress of coaching, keep his energy level high, etc.

BP also changed his diet this off-season, tried to work out, lose weight, etc. to keep his energy level high and keep on top of his team.

But when you looked at BP on the sidelines this past season, he just looked exhausted, tired, and not as vocal as before. Sure, maybe his temperment has changed over the years. But I really do wonder if the past several seasons haven't taken their toll . . . .

 

[Deputy493]

OMG.

This is like one of those Urban Legends that just won't die.

Aikman was asked to work out both.

He liked both. He liked Gonzalez better...But said LaFleur was fine...Not exact words...But you get the point.

The Cowboys would have taken Gonzalez if the opportunity was there...BUT it wasn't because the Chiefs had already taken Gonzalez. BTW, show me where I ever said he liked LaFleur better....I didn
t he liked both, but they reached for LaFleur just because Gonzalez was gone.

The Cowboys took the Next best TE...LaFleur.

Aikman didn't tell the Cowboys to take LaFleur or that he was better than Gonzalez.

well seeing how you live in Ohio and I live here, yes please tell me about what is urban legend and not......everyone knows that he liked both, but they would never have reached for LaFleur if Aikman didn't sign off on him, that was an Aikman choice, to make him happy.....not urban legend, very well known and documented in the DFW area.

FYI, show me where I ever said he liked LaFleur better......when Gonzalez was gone they reached for LaFleur because Aikman missed Novachek.

 

[CowboyChris]

i wouldnt put the blame on the offensive line for how our year went this year, you could make that argument about last years team

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

well seeing how you live in Ohio and I live here, yes please tell me about what is urban legend and not......everyone knows that he liked both, but they would never have reached for LaFleur if Aikman didn't sign off on him, that was an Aikman choice, to make him happy.....not urban legend, very well known and documented in the DFW area.

In the end...what makes the difference...really.

The argument most people make is that Troy wanted LeFluer or Gonzalez when the simple fact is it made no difference what troy wanted...we were not able to get Tony G.

That is where most of the arguments originate.

And for most people they always say how LeFluer was a bust and basically a bum.

The kid was finally coming into his own before his injury which stinks but he was not doing bad his last season.

So Jerry asks Troy...What do you think of those two TEs we worked out...Troy says he likes them both. It was no secret that we were looking for a TE in that draft. It was no secret that those two were the top rated TEs scheduled to go in the first round. We could not get the best one because KC got him first.

The cowboys draft the one left on the board (which went about where most had him rated to go)...he gets injured after he is finally starting to pan out.

Now Troy is to blame because we did not get Tony G and Troy is calling all the shots of who we will draft.

Yet YEARS later people (not saying you) are still crying that we did not get Tony G.

 

[Deputy493]

Yet YEARS later people (not saying you) are still crying that we did not get Tony G.

I am not, I realize if Tony G had been there we would've taken him, but KC took him ahead of us.......my contention is we would not have reached for a position of need if Aikman had not signed off on LaFleur after their personal workout...........both Aikman and JJ were under the dellusion that we were still a piece or two away fron the Superbowl at that point, when in fact we should've been in rebuild mode as we all now know.

 

[zrinkill]

Lafleur would have been a damn good tightend for years and years if not for his injured back ....

 

[YosemiteSam]

Lafleur would have been a damn good tightend for years and years if not for his injured back ....

Rex Grossman would have been damn good to if it wasn't for all the defensive linemen pressuring him. :

 

[zrinkill]

Rex Grossman would have been damn good to if it wasn't for all the defensive linemen pressuring him. :

Yea ...... thats the same thing

 

[Concord]

well seeing how you live in Ohio and I live here, yes please tell me about what is urban legend and not......everyone knows that he liked both, but they would never have reached for LaFleur if Aikman didn't sign off on him, that was an Aikman choice, to make him happy.....not urban legend, very well known and documented in the DFW area.

FYI, show me where I ever said he liked LaFleur better......when Gonzalez was gone they reached for LaFleur because Aikman missed Novachek.

What does living in Ohio have to do with anything. Like I Didn't have the Internet and watch Sportscenter or get the Dallas Cowboys Weekly...Or read or watch any number of other things about the Cowboys.

The Urban Legend is Aikman worked them both out but really wanted LaFleur.

Aikman didn't draft LaFleur...Jones did. The Cowboys needed a TE regardless of whether Aikman missed Novachek or not.

I'm mean shoot the man because he said LaFleur could run and catch the ball like a good TE can...And he was a Good TE coming out of College.

 

[ghst187]

bottomline is that BP has failed to accomplish the ONE thing he was hired to do in THREE LONG years with a top-tier roster....win a playoff game.....which, ironically, Sean Payton has done in his FIRST year, in a garbage franchise, with mostly cast-off, patchwork talent.
You could also note what Belichick has done in NE...they have been patching holes with guys off the street for years now and they are right there in the final four AGAIN, probably headed to the SB AGAIN. Yet we seem to need an all-star at EVERY position to have ANY prolonged success...according to BP's philosophy.
You could also note that Holmgren stopped one of the most talented WR trios in the league with guys off the streets. Seattle only has about 6-7 players that would start for us total....yet they beat us...pathetic.

 

[AtlCB]

bottomline is that BP has failed to accomplish the ONE thing he was hired to do in THREE LONG years with a top-tier roster....win a playoff game.....which, ironically, Sean Payton has done in his FIRST year, in a garbage franchise, with mostly cast-off, patchwork talent.
You could also note what Belichick has done in NE...they have been patching holes with guys off the street for years now and they are right there in the final four AGAIN, probably headed to the SB AGAIN. Yet we seem to need an all-star at EVERY position to have ANY prolonged success...according to BP's philosophy.
You could also note that Holmgren stopped one of the most talented WR trios in the league with guys off the streets. Seattle only has about 6-7 players that would start for us total....yet they beat us...pathetic.

I wouldn't call the Saints a team of mostly cast-off, patchwork talent. The team was talented before but had a terrible coach and a pathetic QB. The Saints are much more talented on both lines than we are, have a better QB, and have better ILB's. Most of their "cast-offs" are role players.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I wouldn't call the Saints a team of mostly cast-off, patchwork talent. The team was talented before but had a terrible coach and a pathetic QB. The Saints are much more talented on both lines than we are, have a better QB, and have better ILB's. Most of their "cast-offs" are role players.

 

[cowboyed]

Gailey got fired because of his relationship with Aikman.

Sounds very strange and pillow biting.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Parcells has tried to develop one, but just hasn't been successful or lucky enough. He drafted someone who was actually a pansy covered by a 6' 4" frame - Jacob Rogers. He inherited Flozell, who he thinks can be all world if he actually concentrates, and tried to actually get him to do that, but apparently, it's like talking to a wall sometimes. He thought he upgraded with Rivera, but the guy's back went out, and apparently is pansy #2 in a 6' 4" frame. He's developed Colombo nicely. He drafted Pat, who from Bill's comments, once he "gets it", is a future superstar in the making. Gurode has been developed and has started to play very well under Parcells. Al Johnson, though technically sound, is pansy #3 in a 6' 4" frame. It's not like he's not tried to upgrade the talent. He's just been unlucky or unsuccessful.

Like I said, ...
Four drafts later, four free agency signing periods later, four years of trade opportunities, four years to train and improve someone already on the roster, and still the No.1 ingredient, the first thing you learn in football 101, the main thing you need to have a winning football team is still lacking here in Dallas.

No excuse.