If Shotty is as good as his dad

[Typhus]

Only a SB will be good enough.
Now is that a SB appearance and lose, or a win. Remains to be seen. Fans may be happy either way, or not.

Right now fans will be happy to get to a NFCCG, and be competitive in it.

We all want another ring but personally would be happy with improved D vs the run first.
When and if that is fixed this team overall elevates significantly and will be right in the mix for possible post season contention.
Until that happens, then the outcome will continue to remain the same.
Run D is this team's largest obstacle.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Marty coached to not lose, and Martyball was always very run heavy.

In an era where the pass game was more disadvantaged by the rules, and frankly an era where many coaches played too conservatively, Martyball could be counted on to set a hard floor for a team. But he never had success beating good teams.

Brian has never been as good as his dad, despite 20 years of chances, and the Martyball style frankly hasn't aged well at all. Passing has become much more "legally" favored by referees, and most NFL coaches have started calling games more aggressively in even the last five years.

Brian's best strength has always been hiding game manager QBs behind mountains of "cloud of dust" inside zone runs. I think Dak is fully in the "hide the game manager" phase of his career, so I think he's a good fit there. Playing to bus-drive and not lose will at least set an OK floor for the 2025 Cowboys, but it's not going to beat any contenders. And in the modern NFL, I don't think it works well even against average opponents, if those opponents are willing to gamble on a couple 4th and 2s while you punt away yours.

That's kind of the hangup I have with the Cowboys. I don't Brian Schottenheimer is going to solve anything this year, but I don't think Tom Landry at HC with Jimmy Johnson as his DC would win anything either. Talent is ultimately more important than coaching, and we don't have great talent right now. So maybe setting a hard floor and bus driving our way to some watchable 8-win football is the best possible outcome for the 2025 season.

 

[DallasEast]

Stop buying in.

I know, it’s impossible for some to not be duped every year, but at least put forth an effort to be fooled every single year.

It should’ve started about halfway through Garrett’s reign, but as you can see, it’s still going strong.

As long as you buy what Jerry sales every single year you’ll get Brian Schottenheimer types as head coaches.

Why? Because if the fans don’t care then why should Jerry? He knows y’all will buy into every decision he makes.

1. Be specific. The entire fanbase does not buy in what Jerry Jones sells. That has not been true for the entire fanbase for decades. Try approximating how much of the fanbase is doing what you claim.
2. 'It should've started about halfway through Garrett's reign' is inaccurate. 'It' should have been (at the latest) before Dave Campo's hiring.
3. Grandiose concepts do not influence narcissists' actions. Well-conceived motivational tactics are the best available options.
4. Fans care. Again, it is how many fans, who do not actually care, that truly fit your assessment.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yeah right. Knowing the cowboys luck, if they did make it to a championship game and lose, I'd be afraid it would be another 10, 20, or 30 more years until they make it again.

If the cowboys make it to the NFCCG, those basterds better win.

If the cowboys had a decent track record of going deep into the playoffs here and there over the last 30, then I would feel comfortable with a NFCCG lose and expecting them to possibly be back there the next year.

That is not the case.

Well, maybe if Brian can get them there. It will set a new trend of going further. And not waiting another 30 years.
Have confidence ... yes hard to do at this point. Another 1 and done this place may explode ...again.....

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

1. Be specific. The entire fanbase does not buy in what Jerry Jones sells. That has not been true for the entire fanbase for decades. Try approximating how much of the fanbase is doing what you claim.
2. 'It should've started about halfway through Garrett's reign' is inaccurate. 'It' should have been (at the latest) before Dave Campo's hiring.
3. Grandiose concepts do not influence narcissists' actions. Well-conceived motivational tactics are the best available options.
4. Fans care. Again, it is how many fans, who do not actually care, that truly fit your assessment.

Ok

 

[SoupcanSam]

Also important to note some of those losses though....

One of those games the kicker missed 3 field goals....do we blame Shotty for missing field goals?

How is this his fault?

They are beating the Pats....corner gets a pick and fumbles it. Game essentially should've and been in their hands at that point.




Here's a history of why that playoff record is what it is.....





I get it.....you are what your record says you are.....but man he had some awful luck.

Rooting for his son. Seems like a genuine good guy. I didn't like the hire and still don't. I don't like that no other team wanted him. I don't like that there wasn't even a search. But for our sake, I hope he has a solid career, and if he's as good as his pops, it will be a good hire.

This video of disappointment just Screems Dallas Cowboys

 

[jazzcat22]

So which one is it?........a SB appearance or an NFCCG appearance?

Tell us which one is good enough and when we will be happy?

We need an official ruling on this before we can proceed

I will wait to make you wonder all season long. I will be concerned on getting to the playoffs first.

I am sure other fans will chime in and give their opinions though. It is what we are here for.
Of course, some will never be happy, and some will always be happy.

Example.... some will be always be happy we lose, some that we win.
Example.... some will be not be happy we lose, some will not be happy if we win.

 

[jazzcat22]

We all want another ring but personally would be happy with improved D vs the run first.
When and if that is fixed this team overall elevates significantly and will be right in the mix for possible post season contention.
Until that happens, then the outcome will continue to remain the same.
Run D is this team's largest obstacle.

Yes, and has been for years. And rears its ugly head even more so in the playoffs.

 

[KJJ]

Will that be good enough for this fan base.

No, because his dad never reached a SB. The only thing that will satisfy the fan base is a championship.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just like the tagline on that last video: A Legacy of Pain. Cowboys fans can relate for the past 30 years, lol.

Yeah I had to turn it off it was hitting to close to hold lol

 

[Typhus]

Yes, and has been for years. And rears its ugly head even more so in the playoffs.

Yet not just for this franchise but for every team historically.
You have to be at least decent vs the run, if not you will not be able to compete down the stretch.

No, because his dad never reached a SB. The only thing that will satisfy the fan base is a championship.

Please don't speak for everyone.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ok

Damn…

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

No, because his dad never reached a SB. The only thing that will satisfy the fan base is a championship.

That’s not true at all with this fanbase.

 

[KJJ]

Yet not just for this franchise but for every team historically.
You have to be at least decent vs the run, if not you will not be able to compete down the stretch.

Please don't speak for everyone.

I’m speaking for the majority. Are you going to be happy with a 5-13 playoff record with not even a SB appearance?

 

[KJJ]

That’s not true at all with this fanbase.

It’s definitely true with this fan base that’s starved for a championship. It’s going on 30 years since the last one. That’s all we keep hearing for the fans. Marty’s playoff record was 5-13. You’re kidding yourself if you think the fan base is going to be satisfied with that. lol

 

[KJJ]

Marty’s playoff record was 5-13. He only won one more playoff game than Romo and Dak who combined for a 4-9 playoff record. The biggest criticism of Romo and Dak is their playoff record. Marty’s biggest problem was in the playoffs which has been the Cowboys biggest problem the past 30 years. The fan base isn’t going to be happy with any HC if the team doesn’t excel in the playoffs. FACT! The Cowboys have had plenty of success in the regular season, it’s the playoffs that’s frustrating everyone.

 

[Rayman70]

Marty was very good at getting players to buy in. He was also good at identifying what works and staying with it. Like running the ball as a staple of the offense. Some coaches get too cute but not Marty. To his credit.They fell short, but it wasn't his fault. So if Brian can come close to his dad, who knows what can happen. No way to tell yet..

 

[fivetwos]

Marty’s playoff futility has not been genetically transferred to his son, but he also isn’t going to be able to overcome not having a complete roster.

Amazing how low the bar has been set. Jerry not only sells failure, he expects everyone to accept it, and most generally do….I assume because of what this team once meant to them.

They just flat out don’t know how to win, the people in charge have no idea how to assemble a winning roster, the supposed leaders would rather have someone else be a leader…and they are never mentally tough as an organization. This “culture change” thing is a joke. Nothing is changing. It’s Jerry’s team and his fingerprints and stink are all over it.

The ego show goes on.

 

[phildadon86]

What exactly should the fanbase have done to coerce Jerry Jones into hiring a better head coaching candidate?

Not accepted it with open arms after this dumb son spit in all of our faces with his stupid air quotes regarding the drought.

This fan base deserves what happens. They do nothing to change it.

I follow AC Milan. They were about to make a very bad coaching hire, you know what happened? The fans protested in Italy outside of the gates of the head office.

Coach wasnt hired. They went online and looked and saw how bad it was and didnt want to upset the fan base.

I almost think Jerry hired BS TOO upset the fan base. Its almost like he is seeing how much he can get away with now, thats fun to him.

Dont believe me? Him not telling his dumb son to shut up in that press conference with the air quotes tells me these guys think we are all hillbilly, dumb, poor, fans.

That is it.

 

[KJJ]

Will that be good enough for this fan base.

His father Marty had over 200 wins and made it to some NFC championship games.

It will not be good enough with a 5-13 playoff record. Marty was 0-3 in Championship games. Two of his Cleveland teams choked with the games on the line. He couldn’t even reach the Super Bowl with Joe Montana as his QB. Not saying Marty wasn’t a great HC, but his teams had the same problems in the playoffs we’ve been having the past 30 years. Reaching title games only to come up short isn’t going to make up for the past 30 years. Coming up short has been the Cowboys biggest problem.