If the AP poll has any decency...

[ABQCOWBOY]

And I don't think teams facing 5 to 6 top ranked teams should lose out to teams who are playing 1 or 2 ranked teams. I agree a better way needs to take place. When you look at the stretch Texas went through over a 5 week period that is a lot of pressure and a pressure that some of these division are not having to face same can be said for other Big 12 and SEC teams. I'm not trying to take away from Utah but many of the Big 12 and SEC would consider that schedule a cake walk.

That is a very good point. That's why we need to allow the teams to prove it on the field. I mean then, you can't dodge anybody. You have to play and win.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Yeah, I guess I don't get it as well as the BSC and every other team, coach and player who are willing to abide by the rules set forth.

Don't confuse willing to abide by with having no choice but to abide by. The latter is clearly more applicable here.

Numerous coaches and players have advocated a playoff system. They only abide by BCS rules because they have no choice.

Oddly enough, an OU win in the MNC game could be the most compelling case for a playoff system: A one-loss OU team sitting atop an undefeated Utah team and a one-loss Texas that beat OU might be the worst indictment against the BCS, ever.

See OU. You are good for something.

:laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

Post of the day.

You may think its post of the day.

But I will never believe a schedule or conference will determine how good of a team you are.

It can determine the success you may have. But it doesn't determine if you are the best team in the country.

 

[Bizwah]

Playing weak teams do not cut it either, they want to claim the perfect record well great but given the fact they played very few ranked teams it is not overly impressive to team who are forced to play several ranked teams in a season.

His post flew right by you.

You act as if Utah and other non-BCS schools don't TRY to schedule the OUs, FLs, or UTs.

They DO try. But higher-profile schools are very wary about scheduling a mid-major type of school. If they get beat....their season is over.

Utah had limited options in who they played. They MUST play their conference schedule. They also MUST try to earn points to impress the BS Brass (oops...did I forget the "C"). But the Penn States, Ohio States, and USCs aren't rushing to play a potentially good team like Utah early in the year. They'll play another good BCS school (ie: OSU and USC) because that won't look as bad if they lose that game.

The bottom line is simple. It's ridiculous for a major college sport to not have their championship decided on the field.

That doesn't take away from FL or OUs seasons.....Shoot, they won't be the first to get the benefit of BS voters.....dang, I keep forgetting the "C"....and unfortunately, they won't be the last.

 

[Route 66]

Don't confuse willing to abide by with having no choice but to abide by. The latter is clearly more applicable here.

Numerous coaches and players have advocated a playoff system. They only abide by BCS rules because they have no choice.

Oddly enough, an OU win in the MNC game could be the most compelling case for a playoff system: A one-loss OU team sitting atop an undefeated Utah team and a one-loss Texas that beat OU might be the worst indictment against the BCS, ever.

See OU. You are good for something.

:laugh2:

And I will remind you that if you consider Texas dominant to OU because you guys won, then you have to bring in the entire season. Sooooo, that means that the Texas Tech team that beat you was spanked soundly by OU. We also went into OSUs home and whipped them but Texas barely squeaked by with 3 pts on their own turf. Any team can beat any team. Like I said in another thread, it is the great teams that lessen those odds but ANY team can be beaten.

OU happened to lose that day. If Texas is indeed dominant over OU, then they would not have lost to TT or barely scraped by OSU. And yes, we ARE good for something, good enough to be playing in two days for crystal.

:laugh1: :laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

And I will remind you that if you consider Texas dominant to OU because you guys won, then you have to bring in the entire season. Sooooo, that means that the Texas Tech team that beat you was spanked soundly by OU. We also went into OSUs home and whipped them but Texas barely squeaked by with 3 pts on their own turf. Any team can beat any team. Like I said in another thread, it is the great teams that lessen those odds but ANY team can be beaten.

OU happened to lose that day. If Texas is indeed dominant over OU, then they would not have lost to TT or barely scraped by OSU. And yes, we ARE good for something, good enough to be playing in two days for crystal.

:laugh1: :laugh2:

I know OU fans love to sit around and think they are better than Texas.

At one point in time that was true.

But 3 out of the last 4 years Texas has Beaton you guys.

All you did this year was catch a lucky break.

Texas is currently the better program and next year already seems like a lock for Texas to make it 4 out of 5.

 

[MC KAos]

i love lamp!!!

in all seriousness, i dont think that OU and Florida dont deserve to be playing in the national championship, because they do deserve to play in it. the problem is that there are 2 or 3 other teams that deserve to be in that game just as much. the problem is the system, bottom line

 

[Route 66]

I know OU fans love to sit around and think they are better than Texas.

At one point in time that was true.

But 3 out of the last 4 years Texas has Beaton you guys.

All you did this year was catch a lucky break.

Texas is currently the better program and next year already seems like a lock for Texas to make it 4 out of 5.

It's amazing how backwards you have it. Look at the entire season. Oh wait, you can't because you are still tickled that you guys beat OU this past year. You still look the other way when I mention that at any given time, anybody can beat anybody. However, if you take the rest of the season or even the same teams the Horns and Sooners faced, you will see a trend and that trend is OU dominated their opponents.

If Texas is the better program, then explain to me how you guys lost to TT and we had no problem spanking them? Explain to me how you could be getting that "lucky break" you speak of against OSU and squeakkkk by with a three point win on YOUR field all the meanwhile we went to their turf and thrashed them?

Can't can ya?

 

[Route 66]

i love lamp!!!

in all seriousness, i dont think that OU and Florida dont deserve to be playing in the national championship, because they do deserve to play in it. the problem is that there are 2 or 3 other teams that deserve to be in that game just as much. the problem is the system, bottom line

Exactly spot on. And the merry go round yet circles again.

 

[MC KAos]

It's amazing how backwards you have it. Look at the entire season. Oh wait, you can't because you are still tickled that you guys beat OU this past year. You still look the other way when I mention that at any given time, anybody can beat anybody. However, if you take the rest of the season or even the same teams the Horns and Sooners faced, you will see a trend and that trend is OU dominated their opponents.

If Texas is the better program, then explain to me how you guys lost to TT and we had no problem spanking them? Explain to me how you could be getting that "lucky break" you speak of against OSU and squeakkkk by with a three point win on YOUR field all the meanwhile we went to their turf and thrashed them?

Can't can ya?

i can, you gotta see the situation as a whole. you say that we need to look at the entire body of work, so lets look at the things that led up to the thing you just pointed out.

Texas had just gone through one of the hardest schedules in the history of college football by rank. no team has EVER beat 4 top 15 ranked teams in a row. Texas was playing a team that hates us more than just about anyone and they would take ANYONE to the wire in lubbock. case in point, oklahoma hasnt beaten them in lubbock in the last two tries. the fact of the matter is that tech is a completely different team at home than on the road.

tech was coming off a similar schedule, where they played 4 ranked teams straight, its difficult to do, specially in a hostile environment

ill reiterate it again, OU deserves to be there, but no more or less than texas and USC do

 

[ScipioCowboy]

And I will remind you that if you consider Texas dominant to OU because you guys won, then you have to bring in the entire season. Sooooo, that means that the Texas Tech team that beat you was spanked soundly by OU. We also went into OSUs home and whipped them but Texas barely squeaked by with 3 pts on their own turf. Any team can beat any team. Like I said in another thread, it is the great teams that lessen those odds but ANY team can be beaten.

OU happened to lose that day. If Texas is indeed dominant over OU, then they would not have lost to TT or barely scraped by OSU. And yes, we ARE good for something, good enough to be playing in two days for crystal.

:laugh1: :laugh2:

Where, pray tell, did I ever imply that Texas was dominant?

I'm merely pointing out that folly inherent to an OU national championship: If a one-loss OU teams wins the MNC, they'll be sitting atop an undefeated Utah team (that is coming off a BCS victory over a team ranked number one much of the season) and a one-loss Texas team (that defeated OU earlier in the season). It's certain to add to the current rancor against the BCS.

At this point, Texas Tech is no longer in the discussion because they have two losses--much like Florida's loss against a subpar LSU team is no longer applicable.

Oh, and about your impending bowl appearance, try not to embarrass the Big 12 too badly again.

:laugh2:

Hopefully, you'll be able to hold your opponent to less than 55 points this time.

 

[Route 66]

Where, pray tell, did I ever imply that Texas was dominant?

I'm merely pointing out that folly inherent to an OU national championship: If a one-loss OU teams wins the MNC, they'll be sitting atop an undefeated Utah team (that is coming off a BCS victory over a team ranked number one much of the season) and a one-loss Texas team (that defeated OU earlier in the season). It's certain to add to the current rancor against the BCS.

At this point, Texas Tech is no longer in the discussion because they have two losses--much like Florida's loss against a subpar LSU team is no longer applicable.

Oh, and about your impending bowl appearance, try not to embarrass the Big 12 too badly again.

:laugh2:

Hopefully, you'll be able to hold your opponent to less than 55 points this time.

If Texas was playing for the Championship against Florida, you know as well as I do and everyone else here you would think you deserve to be there. A one loss Texas team that lost to the team we spanked by the way. I can play this broken record over and over. You use that win as an argument and throw everything else out the window. It doesn't work that way my little Tostitos friend.

 

[Route 66]

Oh, and about your impending bowl appearance, try not to embarrass the Big 12 too badly again.

:laugh2:

Hopefully, you'll be able to hold your opponent to less than 55 points this time.

And this is coming from someone who is celebrating a win they scraped by with in a Tostitos Bowl? Not exactly a convincing domination by any stretch. Don't worry, we will represent quite well. I'm not too concerned about the score seeing as how we can score more than 3 points you scrounged up in the entire first half of your bowl appearance.

Way to represent there! :laugh1: :laugh2:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

And this is coming from someone who is celebrating a win they scraped by with in a Tostitos Bowl? Not exactly a convincing domination by any stretch. Don't worry, we will represent quite well. I'm not too concerned about the score seeing as how we can score more than 3 points you scrounged up in the entire first half of your bowl appearance.

The operative word there is win--something that OU hasn't been doing in recent bowl games, especially BCS bowls. In fact, the bigger the bowl game, the worse OU tends to lose.

Way to represent there! :laugh1: :laugh2:

That's right. Winning in bowl games, especially BCS bowl games, is how a team represents its conference. Given OU's recent bowl track record, I can see where you might have forgotten. Sooner fans would do well to start with the simple concept of winning in bowl games before criticizing the manner in which other teams win their bowl games.

Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If Texas was playing for the Championship against Florida, you know as well as I do and everyone else here you would think you deserve to be there. A one loss Texas team that lost to the team we spanked by the way. I can play this broken record over and over. You use that win as an argument and throw everything else out the window. It doesn't work that way my little Tostitos friend.

Incorrect.

If Texas were in OU's position, I would hold the same opinion: It's ridiculous that Utah, an undefeated BCS winner, has no chance at winning the national championship.

And your logic regarding Tech has interesting consequences: Given that Texas beat OU by 10 and OSU by 3, it's reasonable to conclude (by your logic) that OSU would beat OU by 7. Clearly, the Fiesta Bowl would've marked yet another BCS defeat in Sooner history.

 

[Route 66]

The operative word there is win--something that OU hasn't been doing in recent bowl games, especially BCS bowls. In fact, the bigger the bowl game, the worse OU tends to lose.

That's right. Winning in bowl games, especially BCS bowl games, is how a team represents its conference. Given OU's recent bowl track record, I can see where you might have forgotten. Sooner fans would do well to start with the simple concept of winning in bowl games before criticizing the manner in which other teams win their bowl games.

Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.

Poor, poor example of representation. I guarantee you that any team in this entire country would rather have a chance at the big bowl game win or lose and at least have the chance. I could care less if OU lost 10 out of the past 12 National Title Attempts and at least played for it.

But keep that smug grin on....:laugh2:

 

[Route 66]

Incorrect.

If Texas were in OU's position, I would hold the same opinion: It's ridiculous that Utah, an undefeated BCS winner, has no chance at winning the national championship.

And your logic regarding Tech has interesting consequences: Given that Texas beat OU by 10 and OSU by 3, it's reasonable to conclude (by your logic) that OSU would beat OU by 7. Clearly, the Fiesta Bowl would've marked yet another BCS defeat in Sooner history.

I should have seen it before but I can tell you are simply one of those who can't see the big picture. That's ok. If you need help, I'll provide...

Just because Utah or Billy Joe Bob's Football Crew went their entire season undefeated is simply a claim, nothing more. You have to see WHAT teams they beat to go undefeated. That's what really matters. Who cares if a team goes undefeated and they weren't even up to the level of the top 25? Bringing up the argument that it isn't their fault isn't any other college's fault either. That's why as tainted as it is, the BCS figures in strength of schedule.

That last paragraph of "interesting consequences" had zero logic to it so I can't even comment on something that does not make any sense whatsoever.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Poor, poor example of representation. I guarantee you that any team in this entire country would rather have a chance at the big bowl game win or lose and at least have the chance. I could care less if OU lost 10 out of the past 12 National Title Attempts and at least played for it.

But keep that smug grin on....:laugh2:

The topic wasn't what you cared about. It was representation. Don't change the subject simply because your argument is going down in flames.

It's laughable that you--a fan of a team that received a 40 point shellacking in their last national championship appearance--would try to judge the merits of another team's representation in bowl games, especially a team that has won its last 3 BCS appearances.
:laugh2:

As I said earlier, please don't embarrass the Big 12 again.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I should have seen it before but I can tell you are simply one of those who can't see the big picture. That's ok. If you need help, I'll provide...

Just because Utah or Billy Joe Bob's Football Crew went their entire season undefeated is simply a claim, nothing more. You have to see WHAT teams they beat to go undefeated. That's what really matters. Who cares if a team goes undefeated and they weren't even up to the level of the top 25? Bringing up the argument that it isn't their fault isn't any other college's fault either. That's why as tainted as it is, the BCS figures in strength of schedule.

If Billy Joe Bob's Football Crew went undefeated and finished their season in a BCS bowl where they dominated a team ranked number one for much of the season, Bill Joe Bob's Football Crew would have a legitimate gripe if they had no chance at contending for a national title, especially if the teams contending for a national title were not undefeated.

You see, the name and pedigree of the school is irrelevant. Every team should be judged by its on-field merits and accomplishments, regardless of whether the school is named Utah, Boise State, or West Virginia. The quality of their football isn't diminished simply because they don't have names like Texas, OU, or Florida. And Given OU's recent performance in BCS bowls against small-time schools such as Boise State, one would think that you, of all people, would understand this.

Clearly, if anyone has a difficulty grasping the bigger picture, it's you, which is quite surprising given that the bigger picture has been beating you over the head in bowl games for a number of years now.

That last paragraph of "interesting consequences" had zero logic to it so I can't even comment on something that does not make any sense whatsoever.

Good call. That was the entire point. I was mimicking your logic.

 

[Route 66]

The topic wasn't what you cared about. It was representation. Don't change the subject simply because your argument is going down in flames.

It's laughable that you--a fan of a team that received a 40 point shellacking in their last national championship appearance--would try to judge the merits of another team's representation in bowl games, especially a team that has won its last 3 BCS appearances.
:laugh2:

As I said earlier, please don't embarrass the Big 12 again.

Bet you couldn't wait to get off work to run to the PC and start this up again. I've already worked a lot of this out with Doomsday and ABQ today so I could really care less stirring this all back up again. All you do is smack talk and not talk football. At least others leave the childish crap alone. Enjoy the mirror.