If the Cowboys could add a historic player?

[noshame]

Captain comeback. Period.

 

[xwalker]

Probably. The football player has evolved into a bigger being over time. White came into the NFL weighing 235 pounds. I would bet that he would not have left Maryland in 2005 as opposed to 1975 weighing that amount.

Players frames haven't necessarily gotten bigger - year round training, better nutrition, and training beginning at youth levels have resulted in bigger, stronger and faster athletes.

Conversely, if you took linemen these days, and moved them back to 1975, they wouldn't have been as large as they are now either.

So Larry Allen would have played at 260 if he had played in 1975 ?

 

[Plankton]

So Larry Allen would have played at 260 if he had played in 1975 ?

I would wager that he wouldn't have been 330 pounds. How many 300 pounders were there in the NFL in 1975? Do you seriously think that a player from today would be built the same way in terms of musculature and girth if you were to transplant them back 30 years in time from birth, where sports nutrition was theory, and weightlifting and weight training was rudimentary in sports? Also, with the salary structure of that time, without the time in the offseason to train, do you really think guys would pack pounds of muscle on?

 

[IAmLegend]

No contest.

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[BoysFan4ever]

Dick Butkus. Just cause I've seen the video & know he was a hard ***.

 

[xwalker]

I would wager that he wouldn't have been 330 pounds. How many 300 pounders were there in the NFL in 1975? Do you seriously think that a player from today would be built the same way in terms of musculature and girth if you were to transplant them back 30 years in time from birth, where sports nutrition was theory, and weightlifting and weight training was rudimentary in sports? Also, with the salary structure of that time, without the time in the offseason to train, do you really think guys would pack pounds of muscle on?

I think LA was probably over 260 in middle school.

Weight lifting was not that prehistoric back then. Randy White benched 550. That's a good number for a guy in the modern era.

 

[joseephuss]

At this point.
1 - Staubach
2 - Lilly
3 - White

Danny would be a better backup QB option. Oh, you meant Randy. Sorry.

 

[Plankton]

I think LA was probably over 260 in middle school.

Weight lifting was not that prehistoric back then. Randy White benched 550. That's a good number for a guy in the modern era.

You aren't grasping the point.

The NFL wasn't populated with players in the 1970's that were Larry Allen's size. Whether Larry Allen was 260 in middle school back in the mid 1980's has little to do with this. People who played football back in the 1970s were not this size. It has everything to do with the non-specialized nature of weight training during this time period. Players did not do the year round training back then that they do now. Football conditioning was different as well during camp. Landry had his players run a mile on the first day of camp. That would never happen now. Things evolve. Offensive linemen back in those times were much more tapered in their builds.

To think that Bob Lilly or Randy White wouldn't have been larger 30 or 40 years into the future with the advances in nutrition, weight training, conditioning, and the salary structure of the league resulting in year round training for players is not paying attention to how the game, and society has evolved.

Also, to think that Larry Allen would go back 20+ years from when he graduated from Sonoma State and would be 330 pounds as he was in 1994 is ignoring what players of that era were like size wise given the circumstances of nutrition, weight training and conditioning in general.

Yes, Randy White benched 550 pounds once he got his weight to 260 pounds. It doesn't mean that he was "maxed out" size wise back then. It meant that he was exceptionally strong for his size, and his utilization of steroids helped as well.

 

[xwalker]

You aren't grasping the point.

The NFL wasn't populated with players in the 1970's that were Larry Allen's size. Whether Larry Allen was 260 in middle school back in the mid 1980's has little to do with this. People who played football back in the 1970s were not this size. It has everything to do with the non-specialized nature of weight training during this time period. Players did not do the year round training back then that they do now. Football conditioning was different as well during camp. Landry had his players run a mile on the first day of camp. That would never happen now. Things evolve. Offensive linemen back in those times were much more tapered in their builds.

To think that Bob Lilly or Randy White wouldn't have been larger 30 or 40 years into the future with the advances in nutrition, weight training, conditioning, and the salary structure of the league resulting in year round training for players is not paying attention to how the game, and society has evolved.

Also, to think that Larry Allen would go back 20+ years from when he graduated from Sonoma State and would be 330 pounds as he was in 1994 is ignoring what players of that era were like size wise given the circumstances of nutrition, weight training and conditioning in general.

Yes, Randy White benched 550 pounds once he got his weight to 260 pounds. It doesn't mean that he was "maxed out" size wise back then. It meant that he was exceptionally strong for his size, and his utilization of steroids helped as well.

You can't just assume that those guys would be All-Pro players at 280 playing against OLinemen that went from 255 to 320. Maybe they would, but there is no way to know.

 

[Plankton]

You can't just assume that those guys would be All-Pro players at 280 playing against OLinemen that went from 255 to 320. Maybe they would, but there is no way to know.

Where did I even state that they would be All-Pro players? I spoke of physical stature, and history and evolution seem to back up my contention on the size of athletes relative to the era and circumstance of when they played.

I guess you didn't understand the point.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Larry Allen. He would be the "big brother" this team needs to protect them from the NFL bullies. The stories are endless. Guys would get phantom injuries to avoid playing him. Deion Sanders was quoted as saying Larry Allen was the MVP of the NFL. Guys would FEAR hitting Romo late like it often happens. He would bring that physical, nasty missing piece this team needs...especially with all the cold weather games on the road in December. This guy could have played in any era. People cannot grasp how superior Larry Allen would be to all of the "highly touted" OL playing today. He would set the "tone" for this team and give it an idenity.

 

[superjoe]

Sorry, only 9er i like is the best one to put on the butterscotch and wine.

Joe Montana wins us the superbowl

 

[Redball Express]

Bob Lilly.

I say him becuz he was like JJ Watts is now.

They triple teamed him and he still destroyed offenses every week.

Also, because I dated his ex-wife while going to SMU.

She was a stunner..

first time I went over to pick her up at her home in Highland Park to go out..

she showed me in and I walked around the home and walked in the den..

Oh my..

he still had all his trophies and mounted jerseys hanging on the walls.

She walked in and saw me looking at it and she said..

"Oh..I guess I should have told you I was married. to Bob Lilly, but guys get really intimidated about it..

..so I don't, really say anything about it. Is this going to be a problem because I really like you and hope it doesn't.."

I grinned and said,

"Nope, not for me. I'm a huge Cowboys fan and would love to meet him"

She said..

"No.. that's not a good idea. Bob was the jealous type.."

so I had to settle for her..haha.

No autographs..

no problem.

A great Cowboy fan memory..

 

[joseephuss]

In 1999, he was ranked number 10 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, the highest-ranking defensive lineman and the highest-ranking Cowboy. The only defensive players ranked ahead of Lilly were Dick Butkus and Lawrence Taylor. Sports Illustrated named him one of the ten most revolutionary defensive players.

 

[HoustonSucks]

I said Too Tall earlier and look... he's already in London... lol!

 

[JohnsKey19]

Any player: Reggie White. I think we're a pass rusher away from being a Super Bowl team.
Cowboys player: Charles Haley. See above.

My choices for both.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

Roger Staubach, easily. I'm 24, so I wasn't around for the 70's, but man it would be a treat to see him play with this team. Romo can't be trusted to stay healthy.

 

[Zekeats]

Staubach..........give me the QB who is the general and is always on the field.....oh, and I never even seen him play

 

[Zekeats]

Non Cowboys player.....Peyton Manning would put us in the Super Bowl

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Reggie White. The best DL to ever play the game.

He routinely beat double and triple teams and he'd have to with this team.

Ya he was a force until he played them cowboys then he was no where to be found