If the top 11 go something like this, who is your guy?

Sanders at QB.

The pressure from Deion to play him and Sanders being a strong personality himself will break Dak.

Feed me the drama.
So the goal is to break Dak but not improve the Cowboys. As you said you want drama and not Cowboys improving.

Wow. Just wow. We knew who you were but man you just spelled it out yourself. I am sure you will try to spin yourself out of this with "if dak goes we improve"
 
Is Hampton just not on everyone's radar? Why wouldn't he be a good pick? Are all of you thinking of just getting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd?
I was thinking someone would respond with Hampton. I have not seen him mocked to us and was under the impression that would be a reach. Also, very good and deep RB draft. Not sure Hampton I’m the 1st is that much better than player X in the 2nd or 3rd.
 
Roy Williams the WR has also scared me off of Texas WRs. I know he’s a different type of player than Golden, but I think the Texas media in general has a huge bias toward players from Texas or who play in Texas. I hated that Williams move when it happened but I remember that move widely celebrated on this board. I just think many people here hear a lot of Texas hype so when I see it on the board I’m always skeptical.

I’m not from or in Texas. I haven’t heard that Golden is a top ten like player. From what I’ve heard he’d be a reach anywhere around 10. He looks like a sub 6ft guy, speed guy without a 1,000 yard season. That’s not typically a top half of the draft kind of WR. I’m sure there has been a guy like this taken this early but I doubt it’s common.

He doesn’t look like Nabers or Odunze from last year or multiple other top 10ish WR’s in the past. I can’t see a scenario where Golden is BPA or very close to it at 12.
Yep. He had 8 games with 50 yards or less last year. The two years prior he had 38 catches each year. Can’t imagine this guy going 4 slots better than what CD did. It’s nuts.
 
So the goal is to break Dak but not improve the Cowboys. As you said you want drama and not Cowboys improving.

Wow. Just wow. We knew who you were but man you just spelled it out yourself. I am sure you will try to spin yourself out of this with "if dak goes we improve"
There is a very real argument that if Dak’s cap hit goes… we may vastly improve.

I would probably take the much younger Sanders on a 5 year deal plus $45M in cap space over Dak if there was anyway out of that cap hit/dead money.

Taking Sanders may work if you could swing a Denver/Wilson situation cap wise.
 
Josh Simmons LT Ohio State would be my pick. Move Guyton to RT and designate Steele a June 1st cut. Get out of Steeles bad contract.
I started digging into Simmons yesterday. I don’t know much about him but I think that could be a good pick. Many would say a stretch but in this scenario that might be a good pick.
 
You like James Pearce at 12?

L's in your face.

No, I don't. I don't like Nolan at 12 either. But the fact is, if Dallas picks at 12, they don't pick again until 44 so they might as well pick a player they like who won't be there later.

My feeling about this draft is there are a few players worth of a top 12 pick but after that a lot of guys who fall into a closely match bunch. I would be happy to take a number of them at 20 or later.

My first choice is trade down and get another 3rd at least.
 
So the goal is to break Dak but not improve the Cowboys. As you said you want drama and not Cowboys improving.

Wow. Just wow. We knew who you were but man you just spelled it out yourself. I am sure you will try to spin yourself out of this with "if dak goes we improve"
Feed. Me. The. Drama.

Dak quitting (as usual) WILL improve the Cowboys. It did last season.
 
If you’re on the clock with no trade options and the following are taken.

Ward, Hunter, Carter, Jeanty, Membou, Warren, Walker, McMillan, Graham, Campbell are gone and either Johnson/Williams are picked by 11.

Who is the pick?
Dude we've been talking about this for weeks now you obviously have to trade down which I think they should do anyway I don't believe there's a big gap between the top 4 wide receivers or the top four running backs if you can come away with this draft with one of each out of those four we've been discussing that's a win for the Cowboys now nobody knows how any of this is going to workout until these guys hit the field for some significant live real football games we've seen that scenario before there's going to be some big disappointing picks that had big names that just didn't get it done..

You know similar to I remember when Washington took that pass rusher, Chase Young everyone thought they were about to be set for a decade at pass rush and what happened? he's just now turning into an average pass rusher in the NFL he's not better than some of our backups in Golston and Armstrong.. #2 overall player gets you 5.5 sacks year and no longer on your team.. OUCH!! What I remember is our fan base thought Washington was about to take a leap in that we were in trouble that's what happens with the draft you fall in love with a player hell we can even stay on pass rush the number one overall pick Clowney, Dude has fifty eight sacks in ten years going on year eleven. That's under six sacks a year and that's why I always wonder how some of y'all are riding Micah Park since early in his career why he's doing things that not many great pass freshers have done just remember those pics lol .
 
I'd be good with most of the popular names other than Golden. I would hate that pick at 12. I don't think he is a top 20 talent and personally I think he is only a borderline fist rounder and as huge bust potential. To me any pick outside of the top 10 or so starts with the medical review of Simmons. I'm not sure if he is even on their radar or not because of his injury but if they feel he is not in any way a medical risk he is right there for me. Also, you weren't specific on Johnson. If he is there he is one of my top choices along with Campbell, Harmon and my personal "outside of the box" guy who is Emmanwori. I think he is going to be an absolute stud and a great fit for this team.
 
Sanders unless his circle has put word out that he is not sitting and wants to be a turn-key starter

QB is so important to posters...why not take this chance if the talent is lame this year and there is no trade down on the table.

Might as well swing for the fences.

Also, Jerry could sell his jersey. He could sell hope of a potential great backup and future starter. Would work in Jerry's favor. He could profit off the QB controversy even though he seems to avoid allowing a QB contraversy...he could make headlines with this situation
 
Roy Williams the WR has also scared me off of Texas WRs. I know he’s a different type of player than Golden, but I think the Texas media in general has a huge bias toward players from Texas or who play in Texas. I hated that Williams move when it happened but I remember that move widely celebrated on this board. I just think many people here hear a lot of Texas hype so when I see it on the board I’m always skeptical.

I’m not from or in Texas. I haven’t heard that Golden is a top ten like player. From what I’ve heard he’d be a reach anywhere around 10. He looks like a sub 6ft guy, speed guy without a 1,000 yard season. That’s not typically a top half of the draft kind of WR. I’m sure there has been a guy like this taken this early but I doubt it’s common.

He doesn’t look like Nabers or Odunze from last year or multiple other top 10ish WR’s in the past. I can’t see a scenario where Golden is BPA or very close to it at 12.
You know this is crazier than don't take Michigan players because of recent history this is something happened that 20 years ago and you're still holding Texas wide receivers in the Dallas Cowboys hostage from picking anybody from that school because of something to happen so long ago?!! :facepalm: That's utterly insane and not how it works scout scout players each year and there are different players and I'm sorry but if you didn't watch them and you don't know anything about them then you'd know that he's a good wide receiver he's really good if you use his numbers and take away the fact that he had to share the ball with a bunch of other players in an offense that purposely distributes the ball to a lot of players especially in the air they dump down so many passes to three different running backs and they also had bond was supposed to be the top wide receiver so it took a while with bond getting injured for them to start feeding Matthew Golden a little more but this dude had 18 yards per catch he catch balls in traffic he made tough catches at the sideline, a good radius and blazing speed.

How that translates into the NFL nobody knows they don't know that about the other three receivers either there's 4 wide receivers that might go in the first round or at least they considered a top 4 wide receivers he deserves to be among the ones debated but nobody knows how any of them are going to translate how do you know that Ibuka or tech aren't going to turn into the next legged or mingo? How many wide receivers did Philadelphia in the New York Giants go through year after year trying to find ones in the draft to work out how come they didn't workout some of the top names in the draft that turned out to be busts.

I'm not saying that's my target i'm saying that I believe you should trade down to make it less risk you pick one of these 4WIDE receivers in the first round i'm going to allow the front office to figure out which one fits this offense better they have enough new coaches on this offensive staff to know what they want to run this year that's who they should target and they should not be scared of picking Matthew Golden he is really solid and has potential he has just as much potential as the other three I don't want to hear about how big and tall and how they can jump that doesn't make them Dez,

Because they can also be the next Justin Blackmon yes I'm pulling these names out because it came from other schools some schools with big names..

I want to caution you in picking on Texas wide receivers and why don't you just go look at the history the draft is not a perfect place scouts and mock drafts and the media do not know everything that is why players drop they get over picked they get reached for or sometimes they drop and they're better but just please stop picking on schools this has nothing to do with Michigan or Texas these players happen to be better than their counterparts..
  • John Ross (2020, Bengals):
    Selected 9th overall, Ross's rookie season was plagued by injuries and he never quite lived up to his draft profile.

  • Jalen Reagor (2020, Eagles):
    Selected 21st overall, Reagor's NFL career has been underwhelming, and he has struggled to find consistent playing time.

  • Jerry Jeudy (2020, Broncos):
    Drafted 15th overall, Jeudy has shown flashes of potential, but has not yet become the dominant receiver many expected.

  • Henry Ruggs (2020, Raiders):
    While Ruggs had some productive moments in his first two seasons, his career was tragically cut short due to off-field issues.

  • Darnell Mooney (2020, Bears):
    While Mooney was a late-round pick, he became a key target for the Bears and many viewed his selection to be a good pick.

  • Chase Claypool (2020, Bears):
    Drafted in the second round (not first), Claypool has had a difficult time in his career and has been traded to another team.
  • Jarrod Bunch (1991, pick 41):
    Bunch, a Michigan product, showed some promise early on but knee injuries hampered his development. He was released by the Giants in 1994 and retired from the NFL in 1995.

  • Deandre Baker (2019, pick 30):
    Baker was traded back into the first round to select him, despite already having selected Daniel Jones and Dexter Lawrence earlier in the round. He struggled on the field, admitted he didn't know the playbook, and was arrested for armed robbery, leading to his release after one season.

  • Kadarius Toney (2021, pick 20):
    Toney was drafted as a dynamic receiver with run-after-catch potential, but injuries and off-field issues led to his trade to the Kansas City Chiefs in 2022. He eventually quit football to become a rapper.
 
way too many studs available to take him early.
Exactly, if they can avoid it they should not take a running back in the first round even if they trade down the only way I would take Hampton or Henderson would be late in the first round and if the top 4 wide receivers were already gone or whoever the else they might target because you can get a really good running back in the 2nd round they know this there's no reason to reach...
 
Josh Simmons LT Ohio State would be my pick. Move Guyton to RT and designate Steele a June 1st cut. Get out of Steeles bad contract.
I would draft Simmons, then try to get a 4th for Guyton. Steele is better than Guyton will ever be.
 
Roy Williams the WR has also scared me off of Texas WRs. I know he’s a different type of player than Golden, but I think the Texas media in general has a huge bias toward players from Texas or who play in Texas. I hated that Williams move when it happened but I remember that move widely celebrated on this board. I just think many people here hear a lot of Texas hype so when I see it on the board I’m always skeptical.

I’m not from or in Texas. I haven’t heard that Golden is a top ten like player. From what I’ve heard he’d be a reach anywhere around 10. He looks like a sub 6ft guy, speed guy without a 1,000 yard season. That’s not typically a top half of the draft kind of WR. I’m sure there has been a guy like this taken this early but I doubt it’s common.

He doesn’t look like Nabers or Odunze from last year or multiple other top 10ish WR’s in the past. I can’t see a scenario where Golden is BPA or very close to it at 12.
So you think Xavier Worthy isn't going to be a good player he was picked in the first round last year he seems to be developing fine and golden is actually 20 pounds heavier and almost as fast very similar players it's not a media it's actually scouts it's actually people who watch the games that know Matthew Golden belongs in the conversation with these other three top wide receivers in the 1st round I don't think any of them should be taken at 12 if you can trade down and still get one of the four because that's less of a risk and you pick up extra draft picks because there's no guarantees but can you stop picking on schools it's something that happened 20 years ago but

I don't get it....Let it go.. It's as bad as the Michigan bias just because they made a couple of bad pics there doesn't mean the three prospects they have this year are going to see the same fate so it's a good thing that you're not a GM and that you're not picking today that would be sad and scary let's just edit out whole schools wholesale just leave them out because of the school's history with certain players in drafts even though it doesn't hold true except for those years.... Because we could look around Michigan players would do want to list all the good ones the last 10 years I mean doesn't Detroit Lions have one of the top pass rushers in the league didn't he come from Michigan recently but nobody wants a defensive line or a Michigan pass rusher or tackle because oh my God Taco and Mazzi didn't workout:facepalm:
 
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Roy Williams the WR has also scared me off of Texas WRs. I know he’s a different type of player than Golden, but I think the Texas media in general has a huge bias toward players from Texas or who play in Texas. I hated that Williams move when it happened but I remember that move widely celebrated on this board. I just think many people here hear a lot of Texas hype so when I see it on the board I’m always skeptical.

I’m not from or in Texas. I haven’t heard that Golden is a top ten like player. From what I’ve heard he’d be a reach anywhere around 10. He looks like a sub 6ft guy, speed guy without a 1,000 yard season. That’s not typically a top half of the draft kind of WR. I’m sure there has been a guy like this taken this early but I doubt it’s common.

He doesn’t look like Nabers or Odunze from last year or multiple other top 10ish WR’s in the past. I can’t see a scenario where Golden is BPA or very close to it at 12.
And What if some of us look at TEt aaand Ebuka or Burden and we see Leggette, Mingo, and or Ruggs


I mean we can do this all day, I mean we want to hold other players hostage because of things that's happened in the past? I really don't see any of these guys that wouldn't be a risk at 12 that's why you move down.. There's hardly any gap in my opinion for the top four wide receivers including Golden so you move down and take one of them as long as you come away with one of the top 4 we're talking about and our front office thinks they're a good fit for our new scheme then you take him it doesn't matter what school they went to doesn't matter who they remind you of that's not who they are...​
 

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