If Waters signs next week, over/under on contract $'s?

[Idgit]

Can't argue with anything you've said here.

But I've always been a risk/reward type and I definitely believe reward outweighs risk here.

At the end of the day, I do, too.

 

[boysfanindc]

I think that's likely, but it's not necessarily a given. If his legs have gone out, he very well could be completely done at 36. Or it could be a case where he plays well for 10 weeks and then his play trails off late when you need him most.

I agree, while the reports say he is in good shape, I would also be a little worried early that he gets a groin or hamstring tweak as he has not hit in awhile.

 

[BlindFaith]

I agree, while the reports say he is in good shape, I would also be a little worried early that he gets a groin or hamstring tweak as he has not hit in awhile.

Where are these reports that he's in good shape? Word around the street? The guy wasn't in good shape at the start of last year. Why would anyone think that a year off and getting paid to NOT play would inspire him to be in game shape? Because Jethro at 24 Hour Fitness saw him bench 400lbs?

 

[boysfanindc]

Where are these reports that he's in good shape? Word around the street? The guy wasn't in good shape at the start of last year. Why would anyone think that a year off and getting paid to NOT play would inspire him to be in game shape? Because Jethro at 24 Hour Fitness saw him bench 400lbs?

Where are these reports that he's in good shape? Word around the street? The guy wasn't in good shape at the start of last year. Why would anyone think that a year off and getting paid to NOT play would inspire him to be in game shape? Because Jethro at 24 Hour Fitness saw him bench 400lbs?

You mean BlindFaith does not have any Blind Faith?

 

[Stash]

Where are these reports that he's in good shape? Word around the street? The guy wasn't in good shape at the start of last year. Why would anyone think that a year off and getting paid to NOT play would inspire him to be in game shape? Because Jethro at 24 Hour Fitness saw him bench 400lbs?

See the link in the other thread. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.

It seems the only news you will accept about him is bad news.

 

[BlindFaith]

You mean BlindFaith does not have any Blind Faith?

Hey, its' good stuff but not worth quoting twice.

My blindness in faith is targeted towards the team. If they pick him up, I'll have to have faith that he's not the sandbagging, over the hill money grabber I get the feeling he is.

 

[BlindFaith]

See the link in the other thread. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.

It seems the only news you will accept about him is bad news.

I'd hardly deem a tweet from one of the biggest media shills in the dfw area "news". But you accepting it as that explains a lot.

 

[Stash]

I'd hardly deem a tweet from one of the biggest media shills in the dfw area "news". But you accepting it as that explains a lot.

But you'll accept bad news on him from over a year ago from a reporter of the team he didn't want to play for?

That sure seems fair...

 

[BlindFaith]

But you'll accept bad news on him from over a year ago from a reporter of the team he didn't want to play for?

That sure seems fair...

Its a fact that he didn't show up to play. Its a fact that the Patriots offered him more money and he still refused to play. Its a fact that his contract was guaranteed. Its a fact that he said he wanted to play in Texas. Its a fact that the Pats kept him on the reserve/did not report list so he couldn't get his way. Is that the bad news you were talking about?

Or the comment on him being out of shape after he refused to explain himself?

 

[Stash]

Its a fact that he didn't show up to play.

Agreed.

Its a fact that the Patriots offered him more money and he still refused to play.

Rumored, not fact. Shalise Manza Young is the source for that rumor.

Its a fact that his contract was guaranteed.

Inaccurate.

Its a fact that he said he wanted to play in Texas.

Huge fact. Biggest one here.

Its a fact that the Pats kept him on the reserve/did not report list so he couldn't get his way. Is that the bad news you were talking about?

No. Patriots were within their rights to do that.

Or the comment on him being out of shape after he refused to explain himself?

Yeah, that one.

The same Manza Young who blasted him for not playing for her favorite team was the source for the out of shape rumor.

No axe to grind there.

Funny that he showed up in shape enough on Sept 4th to have a Pro Bowl season?

Yeah, I'll take Waters over a home-town reporter with an axe to grind.

 

[cowboys1985]

Dallas probably offered $2 mil, Waters probably wanted $3 mil or more, I think he signs between $2.5-3 mil while not having to show up in camp.

 

[Aven8]

I say even it's 3 million on a one year, last ditch effort by him, to play in his hometown, and possibly win a SB, what's the big deal?

Yes it's a 3 million dollar gamble, but what else, if only a one year deal? Lee is the top priority according to Jerry, so what's the risk? Everybody has already been paid and in actuality we could pay him 5 million.

We've paid far more for bums. Livings, Berd, the dude from GB with Parcells that got hurt immediately, the bum Barron that single handily cost us the skins game. Pay the dude before somebody like Denver, or Seattle, or even NE pay this man!

 

[Galian Beast]

Patriots offered him 4 million last year and he did not play.

My guess is he wants a minimum 3-3.5 million this year.

Cowboys probably are closer to 2.5 million.

 

[Nightman]

Why not do a 2 year deal with 2m upfront, vet min salary and 1.5m in incentives for games started and a 3m base for next year, non guaranteed. Basically 2yrs/7m.

 

[JBS]

I say even it's 3 million on a one year, last ditch effort by him, to play in his hometown, and possibly win a SB, what's the big deal?

Yes it's a 3 million dollar gamble, but what else, if only a one year deal? Lee is the top priority according to Jerry, so what's the risk? Everybody has already been paid and in actuality we could pay him 5 million.

We've paid far more for bums. Livings, Berd, the dude from GB with Parcells that got hurt immediately, the bum Barron that single handily cost us the skins game. Pay the dude before somebody like Denver, or Seattle, or even NE pay this man!

The big deal is the money we don't spend this year carries over to next year...and next year we have multiple players up for BIG deals

 

[Galian Beast]

Why not do a 2 year deal with 2m upfront, vet min salary and 1.5m in incentives for games started and a 3m base for next year, non guaranteed. Basically 2yrs/7m.

You think you can count on him playing next year? He'll want that money up front.

 

[dstovall5]

If it's true that we offered Waters first over Moore, then I think we will end up over paying for Waters, because he has some leverage over us now (some what). We thought we had Moore in our back pocket to sign when we walked away from Waters the first time, but now that's not true since Moore "retired". Waters may not get the 5 million he wanted initially, but Dallas will definitely be paying more then there first offer. Especially since Waters know that he's the only servicable guard out there with Moore retired.

I'll say Waters will get a 1 year 3 - 3.5 million deal. I think it's worth it though, even if we end up paying a little more then we'd like. Get it done Jerry!

 

[Nightman]

You think you can count on him playing next year? He'll want that money up front.

No, the second year is to lessen the cap hit and retain his rights if it works out and he wants to play again next year. If he is a bust this year, it only counts as 1.7+m against the cap, but if he works out, he can make up to 4+m for 2013.

 

[Deep_South]

Spags sez:

"And I’m also told they are convinced this dalliance with veteran guard Brian Waters is about done; that his reticence to play football after sitting out 18 months has them moving on and away."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...n-O-Line/c4cf1cc3-dde1-45fe-b888-090add025933

 

[burmafrd]

Spags sez:

"And I’m also told they are convinced this dalliance with veteran guard Brian Waters is about done; that his reticence to play football after sitting out 18 months has them moving on and away."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...n-O-Line/c4cf1cc3-dde1-45fe-b888-090add025933

Mickey is the biggest shill ever; but probably does have good info on this. THEN again the Boys might be using him to put pressure on Waters by making him think the boys are ready to walk away.